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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #150 on: March 19, 2009, 06:10:58 AM »
Cabin4-
Let it rest,
 If you had half a life, you would be outside doing something dangerous, not sitting at a computer, beating a dead horse!

The report said they were 62 nautical miles off shore in 21 foot boat with a single engine. The only life saving equipment they had were life jackets. They anchored the boat in heavy seas for a boat that size. Based on their inexperience, as noted per the Coast Guard, the 63 degree water temperature and the sea advisories at that time, they pre-signed their own death warrants before they left the dock.

Mirage, Do you have a desire to want to go fishing for amberjack? Not much equipment or experience is required.
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Reading through your posts on this thread shows your ignorance to offshore fishing. Your comments remind me of the SeaRay owners at a marina bar trying to pass on fishing tips that they over heard charter guys talking about, but only got half the info. You might know the average size of a horse turd but keep you uneducated ramblings of what offshore fishermen should do to your self. You are only spewing out bits and peaces, and lack the vision of the big picture and what is truly involved in being prepared as an offshore fisherman. You are so full of yourself you don’t see that you are looking like a dik to all true offshore fisherman. Stick to what you know, not what you have read about.
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #151 on: March 19, 2009, 06:37:26 AM »
Cabin4-
Let it rest,
 If you had half a life, you would be outside doing something dangerous, not sitting at a computer, beating a dead horse!

The report said they were 62 nautical miles off shore in 21 foot boat with a single engine. The only life saving equipment they had were life jackets. They anchored the boat in heavy seas for a boat that size. Based on their inexperience, as noted per the Coast Guard, the 63 degree water temperature and the sea advisories at that time, they pre-signed their own death warrants before they left the dock.

Mirage, Do you have a desire to want to go fishing for amberjack? Not much equipment or experience is required.
Cabin4
Reading through your posts on this thread shows your ignorance to offshore fishing. Your comments remind me of the SeaRay owners at a marina bar trying to pass on fishing tips that they over heard charter guys talking about, but only got half the info. You might know the average size of a horse turd but keep you uneducated ramblings of what offshore fishermen should do to your self. You are only spewing out bits and peaces, and lack the vision of the big picture and what is truly involved in being prepared as an offshore fisherman. You are so full of yourself you don’t see that you are looking like a dik to all true offshore fisherman. Stick to what you know, not what you have read about.
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Swordfish,

I noticed you did not offer any recommendations or specific critics of any of the recommendations I made. In addition, members here with Masters Licenses have validated my recommendations and suggestions in this thread. The data, straight from the Florida department of safety, that is tasked with investigating these incidents completely supports what I have written. You obviously are not reading everything or the links. All this points straight to your ignorance, not mine.

In your eyes, I may only know the size of the average horse turd, but that appears to be significantly more that you. Anyone who would conclude that what these 4 morons did, was nothing less than irresponsible, stupid, uneducated AND, AVOIDABLE, shows that you’re in the same boat as them.

Enjoy the ride with the other clowns.

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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #152 on: March 19, 2009, 06:48:03 AM »
 anybody gets on that black [to me]ocean,, better know it can take you any time ..in any number of ways..the same thing for doing 75 on an interstate with others all around you..it can happen anytime..
 haveing experienced a few mishaps an obviously here to tell about it.. i just know ..if its your time ,,its your time.. unless the big fella takes a hand in it..he has for some reason intervened for me a several  times..example.. my rifle ,,im taking it from a crazy kid i ran with who had grabbed it.. the barrel is pulled strait toward my face.. the nut pulls the trigger while im looking dn the barrel.. my squirrel gun was dependable..i don t know that i even knew it could misfire at that time..
 that day it didn t fire..i won t give anymore eamples ,,but im sure many of us have some real doosys. slim

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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #153 on: March 19, 2009, 08:20:20 AM »
Cabin,
     Unless I missed something, I don't disagree with any of your posts on this thread.  I guess you'd do to ride the river with...  Just call it like it is and let 'em fall where they may.


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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #154 on: March 19, 2009, 08:48:31 AM »
TM7,

I'm not misrepresenting anything you wrote. I'm simply quoting those areas I agree with.

But let's be real. Comparing what happened in Florida on that boat to riding a horse is rediculous.

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Not really ridiculous. You have held the boat accident victims as stupid, unprepared, under equipped, having no reason to be out, and genetically misbred, etc. An equally non-compassionate observer of equestrian mishaps, perhaps seeing one suffering a spinal chord injury, just might say the injured rider did not wear proper helmet and gear preferring fashion over safety, rode beyond their skill level on an untested steed, did not dismount over rough ground, shouldn't have been out on spooky stormy days, and had no basic equestrian training.

Analogies are funny things....like pots calling kettles black.

..TM7

TM7,

Wearing a helmet on a horse may protect you from a head injury but it's not going to do anything to protect you from a spinal cord, back, arm, leg, shoulder etc injury. These are the predominate injuries people have when thrown from horses.

I don't do jumps nor ride in competitive events and have no desire to. So comparing the use of a mountain horse in this environment to the events that led to Christopher Reeds spinal cord injury and how they came about is a poor comparison. Reed was riding in a competitive event and he HAD a helmet on! So, please let’s get the facts straight.

These are gentle, sure footed mountain horses that are specifically bread to this type of wilderness environment. We are not running them at any point or jumping.

In any case, comparing any of this to the 4 boaters, just seems way far of course. If horse riding safety is a good topic you want to dive into, maybe we can set up a topic on that.
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #155 on: March 19, 2009, 08:55:44 AM »
i  am not stupid  enough  to get on an animals back........periods

i  got brain damaged when i was  14 from a house tossing  me
now  i have  better since than  to but myself in that position again

any one  know  of  any  horse  hunts  available??
been  thinking of  killing one  of those wild ones  across  the river

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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #156 on: March 19, 2009, 09:01:08 AM »
i  am not stupid  enough  to get on an animals back........periods

i  got brain damaged when i was  14 from a house tossing  me
now  i have  better since than  to but myself in that position again

any one  know  of  any  horse  hunts  available??
been  thinking of  killing one  of those wild ones  across  the river



I'm not sure I got 100% of this but the parts I did get made me laugh. :) :)
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #157 on: March 19, 2009, 09:09:06 AM »
you  laughed  so  my  work  is  done

but  it is a true story
i  was  thrown and found  hours  later  lost  and not  knowing who i was
went  from  a  A/B  student  to barely passing....mostly  recovered in a few years
now  have almost  know short term memery   ...and kant spel

i  don't  like horses...it was my sisters  horse that threw me
but  i always wanted  to hunt  one
i  got  10 feet from  i wild  one a few years  ago
i  hoped  i would  have  to defend  myself  but he ran away
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #158 on: March 19, 2009, 12:17:38 PM »
Swordfish,

I noticed you did not offer any recommendations or specific critics of any of the recommendations I made. In addition, members here with Masters Licenses have validated my recommendations and suggestions in this thread. The data, straight from the Florida department of safety, that is tasked with investigating these incidents completely supports what I have written. You obviously are not reading everything or the links. All this points straight to your ignorance, not mine.

In your eyes, I may only know the size of the average horse turd, but that appears to be significantly more that you. Anyone who would conclude that what these 4 morons did, was nothing less than irresponsible, stupid, uneducated AND, AVOIDABLE, shows that you’re in the same boat as them.

Enjoy the ride with the other clowns.
I'd prefer to take a ride with these clowns than sail with you in your ship of fools.

Like I said stick to what you know, not just what you've read.
You have no actual experience in offshore fishing or what it takes. I don't even know why I'm giving you the time of day, but your ignorance offends me as a fisherman and Capt. The only ones on the water, that carry all the safety gear you are spewing from your readings, are the Coast Guard vessels, and that's only because they can afford it with our tax dollars. The rest of us get the safety equipment the law requires, and as much of whatever as we can afford.
Every time we leave the inlet it's a risk. Every time we get in a car it's a risk. Both could end in a horrible death. Every time you get on your horse it's a risk. Yes, things could have been done differently, but they weren't, no need to get on your high horse and disrespect them. You are not doing any good with this.
If your point is safety, we get it. Move on.
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #159 on: March 19, 2009, 12:30:07 PM »
two truths -
in the moutians a mule is best !
on the open ocean size matters when talking boats ! and at some point none are big enough !
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #160 on: March 19, 2009, 01:38:22 PM »
Swordfish,

I noticed you did not offer any recommendations or specific critics of any of the recommendations I made. In addition, members here with Masters Licenses have validated my recommendations and suggestions in this thread. The data, straight from the Florida department of safety, that is tasked with investigating these incidents completely supports what I have written. You obviously are not reading everything or the links. All this points straight to your ignorance, not mine.

In your eyes, I may only know the size of the average horse turd, but that appears to be significantly more that you. Anyone who would conclude that what these 4 morons did, was nothing less than irresponsible, stupid, uneducated AND, AVOIDABLE, shows that you’re in the same boat as them.

Enjoy the ride with the other clowns.
I'd prefer to take a ride with these clowns than sail with you in your ship of fools.

Like I said stick to what you know, not just what you've read.
You have no actual experience in offshore fishing or what it takes. I don't even know why I'm giving you the time of day, but your ignorance offends me as a fisherman and Capt. The only ones on the water, that carry all the safety gear you are spewing from your readings, are the Coast Guard vessels, and that's only because they can afford it with our tax dollars. The rest of us get the safety equipment the law requires, and as much of whatever as we can afford.
Every time we leave the inlet it's a risk. Every time we get in a car it's a risk. Both could end in a horrible death. Every time you get on your horse it's a risk. Yes, things could have been done differently, but they weren't, no need to get on your high horse and disrespect them. You are not doing any good with this.
If your point is safety, we get it. Move on.


Swordfish,

How in the heck would you know if I have off shore experience or not? You don't know anything about me. So you’re up to speed: Fact, I was born and raised on the south shore of Long Island (that’s the side facing the Atlantic) in the town of Babylon. I grew up fishing on the bays & inlets between Fire Island  and Captree Boat Basin. I have been out on the Atlantic from there and Montauk Point  more times then you care to understand, fishing for fluke, flounder, blues, Porgies, cod, etc both with the boat that my family owned, commercial and on pay as you go recreational vessels.

I have worked crab traps on the inlets, bays & ocean from boat and shore and worked for a small privately owned fresh seafood distributor where I operated a one and at times a 2 man clam boat operation between Jones Beach out to the Bell Port area. I also worked for a short period out of Montauk on a small commercial boat shortly after high school. For a couple of summers I worked on an island marina just east of Captree Island servicing the small commercial fleet in that area and recreational boaters. So face it, you don’t know a damn thing about me and if you could read, you would see indications of this in an earlier post. So again, you’re not reading or checking the links.

For you to say that the only vessels that carry life saving equipment are Coast Guard ships shows that you have no earthly understanding of what responsible boaters do or the available life saving equipment . Viking is a well know company that makes life saving eqplement for boaters of all size including  the recreational market. Look it up for yourself, they have been around for over 50 years. Just because you don’t know a damn thing does not mean you should spread lies about the  gear that is available and is often purchased by responsible boaters. You know, those are the ones that take the time to make sure they don’t put themselves their family & passengers lives at unnecessary risk.

But look, here’s the only questions you should answer if you have any desire to actually tell the truth:

1.   Given the current conditions & forecasted conditions (sea & weather) would you have taken that 21 foot boat 62 miles off shore without the recommended safety gear?
2.   Given the fact that an automatic beacon would cost you $250 and a handheld radio for $300 would you buy them or not?
3.   Would you spend the money for the inflatable and other devises knowing that you may only survive for 60 minutes in the ocean using a life vest?

Do some simple analysis. You are 62 miles off shore with NO WAY to communicate to shore for assistance. You’re in the ocean in your life vest. Within 30 minutes hypothermia will set in. Are you going to tell us, that you’re not going to invest under $2000 to save your life, your family and the life of your passengers?? If you have 1 single point of failure, your all most likely dead. There’s no margin for error. In your case, for the sake of “you know it all” everyone’s dead! Congratulations to the all knowing Swordfish!

Your worse than the captain of the Titanic Swordfish.  At least he was under the strong impression that the Titanic could not/would not sink based on the information of the designers. Like I said Swordfish , you’re in the boat with the other reckless morons. People like you and some of your other friends here really make me ill. You’re so complelled to throw your worthless & unwarranted comments even when it means people lives are at stake. It’s people with your mindset that fornicate it all up for those of us that care to educate ourselves.

Who knows. Maybe it’s really all for the best. Smart people will take the time and take reasonable measures. Stupid people wont and they will die. It does help clean up the gene pool and for that I thank you.

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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #161 on: March 19, 2009, 01:58:19 PM »
Congratulations Cabin- you got the last word!
From now on, I, as probably a few others are not going to read any more threads that you start, as i said earlier, you start a hot topic and then roast anyone that doesn't agree with you.
 You accuse me of going off topic when I brought  up car or plane accidents when I was trying to explain that accidents are almost always a combination of factors. What did Christopher Reeve have to do with a fishing boat sinking?
If you open your ears before you open your mouth you might actually learn something from people here that have actual life experience, not just what they read on the internet!

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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #162 on: March 19, 2009, 02:07:43 PM »
. What did Christopher Reeve have to do with a fishing boat sinking?


Mirage,

Are you for real? Ask TM7, he's the one that brought up the people getting thrown from horses not ME. I was just responding to him.

I'm worried about you Mirage. Try Ginkgo Biloba. I think you may benefit from it.
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« Reply #163 on: March 19, 2009, 02:42:50 PM »
Cabinboy,
So you're the guy on the deck of the Coast Guard Auxiliary vessel boating up the ICW in Boca, the orange looks good on you.  You might fool some of these guys, but I've got you pegged, Wannabe Gilligan. You sir., are a passenger at best. Keep stroking yourself on-line and you'll get busted for Internet Porn.
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« Reply #164 on: March 19, 2009, 02:50:06 PM »
 bro you seem reasonably inteligent.. so i ll say it.. lets just move along..
 be best for all don t you think.. jmo slim

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« Reply #165 on: March 19, 2009, 03:01:36 PM »
Cabinboy,
So you're the guy on the deck of the Coast Guard Auxiliary vessel boating up the ICW in Boca, the orange looks good on you.  You might fool some of these guys, but I've got you pegged, Wannabe Gilligan. You sir., are a passenger at best. Keep stroking yourself on-line and you'll get busted for Internet Porn.


More of "nothing" from the Blowfish accept personal attacks. No facts, No refuting of facts, No recommendations, No refuting of my recommendations, No refuting facts & recommendations offered by others, No response to the Viking Product line, No response to questions, No response to the data posted by the state of Florida on boating deaths, No Nothing accept the easy name calling stuff. You’re a real hero Blowfish.

Sorry, but playing with a toy boat in your bath tub is not considered off shore experience.

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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #166 on: March 20, 2009, 02:36:23 AM »
Blowfish is one of those boys that has just enough sense to get hisownself and others hurt.
I know folks that reularly fish the rigs of the gulf in 18 ft flat bottom boats and have never had a problem. The only problem is that their chance of survival, when they do have a problem, is nil.
Common sense is not that common.
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« Reply #167 on: March 20, 2009, 03:40:25 AM »
like i said, one day life is gonna up and teach you a hard lesson.  you are creating some heavy bad karma. 

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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #168 on: March 20, 2009, 04:40:37 AM »

It amazes me the leagths that some people will go to proclaim & profess their ignorance, stupidity and irrsasponsaability. They think that because they have been on a boat and have not died yet or encountered a trajedy, theirs no need to take proper measures! Now, if anyone can figure out and make sence of that backwards logic, I’d like to hear it. That’s like saying, I don’t need homeowners insurance because my house has not burned down yet!

But besides all this, there is one thing that always took presedance with me when it came to the ocean. I always new it was completely unforgiving. When you take your boat out with passengers and or familiy, you are responsible for them. Could you imagine if that sole survivor on the boat in Florida had lost his own family instead of his 3 friends, as bad as that is.  That was my biggest fear,  not that I would die, it was that I would live and they would die. This is what motivated me to take all reasonable & available safty measures.

How can anyone justify this reckless behavior and for that sole survivor in Florida, life must be and should be misserable for him. Those deaths were avoidable and at minimum, they could have had some level of insurance and they had NONE. Try living with yourself after that.

As far Karma, Myronnman, I don’t run or make decisions about my life based on karma. That’s something you talk to palm readers and love match makers about. It’s not how you identify corrective actions for poor decisions that impact life & death. 


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« Reply #169 on: March 20, 2009, 05:09:24 AM »
as far as safety equipment on board did it meet coast guard regs ?
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« Reply #170 on: March 20, 2009, 05:13:01 AM »
you just keep looking down on and spitting on a deadman/men.   call it "advocating taking precautions" all you want.  i am not the only one here who is seeing you for what you are.  

 also, if you could keep on with the cheap shots and jabs, i would appreciate it as well.  it would be nice though if you could use a little wit, though.  but judging by your spelling, maybe i am asking too much.

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« Reply #171 on: March 20, 2009, 05:19:29 AM »
who you getting on ?

I ask about the eq because if they had what was reguired . then they may have felt safe if they were new to boats .
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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #172 on: March 20, 2009, 05:21:31 AM »
you just keep looking down on and spitting on a deadman/men.  

Isn’t that interesting, I think you’re the one spitting on the dead men. You ridicule things they could have done to prevent their deaths and what others should do in the future to prevent the same. To me that is the real spitting going on.

Like you said Myronnman, live and let live. Why take any action, there’s millions of thinkers like you out there and when the crape hits the fan for you some day, some will wonder what you could have done to prevent it and others will spit on you. So is life.

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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #173 on: March 20, 2009, 05:45:29 AM »
try and spin it any way you want, you have been seen for what you are.    i am out.

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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #174 on: March 20, 2009, 08:18:55 AM »
try and spin it any way you want, you have been seen for what you are.    i am out.

Myronnman,

I did not know they had wireless internet access over at Chit Chats. It's amazing what your able to type from a bar stool while drinking at the same time. Maybe I should try that some time. It might completly change my whole perspective on these things.

Gee, thanks for all the well though out insight. I think I'm going to go back and reread all your posts a few thousand times on this subject just to make sure I don't forget all the value, wisdom and substanace you provided. I'll also never be able to accuse you of not living up to your avatar. You can be proud.

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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #175 on: March 20, 2009, 12:37:41 PM »
Blowfish is one of those boys that has just enough sense to get hisownself and others hurt.
I know folks that reularly fish the rigs of the gulf in 18 ft flat bottom boats and have never had a problem. The only problem is that their chance of survival, when they do have a problem, is nil.
Common sense is not that common.
Blessings

I do not know Swordfish, so I will not coment on him. I do, however, regularly see the guys that you are talking about 20-50 miles out in the Gulf. They are a danger to all. There mindset is that if they get into trouble, someone will help them out. Yje reality is that if anyone is aware of there plight, they must help them, and becove responsible for them.

Before I go any further, I will qulify my statements by stating that I am a USCG licencessed Master. I captain a Vessel in the Northern Gulf of Mexico +/- 180 days a year. I am coming up on my fourth issuance on my Licences. I Carry up to six paying clients and regularly navigate up to 100 nm from shore. I carry an eperb, raft, 9 offshore-commercial life pfds, redundant sets of flares ect. My boat has Radar, GPS, an Icom 504 radio with a digital antena as well as a handheld waterproof radio in my dump bag. My dump bag contains redundant saftey items and is checked regularly.

I make my living by taking people fishing and I do not make a dime if I do not go fishing. I cancled my trips that weekend after checking the weather predictions on Friday. All other offshore captains working out of both Marina's in my area did the same. The weather forecast for Saturday were bad in our area, which is less than 1/2 a day's travel for weather from where the accident happened and it was predicted to be raised to a Gale warning by evening.. No Professional captain here runs a boat that is smaller than 26 feet and those are offshore catamarans that have exteremly tall freeboard and are extremly stable and self bailing. All of said boats have twin engines. No one thought that venturing offshore was a good or safe plan. All cancled and did not make a dime, rather than to put someone at risk.

I have been caught offshore in nasty weather, but I try not to depart in it. Many years ago, I and several of the other captains down here were caught in an unforecast low preasure system. The seas went from 4 foot to 14 foot in less than 1 hour. The wind blew due out of the north at over 65 knots the entire 5 hour ride home. The ride home was only 20 statute miles. 3 years ago, I and one of my coworkers were 30 miles from shore when we noticed a darkening sky to the north. We decided that it was time to head north. By the time that we got up and running, the seas had built from flat calm to 5 foot. in 20 minutes, they had built to 10 foot. We were doing fine but all were uncomfortable. About 20 minutes later, we heard an SOS from a small single engine vessel about 7 miles from us. They were sinking, no question about it. We both turned and ran to them with no other questions asked. When we got within 2 miles of where they were supposed to be, we called the Coast guard to confirm there coordinates. We continued on but a minute later another good Samaritan boat called us, a shrimp boat that was just about on the scene, and stated that he had all but one soul on board. We stood by. just in case, as he got the last soul on board and cut the one line that was keeping the bow of the sunk vessel above water. The boat dissapeared. We took our time and made it in to the dock just before dark. My clients paid me and disapeared. I have not seen them since. They were unhappy that they I had put there lives in danger to help the sinking boat. They were not truly in danger, but they surely felt every 10 footer and were very uncomfortable. That front was 18 hours early in arriving. Bad things can happen offshore even if you are perfectly prepaired, they will happen if you are not. Never forget, even an unsinkable boat will eventually sink if the conditions are bad enough.

I resisted getting involved in this thread because there was so much bickering that i didn't think that anyone was listening but after reading William Layton's post, I changed my mind. These guys made a mistake by going out there that day. They were illy prepared and lacking in preperation. There deaths were unfortunate, and I have said a prayer for them and there families. Had the Coast Guard been aware of there plight, they would have sent men out there to risk there own lives to try to save them. The coasties would have done so, but is it right to ask others to risk their life because you are unprepared and unaware of the weather heading your way? I dont think that it is fair to do so, but I sure am glad to know that they will come if you call them.

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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #176 on: March 20, 2009, 12:54:28 PM »

Myronnman,
I did not know they had wireless internet access over at Chit Chats. It's amazing what your able to type from a bar stool while drinking at the same time. Maybe I should try that some time. It might completly change my whole perspective on these things.


If Myronman wants to have a drink it's really nobody's business. For all any of us know he might not even touch the stuff. You're a petty person for making such a personal attack on someone because they are disagreeing with your viewpoint. Grow up and leave it alone. It seems the thread has just turned into a trash talking, name calling session. You made your point and some agree. Other's dont. That should be the end of it.


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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #177 on: March 20, 2009, 01:31:22 PM »
Blowfish is one of those boys that has just enough sense to get hisownself and others hurt.
I know folks that reularly fish the rigs of the gulf in 18 ft flat bottom boats and have never had a problem. The only problem is that their chance of survival, when they do have a problem, is nil.
Common sense is not that common.
Blessings

I do not know Swordfish, so I will not coment on him. I do, however, regularly see the guys that you are talking about 20-50 miles out in the Gulf. They are a danger to all. There mindset is that if they get into trouble, someone will help them out. Yje reality is that if anyone is aware of there plight, they must help them, and becove responsible for them.

Before I go any further, I will qulify my statements by stating that I am a USCG licencessed Master. I captain a Vessel in the Northern Gulf of Mexico +/- 180 days a year. I am coming up on my fourth issuance on my Licences. I Carry up to six paying clients and regularly navigate up to 100 nm from shore. I carry an eperb, raft, 9 offshore-commercial life pfds, redundant sets of flares ect. My boat has Radar, GPS, an Icom 504 radio with a digital antena as well as a handheld waterproof radio in my dump bag. My dump bag contains redundant saftey items and is checked regularly.

I make my living by taking people fishing and I do not make a dime if I do not go fishing. I cancled my trips that weekend after checking the weather predictions on Friday. All other offshore captains working out of both Marina's in my area did the same. The weather forecast for Saturday were bad in our area, which is less than 1/2 a day's travel for weather from where the accident happened and it was predicted to be raised to a Gale warning by evening.. No Professional captain here runs a boat that is smaller than 26 feet and those are offshore catamarans that have exteremly tall freeboard and are extremly stable and self bailing. All of said boats have twin engines. No one thought that venturing offshore was a good or safe plan. All cancled and did not make a dime, rather than to put someone at risk.

I have been caught offshore in nasty weather, but I try not to depart in it. Many years ago, I and several of the other captains down here were caught in an unforecast low preasure system. The seas went from 4 foot to 14 foot in less than 1 hour. The wind blew due out of the north at over 65 knots the entire 5 hour ride home. The ride home was only 20 statute miles. 3 years ago, I and one of my coworkers were 30 miles from shore when we noticed a darkening sky to the north. We decided that it was time to head north. By the time that we got up and running, the seas had built from flat calm to 5 foot. in 20 minutes, they had built to 10 foot. We were doing fine but all were uncomfortable. About 20 minutes later, we heard an SOS from a small single engine vessel about 7 miles from us. They were sinking, no question about it. We both turned and ran to them with no other questions asked. When we got within 2 miles of where they were supposed to be, we called the Coast guard to confirm there coordinates. We continued on but a minute later another good Samaritan boat called us, a shrimp boat that was just about on the scene, and stated that he had all but one soul on board. We stood by. just in case, as he got the last soul on board and cut the one line that was keeping the bow of the sunk vessel above water. The boat dissapeared. We took our time and made it in to the dock just before dark. My clients paid me and disapeared. I have not seen them since. They were unhappy that they I had put there lives in danger to help the sinking boat. They were not truly in danger, but they surely felt every 10 footer and were very uncomfortable. That front was 18 hours early in arriving. Bad things can happen offshore even if you are perfectly prepaired, they will happen if you are not. Never forget, even an unsinkable boat will eventually sink if the conditions are bad enough.

I resisted getting involved in this thread because there was so much bickering that i didn't think that anyone was listening but after reading William Layton's post, I changed my mind. These guys made a mistake by going out there that day. They were illy prepared and lacking in preperation. There deaths were unfortunate, and I have said a prayer for them and there families. Had the Coast Guard been aware of there plight, they would have sent men out there to risk there own lives to try to save them. The coasties would have done so, but is it right to ask others to risk their life because you are unprepared and unaware of the weather heading your way? I dont think that it is fair to do so, but I sure am glad to know that they will come if you call them.


Myronnman, Swordfish, Mirage, Skunk, Spanky and a few others out there. So much for the statements that no one carries life saving provisions on off shore boats!! So much for the rest of the trash you posted here and the complete and total lack of knowledge you all displayed. This does vindicate what I’ve been saying and my personal experience I wrote about. Even when I gave you guys facts linked to official state information, you still just ignore it and attack the messenger. A real sign of immaturity.

The amount of reckless boaters, especially off-shore is alarming. Just look at Swordfish.. he boasted here about not using any life saving gear!

The risk people take is unwarranted and these deaths are happening more then you know or understand. If you’re going to spend $20, $30, $40, $50,  grand on a boat and not spend less than $2k on stuff that can save your life & your passengers, yes that is irresponsible & stupid.

I have many family members that still live on Long Island. Many of them are very active in off-shore fishing there. They will tell you this issue is getting worse, not better. The amount of boaters that go off shore with only life jackets is alarming. One failure, and they are dead. The technology is available and affordable that can help improve your chances of survival significantly. How can any reasonable man argue with this is hard to comprehend. But, leave it to a few internet know it all neophytes to mess that up.

The only reason we know about this instance in Florida is the fact that a few of them were NFL players. These avoidable tragedies happen more then you understand with average folks. The press just rarely ever reports it and they usually only make the small local papers.

Your welcome to post your apologies to me here on this thread.



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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #178 on: March 20, 2009, 02:23:23 PM »
Apologize??

You really are an idiot.
You can take that for an apology if you want. ;)



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Re: 3 lost at sea off the coast of Florida, 1 survives..
« Reply #179 on: March 20, 2009, 02:28:47 PM »
Apologize??

You really are an idiot.
You can take that for an apology if you want. ;)



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All I can do is laugh at you Spanky.

Anyone can read what Tunaman and the other Liceneced Master wrote which confirms what I've been saying all along.

Your only fooling yourself.
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