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Re: ? for CCW holders... Do you carry at Church?
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2009, 06:54:29 PM »
Mikey
I think you took my statement incorrectly.
I did not mean I thought you should not defend yourself.
My thought is, that IF someone was intent on killing you he/she could find a way.
I don't think that a person can defend themselves completely if there is an honest, planned, premeditated attempt.
Sorry if I did not communicate that completely. :P :'( :-[

In the state of Texas a church is a gun free zone. Meaning, I suspose, that only those who are intent can have one.
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Re: ? for CCW holders... Do you carry at Church?
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2009, 01:10:03 AM »
william:  yor drivin' me nutz here.  I think that if someone were intent on killing you they would probably find a way to try but it certainly doesn't mean they would succeed, and since I haven't kicked it over and hung it up when that has been tried in the past, I'm not gonna do it now. 

Now this one is a killer:  "if there is an honest, planned, premeditated attempt".  William - an honest attempt at murder.  I luv ya bud bit I hain't never quite heard of that one before.  OK, what you are referring to here is a planned assasination attempt which is almost always successful unless the intended target knows he or she is an intended target.  If such is the case and the assasin knows his/her subject has gone 'hard' (aware of an attempt and capable of defending him/herself), most bets are ususally off as to whether an attempt is even made.  If the target has gone hard and the attempt is still considered then you could take Texas law into effect and shoot the sob to defend yourself with the defense "he needed killin'.

If you lived such a life that you became a assasin's target I sort of doubt we would be having this discussion.

School and church shooters would quickly look for other targets if they felt any of their 'victim audience' were prepared and able to defend themselves.  Don't forget these poor excuses for human beings are basically cowards who want such total control over their 'world' that a victim's resistance or effective defensive capability so totally squirrels their plans they are often lost.  Have you noticed that when police are finally called into one of these situations the 'fight' doesn't last long?  That's on accounta the cops shoot back.

Churches are gun free zones in Texas?  What the hay happened there, you get yourself some sort of neu yawk bloomberg for governor?  A gun free zone is only gun free to the law abiding targets - for criminals or those who know criminal behavior it should be considered a 'moving target zone'.  If churches are gun free zones then what happens if I defend myself in one?  This is curious - the Bible never said I should lay down like a lamb for the slaughter or that I should not go armed (by any means) to defend myself at prayer or in congregation or to not defend myself if attacked, so it must be OK with God to do that.  If this is a state law then where does the state get the authority to rule over the church?  If it's OK with God but not the governator then who's poo is really the weakest (hint: I wouldn't wanna be that governor).  And, if you have to use a gun to defend yourself or others in a church in Texas and prevent loss of innocent life in the process, do you really think someone is going to try and vilify you for it....oh yeah, who wants to start that fire.  2 cents worth here. 



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Re: ? for CCW holders... Do you carry at Church?
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2009, 03:32:52 AM »
If you doubt my words then read the incident that begins this thread, which is what my post referred too.
That preacher had not clue a he was a target and the plan worked.
Now I understand and agree with your premise.
I was taking a shot at the law, if you read correctly, when I posted about church being a gun free zone. Here, churches, schools, hospitals and courthouses are gun free zones.
Therefore only a person intent on a criminal action is allowed a weapon.
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Re: ? for CCW holders... Do you carry at Church?
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2009, 05:39:33 AM »
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Churches are gun free zones in Texas?  What the hay happened there, you get yourself some sort of neu yawk bloomberg for governor?  A gun free zone is only gun free to the law abiding targets - for criminals or those who know criminal behavior it should be considered a 'moving target zone'.

Precisely why sometimes you have to civilly disobey, Then when and if the SHTF you just take whatever medicine you have to take! May never happen, Great!!!! And if it Don't no one will ever know! But if it does then your not just standing there with your..............bible...... in your hand with indignation. MPO
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Re: ? for CCW holders... Do you carry at Church?
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2009, 07:42:57 AM »
We go to a fairly large church in a very high crime city. Several guys on staff are shooters and have their permits. A large number of church members also carry. Many do so, concealed, at church. I don't know who does or doesn't, but that's the point isn't it.

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Re: ? for CCW holders... Do you carry at Church?
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2009, 05:00:43 AM »
well if gun free zones work lets make all human bodies bullet free zones !
that should make gun control un needed right ?
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

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Re: ? for CCW holders... Do you carry at Church?
« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2009, 05:07:14 AM »
maybe  we  can  outlaw  cocain
to get rid of the drug problem
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
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« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2009, 05:58:52 AM »
Ya that seems to be working.
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« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2009, 11:11:37 PM »
Laws do nothing more than to give folks the proper paperwork too report.
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Re: ? for CCW holders... Do you carry at Church?
« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2009, 02:32:44 AM »
In Michigan, churches are a 'gun free zone' UNLESS you get permission from the church 'authorites' to carry.  Three of us went to the church board meeting and received permission with no problem.  Of course there was one who asked us why we felt it necessary to carry a gun.   This was shortly after a church shooting in Ill, so we just said, watch the news.  That took care of that.  Must have been a democrat.  44 Man
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Re: ? for CCW holders... Do you carry at Church?
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2009, 04:16:04 AM »
There is always that  "oh it couldn't happen here" mentality

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« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2009, 03:59:41 PM »
Yes. Concealed carry means concealed carry, I do not let anyone know. However, I do know of several other folks that carry at our church
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Re: ? for CCW holders... Do you carry at Church?
« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2009, 09:40:09 PM »
Guess thats part of the reason we're not communicating, Your's is a jacket and tie Church. There's no way I could hide a gun under the sweater I wear in the winter, let alone the short sleeved shirt in the summer

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Re: ? for CCW holders... Do you carry at Church?
« Reply #43 on: March 26, 2009, 04:32:17 PM »
my 357mag  rides in my pants pocket  all the time 
no one notices

get a smaller gun

i  don't  understand  these  BIG  guns  except for hunting or target  use

a  carry gun  should  be  sized  to............carry

if  you  don't   ''carry''  it..........what  is  its purpose??

no  one has  suggested  you carry  your skeet gun  to church
get  a carry gun


and  don't tell me  i can;t hit with a 2 inch  357 mag...........oh  yes and practice  so you don't hit the preacher
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: ? for CCW holders... Do you carry at Church?
« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2009, 04:33:35 PM »
Guess thats part of the reason we're not communicating, Your's is a jacket and tie Church. There's no way I could hide a gun under the sweater I wear in the winter, let alone the short sleeved shirt in the summer

With the right choice of gun(s) and holster(s) one could effectively carry concealed wearing a bathing suit and T-shirt.  ;)
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« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2009, 04:36:42 PM »
Guess thats part of the reason we're not communicating, Your's is a jacket and tie Church. There's no way I could hide a gun under the sweater I wear in the winter, let alone the short sleeved shirt in the summer

With the right choice of gun(s) and holster(s) one could effectively carry concealed wearing a bathing suit and T-shirt.  ;)

and i lve  in florida  and don't wear  a shirt sometimes

ever hear  of ''thunder wear''
inside the pants fannypack
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

many statements made here are fiction and are for entertainment purposes only and are in no way to be construed as a description of actual events.
no one is encouraged to do anything dangerous or break any laws.