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Offline Daveinthebush

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« on: September 02, 2003, 05:51:01 PM »
The season has started or is about to for most everyone in the state.  So what is the plan for this year in weaponery?

I just might switch this year to a TC, 14 .445 with 300 grain Speers.

Then the old standby is always ready, the 7600, 35 Whelen with 225 Noslers.
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2003, 05:35:04 AM »
I'll be hauling around my .450 Marlin (1895M) again this year.  Probably just grab the factory Hornady 350's since I shot up all my reloads for fun.  Since I got the .450 the .338WM just sits in the rack moaning!

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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2003, 01:11:12 PM »
Custom VZ-24 mauser chambered in 350 Rigby, 250 gr hornady rn @ 2700 fps, or my 480 Ruger SRH w/ 400 gr cast @ 1200 fps.

I already spent last week in the field with no success, and am planning to head out this weekend.  That might be it for me this season as a business trip looks like it will take up the remainder of the month  :(

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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2003, 03:09:12 PM »
The usual: Model 70 338 Win. Mag. and my Model 70 375 H&H.

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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2003, 07:36:01 PM »
I used my standard 300 win mag and 180 grain bullets at aobut 2900fps.  I shot 4 at him. 1 or 2 win failsafes, 1 Speer hot core flat base and either one more Speer or maybe a Rem 180 pointed corelokt.  Accidentally ended up on the river with a box of practice loads instead of my customary Nosler 180 partition hunting loads.

I'm mostly a caribou hunter and this is only 3rd moose I've shot but I'm doing some rethinking.  In the jungle-like river bottoms of Bristol Bay, I'm thinking the guys with .338 and fatter bullets might be onto a better thing.  This thick stuff poses a real risk of losing an animal very easily.  My first shot with the failsafe was very  poor (top 5 inches of shoulder blades) and bullwinkle (43") took off full speed into the water where he fell down, got up then headed downstream belly deep and full tilt. Second shot was aimed between shoulder blades but went lower (thank goodness) entered rear ribs clipped paunch then took out left lung. At the shot I could see water fly off his back. Bullwinkle was confused but didn't go down! He turned around, ran back toward me then out of the water on my side of slough. By this time I pump 2 more shots fast as possible mostly missing- well put a hole through the brisket but nothing fatal.  Bullwinkle disappears into the grass along with the daylight. I figure I'm in a mess with a badly wounded animal lost in a head high grass and alder jungle.  But luckily I find him nicely laid out on the  clean grassy slough bank - whew.  

Now, I should have taken more care with the first shot even though he was moving some, but the second shot was a very hard hit and bullwinkle kept on trucking for a good 10 to 15 seconds or more.  If he hadn't been in deep water he may have run a long way and out of view to shoot. The other moose I shot with this rifle (1991) was well hit with a Nosler 180 partition and he took a good 20-30 seconds (seemed like a minute) before he tipped over -and after running into the middle of a small river.  

So, a .338-06, .338 mag, .375 H&H; or my former boss'  35 Whelen with 250 Speers seem like wiser choices to me now.  Don't needs lots of speed but bigger diameter may help- along with the crucial shot placement.  The Whelen had 5 shots and each carried more lead and wider frontal area. Long range capability isn't called for but a carefully placed anchoring shot IS Mandatory.  Also, I better understand the local practice of trying to get 2 shots into an animal as fast as possible - they can disappear in an instant and again, a quick anchor is needed.

I'll go to the range to check my zero but I suspect I just need to go to the range more often to manage trigger control and sight picture from kneeling and standing postions.  And, I feel a tug toward a rifle with a bigger hole in the barrel - maybe get this one rebarreled.   Maybe I should spend more time with my old 348 but I do like scopes for the optical help.   Yeah, well placed  270, 280, 7mm,30-06 still will do the work but I'm beginning to see the appeal of the bigger bores. Hope this helps others.
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2003, 08:54:33 PM »
Remington M-700, 338 Win Mag, 225 gr Core-Lokt
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« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2003, 07:24:13 AM »
Dand, up until I started carrying my .450 Marlin a couple of years ago, I used nothing but the 230 gr. Failsafes out of a .338WM.  No moose I ever shot with those went more than about 10 yards before falling over.  All most likely would have been 1 shot kills except I tend to keep throwing rounds at them until they do fall over.  I would expect that the Failsafes out of the .300 would perform the same if placed in a good spot.  Glad to hear you did get him and your freezer will be full!  akpls

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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2003, 11:57:28 AM »
Akpls - Yeah I think the Fail Safe bullets are ok but the shooter needs improvement.  Very ashamed of such poor bullet placement.  I am curious to find out if I knocked my scope off zero, or if this load shoots much different from my Noslers and Speers - but my previous range tests sure didn't suggest there was any significant difference.  I have pounded that scope in the past with no shift in zero.   I admit that I was a bit shaken at the thought that cow might charge me - never ever heard one sound and seem so belligerant before.  Well once one laid back its ears and ran a few steps at me in February when I was skiing - but she'd had a tough winter and I wasn't so surprised.  At least that one didn't make me climb a tree with my skis on.
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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2003, 05:15:11 PM »
scope is fine and got several 1.5 in groups at 100 yds.  Not the best thegun can shoot but good enough.  Can't beat that old Leupold 1.5-5 and redfield mounts. Well actually I HAVE beaten them pretty hard for over 20 years and they still hold tight.   Now I know its the shooter who needs work.  Tried 6 shots offhand at 100yd.  3 were in a tight 1.5 in group about 2.5 inches low and 3 were spread around the 25 yd slow fire pistol target for about a 9 inch spread.
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2003, 08:43:34 AM »
Ruger No. 1 338 Win Mag 230grain FailSafes.

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« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2003, 06:38:14 PM »
Daveinthebush,
I would be real interested in the results with your 445 Supermag.  Have you taken anything bigger than deer with it?  I just finished a Marlin lever action conversion in 445 Supermag.  It turned out really nice.  It has a 17" barrel and will hold 6 in the tube plus one in the pipe.  I have not had a chance to fire it yet, but I have done some load investigation.  It should shoot a 320gr hardcast at over 1900fps and a 405gr at over 1500fps.  Do you think that would be good enough to use on moose or brown bear?

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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2003, 07:10:54 PM »
I just got the barrel this spring so I haven't been able to harvest anything with it. :( I really want to try it on black bears.  I am stuck right now as my raft dissappeared from next to the boat and can't anchor and get to shore.

I think the .445 would certainly work on moose and bear.  I would love to have one in a rifle myself.  If you don't mind me asking, how much did your conversion cost?
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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2003, 11:31:32 AM »
I priced the job all over the country with some of the best gunsmiths around from Wild West Guns to Z-Hat (both of these premium gunsmiths agreed to do the job by the way.) I got replies of no thanks we are not interested, it can't be done, to yes we are very intereseted and would like to do the job. The highest quote I got was $600 by a well known smith (which was a cut rate for him) who said they would even get the job done in six months because they really liked the idea. One well known gunsmith told me they could not do it because Marlin uses square butress threads on their barrels and it would take special tools which they did not have to rethread the barrel after it was cut. I finally decided on two local gunsmiths to do the work and they did a magnificent job, butress threads and all. (When I picked up the gun, I commented that good gunsmiths were getting very difficult to find. He replied, "They all starved to death years ago." All together I paid $210 to have the threaded end of my 444 barrel set back 1.416", rechambered to 445 Supermag, rethreaded, reinstalled, engraved with the new caliber and properly headspaced. In addition, 2 new dovetails were cut to mount the forearm and the mag tube since the barrel was set back at the threaded end which naturally changed the placement of the original dovetails realtive to the furniture. I broke down the work and did part of it myself and split the remaining work between 2 gunsmiths. I did all the internal adjustments of the feeding mechanism myself, (which is the most time consuming and   frustrating part - read $$$$ if you pay someone else to do it.) That part required a drill press, a cross vise, a dremel tool, a set of taps, and a small 1/4"X1/4" piece of steel for the extended cartridge stop. The total for all the work was still only $210 which was all labor as there were no new parts required (except the small steel 1/4" "key" I bought at the hardware store for under $2). I was able to borrow a 445 Supermag chamber reamer which probably saved me between $90 (for a rental) to $180 (for a purchase) of a chamber reamer. By splitting the work, no one gunsmith had to guarantee function and satifaction with the final project, all they had to do is guarantee their machine work. They both seemed happy with that arrangement and one even told me they would have probably passed if I had asked him to do the entire project. I did the part they hate to do and let them do the part I could not do without a lathe and a mill and the knowledge to run them.

I hope that is helpful.

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2003, 03:23:17 PM »
Back to the original question, I'm stomping around looking for suicidal bucks on POW Island with my .30-06 Handirifle.  If Iwere back up North (hi, AkPLS) I would probably take it with 180 gr. bullets, or the model 88 in .308 with the same.  But then again I might just take the .54 flintlock with round ball out when the rain dies down.

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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2003, 05:16:38 AM »
Quote from: keesvw2002
...... when the rain dies down.


The Ark just docked at my place!!

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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2003, 06:33:33 PM »
Model 70, 375 Weatherby, 270 grn. Nosler Partition, 3500 fps.

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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2003, 07:36:45 PM »
Stringer,

A bullet that BIG going that fast is just plain sick. :twisted:

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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2003, 02:11:07 PM »
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Model 70, 375 Weatherby, 270 grn. Nosler Partition, 3500 fps.


OUCH!!  :eek:

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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2003, 07:50:11 PM »
Browning A-Bolt .300 WSM
Leupold VariX-III 3.5-10 x 50

I shoot Winchester Super-X 180 gr Power Points.
I live in SE Ak and hunt mostly Deer and Goats.
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2003, 05:02:22 PM »
Got another moose gun. H&R Handi Rifle, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation Comm. in .35 Whelen!  :grin: Topped of with a 3X9 that I am going to change.
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2003, 12:35:30 PM »
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H&R Handi Rifle, Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation Comm. in .35 Whelen!


Hoo boy, I know some folks who would kill for that rifle!

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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2003, 02:26:38 PM »
How about offers instead? :grin:
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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2003, 08:55:43 AM »
Are you trying to get rid of it already?  If so I'll post it on the NEF Singleshot site and we can see what ensues.  I have the .30-06 and it is a good little rifle.  Finicky about loads, though.  You really have to tailor the loads to the rifle, but it is capable of excellent accuracy.  Heck, here's the site: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nef-singleshot/  Look in the files section on accurizing tips.  And Perko has a link to his site for excellent instructions on cleaning up the trigger pull.

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« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2003, 09:07:17 AM »
Haven't even shot it yet.  But if you offer me enough to retire on I might consider it! :)
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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2003, 01:55:31 PM »
Now if it was a Remington 760 I'd think about it.  For a friend, who was my instructor at the UA in Fairbanks back in the '60s.  His walked out of his office one day, and he was pretty upset about it.  Those were the days.  I doubt if any instructor keeps a firearm of any kind in their office in this day & age.  'Course the .35 Whelen was strictly handloads back then, also.

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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2003, 02:43:48 PM »
Gander Mountain will take a 30/06 - Rem. 760 and rebarrel to .35 Whelen for around $125. If I need one cheaply I would go that route.  There have also been a few 7600, on Gunbroker and Auction Arms form a run Remington made recently. Bought mine in 88 or 89 :grin:
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