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Offline swordfish

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I read this off another forum post and loved it. I thought you all would like this read. This should put the breaks on the over inflated gun prices, also powder and primers should start becoming more available again. Wouldn't that be nice!

By JIM ABRAMS Associated Press Writer
Mar 3rd, 2009 | WASHINGTON -- The National Rifle Association warned in a campaign ad that if Barack Obama were elected president he would try to take away hunters' guns and ammo. But with pro-gun Democrats a powerful force in Congress, it's already pretty clear there will be no messing with Americans' right to bear arms.
Twenty-two Democrats, including Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, joined Republicans last week in a Senate vote to negate the District of Columbia's tough gun registration requirements and overturn its ban on rapid-fire semiautomatic weapons. More than 80 House Democrats voted for a similar measure last year.

"It was a pleasant surprise, but it's not a huge surprise that elected officials are listening to their constituents," said Chris W. Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist.

It's not certain that the gun measure, attached to a bill on D.C. voting rights, will be a part of the final version of that bill. House plans to take up the voting rights bill this week were postponed Tuesday as Democratic leaders struggled over how to handle the gun issue.

But with six of 11 Democratic Senate freshmen -- from pro-gun states such as Alaska, Colorado, New Mexico and Virginia -- voting for the proposal last week, it was a clear sign of where Congress is heading on gun issues.

"There has been a shift in thinking among Democrats in the last six to eight years, away from old ideas about gun control and limiting access to guns and toward ideas about how you actually reduce gun crime," said Matt Bennett of Third Way, a group of moderate Democrats active on gun control issues.

That shift has been frustrating for lawmakers who have long decried the NRA's ability to block gun control legislation.

"We do not debate guns around here much anymore," said the Senate's no. 2 Democrat, Dick Durbin of Illinois, during debate on the D.C. gun amendment. "Basically, we reached a point where there are not many people who will stick their political necks out to vote for sensible gun control -- too big a hassle."

A case in point is new Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand, a steadfast gun rights advocate when she represented a pro-gun, Republican-leaning district in upstate New York. Her appointment to succeed Hillary Clinton as New York's junior senator drew protests from gun-control Democrats, but after she voted against the D.C. gun amendment Republicans accused her of abandoning her principles for political expediency.

Gillibrand's spokesman, Matt Canter, said the senator supports Second Amendment rights. But she also believes that local governments have the right to put legitimate limits on firearms and that law enforcement must have the tools to protect the public from gun violence, he said.

A major turning point came last June, when the Supreme Court, in a 5-4 vote overturning D.C.'s ban on handgun possession, confirmed that the Second Amendment gives private citizens the right to bear arms.

Gun control advocates were consoled that the decision also specifies that gun rights are not open-ended, that government can impose some restrictions in the public interest.

With the court ruling, the argument that gun control will lead to gun bans no longer applies, said Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "The slippery slope doesn't go anywhere anymore, and I think people realize that."

For the time being, any gun-related legislation will be incremental. Helmke's group is urging the Obama administration to overturn a rule imposed in the last days of the Bush administration allowing people to carry concealed, loaded weapons in most national parks.

There will also be a push to repeal the so-called Tiahrt amendment, named after Rep. Todd Tiahrt, R-Kan., that limits the authority of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to disclose gun-trace data to the public and requires that certain records submitted to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System be destroyed after 24 hours.

Both the Third Way's Bennett and Helmke said it may take another major gun crime, like the shootings at Columbine High School or Virginia Tech, to get Congress to act on more ambitious gun control initiatives.

Those include overturning a law enacted in 2005 that denies gun crime victims the right to sue firearms manufacturers and dealers for damages.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said she plans to push legislation to reinstate a federal ban on some assault weapons that became law during the Clinton administration in 1994 but expired under the Bush administration in 2004. Another long-term goal is requiring that all gun shows conduct background checks before selling firearms.

The NRA's Cox said his group is gearing up to fight a new assault weapons ban, noting that Obama supports one and that Attorney General Eric Holder recently linked the proliferation of military-style weapons to the violence along the Mexican border. "It's laughable if it wasn't so serious to suggest that diminishing the Second Amendment will positively impact the situation down in Mexico," Cox said.

But he said the NRA is also prepared to work with Democrats, as it did in 2007 in the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings, to pass legislation making it easier to flag prospective gun buyers with a history of mental problems.

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Swordfish,
I remember when the DC gun issue went to the supreme court back a year - year and a half ago, and they shot it down also (pardon the pun). I am hopeful (but not optimistic) that the trend will continue as was the writer of the article. Chief Justice John Roberts had some very stern words in his decision that put a smile on my face. Yes very good news indeed.
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Maybe just maybe things will not be as bad as we have feared. Oh on the ammo and primer thing. I was at Walmart yesterday and they had thousands of primers in stock. If your local Walmart sells reloading stuff I would check there. Also there was now shortage on ammo there either. Dale
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Hopefully this will get the prices to start dropping soon.  The components to reload are getting so expensive to the point where I mostly just shoot my 22LR.  

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  • I feel much better now knowing it will get worse.
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Your 2nd protects the right to keep and bear, now does that include the purchase and possesion of ammo or the components? :o
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Smoke and mirrors only. Even as they lead you to believe nothing major is afoot they are slowing working on legislation to completely end gun ownership here in the US. The one thing you can depend on is that when a politician opens their mouth a lie is about to come out of it. The NRA is not far behind them in that and long term is more complicit than helpful.


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same tatics the guys from the middle east use , lull ya into letting your guard down then wham !
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Hey
I agree with GB Dont trust any of them! hang on to uour guns and prepair for action with the next columbine.

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We here in N.Y. were very disapointed with Mrs. Gillibrand's latest vote,I was thinking of voting for her in the coming election even if I rarely vote democrat,but now have to see who else is runing
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All  I can say is.........  " Watch your selves boys , We've been ratted out out here ."    .....Never trust a politian, especialy one who promises you something, they are doing something behind your back.
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  I too, living in NY state am disappointed with Gillibrand's vote..and was ready to watch her toward the next election. Just goes to show you..a politician is a politician first, and an honest human being somewhere down the line..
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We here in N.Y. were very disappointed with Mrs. Gillibrand's latest vote...

I too, living in NY state am disappointed with Gillibrand's vote...

Please, would either of you New Yorkers care to elaborate on what issue Mrs. Gillibrand's vote so disappointed you? I too was hoping she would turn out well for you folks in New York.
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I warned you NY guys about that gal the day she was appointed to the Senate seat. Most wouldn't believe me then. I reckon some do now.


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Wait just a minute, before you condemn Gillibrand. This is the first I heard of that vote, but as I read the introductory post it said that she was trying to shift the decision to local governments. I firmly believe in a small federal government and shifting responsibility to the states and local governments as some of the original constitution writers did. Seems many folks seem to want it both ways. Which is it? I have no problem with Gillibrand's stance.
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If left to the states,lets say Montana thinks the "assult weapons ban" is unconstitutional does that mean they are exempt from it? How about DC just ignore the Bill Of Rights and do what they want?I think if more was left to the states alot of people would not be able to vote at all. 
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Ahhhhh Yes! A breath of fresh air. Everything is going to be alright now, the NRA has spoken. ::)
If any of you guys seriously believe this crap, perhaps you need to READ HOUSE BILL hr45. ::)
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Make no mistake they are out to take your guns and the rights that go with them anyway they can.

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 How is McCain related to hr45 ?  Was he a co-sponsor or something ?
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just  remamber  the assault rifle ban  from klinton/DEMOCRAT

he looked us in the eye  and said  '' i did not have sex with that woman''

he could have sait ''it's  none of your business''

but  he chose to lie

because he is a DEMOCRAT

STOP ALL DEMOCRATS
they  lie  worse than republicans
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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There will be no messing with Americans' right to bear arms

I would rather you pee down my back and tell me its raining!

This new administration has more gun banning and gun control up its sleeve!

That you can put in your 401 K, theres probably some room there now!
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#1:  do not ever believe the democraps will ever want to leave your gun rights alone.  Their goal is total disarmament and economic slavery. 

#2:  HR45 is a mother_____.  One reason the dems are keeping a low profile on the most vocal issues is to give the impression gun rights/gun control is not one of their agenda items.  This could not be farther from the truth.  See #1 above.

#3:  Gillibrand - she voted against the dc amendment to keep local control out of the hands of the federal government.  You do not want the federal government to be able to enact or enforce local law, period.  This takes all the soverignty away from states and local control away from cities and townships - you really do not want the federal government to be able to control every aspect of the rights the individual states allow.

#4:  If a state chooses to ignore, or refuses to implement the awb, it may be able to do so but the feds will find a way to put pressure on those states that do not comply - for example - federal highway funds were not available to those states that refused to enact a 55mph speed law on the federal roadways that ran through the state.  They might be able to have the same effect by curbing law enforcement training funds or assistance funds to those states that refuse to enact the awb, and then the local polcie cheifs association will put public pressure on the state gov't to do something to obtain more $. 

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All true Mikey
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people need to brush up on GOVT. speak
like if they can start off wanted a 5% tax increase and settle for 4% then they feel they saved us 1% on taxes . Seems the 4% goes un-noticed . So if they don't take all guns then to them they haven't messed with them . see how easy it is to understand ? as long as they leave a few crumbs we should follow like sheep !
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  just like the n ew gov of NY..starts talking about a big tax on non-diet drinks..people get all wrapped up in that..and don't notice all the other taxes he's slipping in the back door.
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Like eliminating the STAR tax rebate, which is what Paterson is after. Oh it's not a "new" tax. It's just eliminating a tax rebate. Hmmmmm ::)
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  Some here have said.."the Democrats won't try to infringe upon our gun rights."..or similar statements..

  Won't they ?   http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92095

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Any of you guys ever hear of "disinformation"? It is a concerted effort to get us to drop our guard and be sucker punched. Keep your eyes, and ears, open!
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write,call or speak to your local state rep. as often as you can and let your voice be heard! if you let your guard down they think you are ok with what is today and  take all and tax all they can tomorrow. not speaking up is as bad as giving the guns away.and i aint kidding neither.
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We here in N.Y. were very disappointed with Mrs. Gillibrand's latest vote...

I too, living in NY state am disappointed with Gillibrand's vote...

Please, would either of you New Yorkers care to elaborate on what issue Mrs. Gillibrand's vote so disappointed you? I too was hoping she would turn out well for you folks in New York.

Concerning the vote, it is what it is. Concerning her overall stance, once she got into the Federal Gov. arena, her
2nd Amendment stance took a little reversal, she said herself in a quote I heard a couple of weeks ago that she would be taking another look at gun issues.

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As with all in Washington,anything to get re-elected,and go where ever the wind blows.
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