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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2009, 07:28:46 AM »
Makes me wonder if I'm man enough to pull the recoil pad off my 22 Hornet. ::)   Nah, don't need the pain ;D,.  Hey Pete, if we were closer to Jawja we could sell tickets to watch the show, might make enough to help Richard with the Dr bill. ;D ;)  DP
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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2009, 08:14:35 AM »
Well richard this puts You in a very exclusive club. You are the lucky one. Those rounds are so impressive words or pictures do not convey the size of the beast. My hat is off to ya.
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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2009, 06:29:52 PM »
GeorgiaDave:

If you are in awl at 500 grainers @2150 then I guess it is safe to say that you have not seen Tykempster's home video of him shooting his (what was it tyke) 750? grainers!

Don't remember what post it was in or how long ago but maybe someone here will remember.


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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2009, 07:48:58 PM »
Here's a thread with previous links on the 45-120 including Tyler's info and videos.

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2009, 01:32:11 AM »
OK Richard.  Waiting on video.  I can send you my brother's digital cam.  He won't even know its missing if I don't tell him..  If the concussion destroys it..oh well it didn't cost us nuthin'. 

You could raise money by offering to let folks at the range shoot a gen u wine buffler gun, and sell those videos to "America's Funniest".   You could sell the clips to one of the gun magazines or outdoor shows.....all kinda' possibles here.

Personally I had enough when I shot those buffalo bores out of my '70. I'll just enjoy reading about your experiences.

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2009, 05:48:54 AM »
Oops, maybe I got the last one, sorry.  :-[  I kin send it to ya, then you send me one when you get the other one.

Thanks for the offer Tim,  ;D  but then you won't have one and there is no telling when there will be more in stock.  I'll just play with the Lee until T of the W gets more or I find one someplace else.   OH, Thanks for the pic!  It looks like it does a great job!  What's you opinion?   ???

I would like to take this opportunity to encourage you to begin working up toward a MAX load for the heaviest bullet you have. ... "don't stop till you reach the top.

Is u tryin to set me up boy?   ;) ;D  Not to worry, I'ma gonna do just that, but very slowly!   ::)  First finish finding my 405 gr. Hunting load, maybe play with some of those 350 gr. bullets I got.   :-\  I think I'll order some cast 500 gr'ers to work with when I order my 44 Mag bullets... just to help with shipping don't ya know...  ;D

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500 gr. @ 2150 ?

Well Dave, I'm the new kid on the block with the 45-120.  I just talk more then the others!   ::)  I can think of maybe 5 others off hand,  ???  I won't name them because it's fairly obvious who they are and if I forget one or two they would be justifiably insulted.   They've done all the ground work and have shot beau coup rounds to my 6!  Good idea for a new thread though.  I'd like to know for sure who they all are and their experiences.

All I needed to know was that the 500 (480) gr. bullet at 2150 is .450 NE territory!   ;D

500 gr at 2200 should be easy enough...but you're NOT gonna like like it...

Hey NFG!!! Seems to me I was just talking to somebody about you...  :-\  ;) 

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I was thinking the same thing.  But actually using the Gunstock Inc. Monte Carlo stock.  That thing has plenty of wood to spare!  I still may go that route, but for now I'm going to 'speriment with the pallet wood Monte Carlo stock I took off my 7x57!  It came with a recoil pad...  ::)


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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2009, 06:26:47 AM »
Thanks for the offer Tim,  ;D  but then you won't have one and there is no telling when there will be more in stock.  I'll just play with the Lee until T of the W gets more or I find one someplace else.   OH, Thanks for the pic!  It looks like it does a great job!  What's you opinion?   ???

The only other source that may have it is Lyman, everyone else is out of stock. Will have to wait until I can shoot some to see how they work, AA's data is real specific that a firm crimp be used, but that's for their low density loads, shooting higher density loads isn't likely a problem. 

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2009, 11:26:00 AM »
I know it's a touchy subject, but I don't suggest "working up to max" as you would with a stronger action.  You won't see any pressure signs so definitely stop where Quickload says pressure hits xxx amount of pressure.



HOWEVER, when/if I ever get some money or some kind soul donates me a Ruger #1 ( ::)) I will take the 45-120 to a new level since pressure will depend more on the brass than the action.

720 grainers at 2000 fps anyone?

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2009, 11:36:03 AM »
Just got done reminiscing over old PM's with Quick...

720 grain bullets at 2000 fps is done at 55k pressures, easily done for a Ruger #1


Does anyone know if you can swage jacketed bullets down in diameter?  Maybe a special die to turn the 750 grain Amax into a .458 bullet with a 1.5 BC?

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2009, 11:47:13 AM »
INTRODUCING-A COMBINATION OF IMPRACTICALITY AND FRIVOLITY


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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2009, 02:18:36 PM »
Does anyone know if you can swage jacketed bullets down in diameter?  Maybe a special die to turn the 750 grain Amax into a .458 bullet with a 1.5 BC?

There's a thread in the Bullet Swaging forum on that subject, one of the concerns is copper and lead don't react the same to compression and the results may be a loose core which will destroy accuracy. I've read other threads on it, some resize down to .005" smaller for hunting bullets and get by, it probably depends on the bullet and how much you resize it. I've contemplated resizing .416" jacketed bullets to use in the .405 Winchester using a Lee sizing die, but have never bought the bullets or the die to try it.

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2009, 03:06:29 PM »
INTRODUCING-A COMBINATION OF IMPRACTICALITY AND FRIVOLITY



That is what I'm dreaming about.   Or .416 Barrett anybody.  I like what you've done there TY. 
Anybody making a solid for the 50BMG.  Could maybe turn some down on a lathe then.... ::)

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2009, 03:25:49 PM »
Now you did it!

Just wait till AtlLaw see's that!

Are those armor piercing by chance?
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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2009, 04:54:48 PM »
750 grain Amax...not armor piercing if they act like their little cousins.

You could turn down the Barnes!  Let me photoshop one...

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2009, 04:56:29 PM »
Yeah AtlLaw...someone is ALWAYS talking about me, at me or just plain over me...LOL...

The thumbhole allows you to get a solid, natural grip...helps absorb some of the slap...you need to open up the hole some depending on the way the stock is made so you can get your thumb through enough to get a good lock.  A nice heavy hand filling shaped forend you can grip tightly is also a must have.

As far a swaging goes you can get away with a small amount DEPENDING on the construction of the bullet...Partition type or those with a heavy base section are NOT good candidates...simple cup and core can get away with quite a bit, basically you are doing the same thing the factory does.

There are a few people doing CNC bullet out of brass...you have to do a search online...Lehight Bulletts...http://www.lehighbullets.com/index.html is one...RobGunbuilder on Accurate Reloading-Big Bore-12GaFH might...Any CNC machine shop can make them if you supply a drawing...and there are some already available bullets in the 50 cal range to get anyones juices flowing.  I found a CNC shop about 50 miles away that will do a run for about $75 for the G-Code plus machine time and materials...the more in the run the less per bullet...most CNC brass bullets will run $1-3 bucks apiece out of brass so money talks and BS walks so to speak.  ::)  Anyone with autocad drawing program can design the bullet, save it to a .dwg file and that can be  run on a CNC machine.

The components and loading dies are way on the pricey side so think about it from the reality side...the 500 Whisper on a trimmed down 460 Weatherby case is already on the books and was designed as a troup harrassing round, lobbing them in from 1500 yds out...and there is a 500 "something" using a trimmed WSM case that might be a bit easier to work with, both will work in the NEF with a few mods because they are low pressure, low velo rounds...the 50-140 would be an obvious excellent cartridge choice for a rechambered 500 S&W NEF, but anytime you start dealing with 700-1500 gr bullets the recoil goes up so fast most people just want to watch...and requires a specially designed and built rifle to get the weight up plus a LARGE muzzle brake...the 12GaFH uses a 3.5" shotshell or a 3.85" blown out 50 BMG case, special reamer for rechambering so from the standpoint of bigger and badder, it is a basically a .73 caliber rifle.  Using bullets designed for hi BC (and high BS  ;D) even at 1200-1500 fs the results are beyond description.

Military 50 BMG bullets have a nice high BC depending on the type from about .700 up and are usually available...the Hornady A-Max has a BC of 1.050.

As soon as I get the brake finished for my 12GA USH I will get a picture of it with the unfinished thumbhole stock.  Maybe it will get someone to start breathing heavy.... :o ::) ;D...I'm also designing some hi-BC bullets to turn out on my lathe.

Lets see here... pie are square...the .458 bore area is .1647" and .73 bore area is .4185"...that means the 12GaFH is over 2 and a half times bigger in bore area... and case capacity for the 45-120 is what, 115 to 125 gr?  The 12GaFH is almost 3 times that...definitly not for the faint of heart.... ??? :o 8)  The 12GaFH is REALLY Ballistic Domination....LOL

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2009, 05:06:44 PM »


My fired 45-120 case capacity is 132g H20

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2009, 05:58:22 PM »
 I'm gonna hafta seriously think about getting me one of these 45-120 things.

 Okay, I'm done thinking about it.

 Bubye, y'all take care now....

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2009, 12:36:48 AM »
That is one wicked looking needle! ;D


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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2009, 12:55:58 AM »
 :o :o :o HAS TO BE A TRIP THERE, I GOT THE NAME OF A GOOD SHOULDER REPAIR MAN  HES GETTIN READY TO FIX MINE SOON???

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2009, 02:30:01 AM »
What is the length of the Bore Riders?  I need an optimum twist barrel...

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« Reply #50 on: March 09, 2009, 03:17:03 AM »
I remember a time when I said, "I'll shoot anything once."  Now that I have a shoulder issue (wouldn't ya' know it'd be the RIGHT shoulder) that I can't seem to get cleared up I'm sort of goin' back on my word.  I'd shoot that thing IF the barrel was made from a truck axle and just as heavy.  Maybe a solid iron buttstock too.  I'm glad y'all have fun with them things.  It's funny, every time I read about those mue-kick guns my shoulder aches and I haven't shot anything in WEEKS.

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« Reply #51 on: March 09, 2009, 06:56:12 AM »
Ho, man, Ty...you must have LONG cases....how long??...you're 20 gr h2o over anything I have and can find data on, for the 45-120 x 3.5" cases.  Nice to have the extra capacity.

You can basically design a .458 cal bullet from about 2.50" to 3" something depending on how deep you plan to seat, where you start the taper and what weight you want.  The main problem is keeping the CG so the bullet doesn't swap ends or become unstable and tumble...but that is what all this fussing around is all about...isn't it...experimentation.

Luck on your quest.

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2009, 07:25:18 AM »
Now that I have a shoulder issue

Bummer NGH!   :(  Hope you and your shoulder get better soon!   :)
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« Reply #53 on: March 09, 2009, 05:07:30 PM »
NFG, just standard Norma 45-120 cases...my 300 Weatherby holds 102g H20, it seems a bit higher than average too. 

I measure a fired case, then fill it with water and weight it...my results with other calibers seem really close to correct though.

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #54 on: April 01, 2009, 07:16:01 PM »
Ty...It's nice to know your case volumes and have the volume to play with...I like your BOOLITS...gotta see if I can make a few...maybe make a jig and turn down some milsurp 50 cal. :o ::)   Did you have to throat your 45-120 to get the 720 bullets to seat out farther???

I just ordered my 45-120 reamer so I now will have two projects going as the weather clears...my 12GaFH is well on it's way...thumbhole stock close to final sanding, the forend is on the truck on it's way...I finished the 12GaFH muzzle brake, now I have to make one for the 45-120...I have one of Harrall's brakes to try out but it doesn't have large enough holes to handle 100 gr of powder efficiently.  I'm hoping I can swap the 45-120 barrel onto the 12GaFH frame so I can use the thumbholes extra gripping surface when I start load workup with the RR 720 gr T-REX slugs. :o

AtlLaw...where you are, Hoss????  Been waiting for more of your trials and tribulations.

The Sharkgill MB...


The 12GaFH...


Another version of the 12GaFH...


Anyway...Luck on your porjects.

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #55 on: April 02, 2009, 06:38:39 AM »
I'm rite cheer!   ;D  It been rainin for days, we're in a drought here in Jawja dontchaknow... ::) , so I haven't bothered to go to the range.  'sides, I been to busy measuring runout in my 358 brass to load any.  ::)

I do got those 6 loads ready to recheck my velocity/loading technique though.   ;)

That 12ga FH hurts me just looking at it!  'minds me of a girl I used to date... big and mean lookin, but kinda purdy in a masochistic sorta way...  :-\  And, even knowin it was gonna hurt, ya just couldn't help yo'sef from tryin it on!   ;D
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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #56 on: April 02, 2009, 07:10:58 AM »
Yeah...that too and me too.... :o ::)  ;D

You'd think I would have more sense at my advanced age.  ??? :-[ 8)

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #57 on: April 02, 2009, 08:38:20 AM »
Hey all you guys shootin' those monsters, point your butts in this direction and when the Doc gets done with ya, we can sit and make some shims.

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #58 on: April 02, 2009, 03:34:22 PM »
NFG, actually my throat is really short.  I have a reamer extension, now I just need to get the throating reamer.  School has been SO hectic lately, haven't shot in over a month!  But I wanted to seat the bullets out long, so I just rubbed some steel wool on them to bring the diameter down a couple thousandths.  Took forever to do evenly to my eye, but worked so I could fire a few.

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Re: My 45-120 ROCKS!
« Reply #59 on: April 02, 2009, 04:00:48 PM »
Now that's a deer rifle ;) ;D ;D ;D

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