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3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« on: March 07, 2009, 06:44:39 AM »
What are your thoughts on this given whats been reported?
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2009, 07:01:50 AM »
i  think  only the militery  and  police should  own  boats  air craft  and guns


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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2009, 07:13:53 AM »
i  think  only the military  and  police should  own  boats  air craft  and guns

Yeah, and if the damn government would wake up and outlaw fishing and fishing poles, maybe stuff like this would not happen. To be safe (thank God the government cares about us and looks out for us), it would be better for all of us if the Gov. would ban the rest of that dangerous fishing gear. Who knows when some nut-case might go psycho with a daredevil or an artificial worm.
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2009, 07:32:54 AM »
i think people should listen when small craft warnings are posted
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2009, 08:07:48 AM »
The headlines were "2 NFL players lost at sea", not 3 fisherman. If they weren't NFL players it would't have even made the news, maybe the florida newspapers. It happened on mille lacs lake this fall, guy fishing alone, fell off his boat, the boat ended up on shore with the trolling motor still running, they never found his body. Can't wait to see the new laws that the liberals can make up now to prevent that from happening again! Common sense would be to put on a pfd in bad weather, it doesn't sound like they did that.

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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2009, 10:46:02 AM »
I have been in 6 foot seas off the coast of Mass. 15 miles out, jigging for cod, in a 21' boat. Cant imagine 14 footers.

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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2009, 11:06:14 AM »
NEVER anchor in heavy seas. keep power up and bow into the sea. another thought is get to shore when the storm warnings are up.
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2009, 11:53:27 AM »
When I learned of some of the details, like the boat was anchored, the size of the seas and how far shore they were, no beacon, I thought:

STUPID, STUPID, STUPID
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2009, 12:57:47 PM »
The gene pool needs to be cleansed of such folks from time to time.  ::)


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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2009, 01:51:05 PM »
Wonder what the bill is for a 3 day search by the Coast Guard?

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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2009, 02:02:07 PM »
i  prefer sail  to power boats

never go in a boat with out a watherproof  flashlight
whether  you plan on being  out at night or not

if  i invest in another boat
a distress beacon will be a must

for my inshore excursions  a cell phone or 2
waterproof flash light  and 357  always  go
oh  yea and........lifejacket.....even  though  i have body surfed duing a hurricane[can't do it all night]
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2009, 02:17:37 PM »
Yea one of those players played a couple games for the Steelers. They were stupid. I had a friend in Key Largo that had a 24' or 26' Mako boat with 2 big outboard motors on it. He told me the whole boat was filled with foam and could not be sunk even if it was cut in half. We went out 6 or 8 miles a couple times fishing. Never when the seas were rough though although a storm blew in one time and the seas got to be 6' to 8 foot. We could not get back in quick enough. In a small boat those kind of seas are scary. Dale
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2009, 02:29:37 PM »
i  have capsized [pitched poled  if you know what that means] an  18 foot catamaran  in 15 ft  seas
we righted  the boat  and sailed  on
we  were  all  tethered to the boat and wore vest designed to hook shacles too

why is this not common practice in bad weather

you  have no idea  how fast  those  boats  go in that kind of  wind
had  to quit sailing  the adrenalin rush  was becoming more life threatening
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2009, 02:43:05 PM »




we  were  all  tethered to the boat and wore vest designed to hook shacles too

why is this not common practice in bad weather






I think the white house should make that a law!

 Construction workers now are so restrained by safety restraints that it is amazing they can even get anything done. Common sense has gone so far out the window that we need people like nancy p. to tell us what to do. Like I said earlier, if they weren't NFL players, this wouldn't have even made the news.

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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2009, 02:53:26 PM »
i  build scaffolding for a living

and  am  always tethered  there

no  problem  i work by the hour
and so does my crew
i will send them  home  if they don't like the lanyard
i  little time is not woth a life 
not  sure about the law  just my rules

 but that  is work

boating  is your time  your choise
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2009, 02:57:33 PM »
Well I made my living on boats for  35 years. In the Gulf, on the Mississippi River, and in Hawaii.
And those guys going out there in that boat in that weather and anchoring out was not prudent.

An experienced skipper would not have been there, and had he been caught in that weather he would not have anchored. It goes to show that just cause you can afford a boat it don't mean you should be operating one. There are people that get paid to do that, and those guys could have afforded a guided trip!

When those guys went into the water they were on borrowed time due to hypothermia. Even in the gulf the water is still cold this time of year and you wont last very long in it. The guy that made it was out of the water on the hull of the boat, hanging on to the lower unit of the motor. Would be interested in hearing what he has to say about the other guys! They may have been in the water and just faded out due to hypothermia.

Sorry for the loss for those families but sometimes people seal their fate by foolish behavior.
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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2009, 02:26:08 AM »
The report i saw on TV said the other guys took off their vest and drifted off . Good call oldshooter
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2009, 10:33:59 AM »
Well, I don't know about cleansing the gene pool with this incident, and I am sure everyone here would have done it different MAYBE. But the fact is, their dead, and armchair quarterbacking three dead men, will not change anything.
I am willing to bet given MY OWN EXPERIENCE, that everyone here has done something REAL STUPID, and LUCKILY LIVED TO TELL ABOUT, OR MAYBE NOT TELL ABOUT IT, and the only difference between US, and those three, is their dead, and WE GOT AWAY with our stupid mistakeS. Ya Think?
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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2009, 10:41:54 AM »
I am willing to bet given MY OWN EXPERIENCE, that everyone here has done something REAL STUPID, and LUCKILY LIVED TO TELL ABOUT, OR MAYBE NOT TELL ABOUT IT, and the only difference between US, and those three, is their dead, and WE GOT AWAY with our stupid mistakeS. Ya Think?

I agree with that 100%. I know I'm pretty darn lucky to here after some of the down right stupid things I've done.
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2009, 10:42:23 AM »
yep
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2009, 10:57:49 AM »
These were 4 grown men all with plenty of money and an expensive boat. Some of these things are inexcusable for the circumstances. We are not talking about a boat that sank on a small fresh water lake. This boat was anchored in heavy seas which caused the boat to fail and they did not have an emergency beacon.

If you’re going to take a boat out into the open ocean you better know more than basic boating and have proper emergency provisions. Neither of these are true in this case from what we have been told. The fact that this was a single engine boat and it was anchored should tell you allot about this case.
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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2009, 11:00:49 AM »
alot of single engine boats fish offshore . But most have a good radio and beacon .
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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2009, 11:50:29 AM »
Professionally speaking,(I have held a Masters license since 1975), This was just some real bad decisions, just as Dee said, Unfortunately some of those guys paid with their lives for those bad decisions.


Sadly some folks feel that because they can afford to pay for a boat then they have the right/ability to operate it . That is like someone buying a plane and setting off to fly across the ocean.

Its not like buying a $40,000 car and taking off for a drive in the country

The open sea is not like a small inland lake or a river with no current, it can be unforgiving, there are circumstances that can come up out there that even experienced and licensed operators would have problems with.
The wind, tides, rough seas and  unexpected bad weather can make a fun day of offshore fishing become deadly. A brisk 20 knot wind can make the ocean untenable for a small craft, when standing on shore one might say its windy here but its sunny and not a cloud in the sky, and 2 miles offshore there are 10 ft seas and enough chop and confused sea to swamp the kind of craft those men were in.

My Father who served in the NAVY in the Pacific and as a Captain of a Survey vessel for a major oil company in the gulf of Mexico, would not go fishing with me in my 25 ft twin engine fishing boat. When I asked him why he said "Its too small to be out there, Not me". Now that is a stretch but it was the way he felt about the gulf after earning his living out there for 30 years.

I remember Dee saying something about being aware of your surroundings in another thread. It holds true at Sea.

 
 
 
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2009, 12:54:56 PM »
Well, I don't know about cleansing the gene pool with this incident, and I am sure everyone here would have done it different MAYBE. But the fact is, their dead, and armchair quarterbacking three dead men, will not change anything.
I am willing to bet given MY OWN EXPERIENCE, that everyone here has done something REAL STUPID, and LUCKILY LIVED TO TELL ABOUT, OR MAYBE NOT TELL ABOUT IT, and the only difference between US, and those three, is their dead, and WE GOT AWAY with our stupid mistakeS. Ya Think?


i  resemble  that remark

i  once built a kayak out of a drop cloth  and 1X1 rippings
first trip out paddle out sight  of land  in the atlantic
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2009, 02:39:11 PM »
If everyone here is so damned determined to degrade these dead men and proclaim their idiocy, then why not write their families and tell them, what damn fools their son's were, and that they deserve to be dead. This thread is somewhat self-righteously sickening.
Coulda-shoulda-woulda! They made a mistake and paid for it. Pick up a rock and throw it at them, but be very careful and don't hit that glass house you live in.
I will repeat this, as some here just don't seem to get it. What stupid act have you yourself survived by the grace of God, that you are not the one here being proclaimed a fool for your actions. Have we ran out of things to discuss to the point that we insult the dead?
Not one bit of mercy or compassion have I seen posted here on this incident. Only self-righteous judgement from folks whom were not there.
These guys weren't gang members, they weren't the Taliban, they weren't lawyers or bankers. They were sportsmen basically doing what we all like to do. They had a moment of bad judgement and paid for it. Now their fellow sportsmen are proclaiming them fools not fit to be in the gene pool simply because they had some notoriety, and played sports for a living. Sports that most of you probably watch.>:( ::)
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2009, 02:49:47 PM »
lets learn/get reminded  from  their mistakes  might save one  of  us so far  lucky guys


they  may have dropped anchor  when they capsized
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2009, 03:49:34 PM »
I really don't know the details of the story or where it happened. I did hear snippets about it. My first reaction was a flood of memories about how beautiful it is to sail on the ocean in a small boat, with high seas and a wind that makes a constant spray. I fondly recall many days aboard tiny vessels in big water. The important thing is that you need to know how to handle a boat. There are a lot of counterintuitive things about operating a boat that you need to be prepared for. It's amazing how big the seas can get before real trouble is imminent, unless you panic.  The Coast Guard sees the aftermath of a lot of sad stories.
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« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2009, 03:54:07 PM »
You know, on a small boat in deteriorating weather bad things can happen very quickly, even to very competent people.  The sea has fearsome strength that cannot be resisted or overpowered. It is all about using that power to your advantage.
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2009, 03:56:04 PM »
If we don't point out the stupidity of what they did, how will anyone learn?



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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2009, 04:31:01 PM »
cabin4, you sir, are judge mentally asinine and I from now own will treat you with the disrespect you so richly deserve. You are not worth knowing. You are not only disrespectful of the dead, and manner less, you are representative of the california attitude, that as a Southerner I so detest. You are forever on my ignore list. I doubt you will miss me, and surely will not miss you.
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