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Offline Maine1

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H&R model 058?
« on: March 11, 2009, 01:15:18 AM »
Hello, I'm new here but have been lurking for a few weeks now since I picked up a H&R model 058. It came with two barrels, a scoped 357 Maximum and 20 ga. I have been searching and reading up about the H&R on this site and most of my questions have been answered except one. I'm interested in picking up another barrel for it maybe in 30-30 or 270 where can I pick one up?

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Re: H&R model 058?
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2009, 02:23:07 AM »
Tim, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you can put a .270 on a 58 frame, and I'm not sure about the .30-30.  Correct??? ???

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Re: H&R model 058?
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2009, 02:24:42 AM »
Maine, The present company H&R 1871 will not "factory fit" a barrel to your action or frame. The unit that you have is from the bancrupt Harrington and Richardson Company that folded in the mid 1980's In those years only lower pressured rifle calibers were chambered. Examples were the 30-30 and 22 Jet among others. Sometimes barrels that would probably fit your action will appear for sale in the NEF/H&R classifieds here on the GBO forums.

If you read the FAQ by Duce listed in the brown section of this forum category, you can find out what year your combo was manufactured and other interesting things about your combo.

As for a 270 Win barrel for your action, it is simply not strong enough to support that pressure. I have several older 30-30's that are labled topper or H&R and while I use them, I don't hot rod the reloads and work to keep it to factory 30-30 pressures.
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Re: H&R model 058?
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2009, 02:46:42 AM »
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Maine, The present company H&R 1871 will not "factory fit" a barrel to your action or frame. The unit that you have is from the bancrupt Harrington and Richardson Company that folded in the mid 1980's In those years only lower pressured rifle calibers were chambered. Examples were the 30-30 and 22 Jet among others. Sometimes barrels that would probably fit your action will appear for sale in the NEF/H&R classifieds here on the GBO forums.

If you read the FAQ by Duce listed in the brown section of this forum category, you can find out what year your combo was manufactured and other interesting things about your combo.

As for a 270 Win barrel for your action, it is simply not strong enough to support that pressure. I have several older 30-30's that are labled topper or H&R and while I use them, I don't hot rod the reloads and work to keep it to factory 30-30 pressures.

The sn# puts it being built in 1985. Since it came with 357 Maximum can I still use the barrel or do I need another receiver?

Maine1
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Re: H&R model 058?
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2009, 05:23:12 AM »
The 357 Max(40kpsi) should work fine for it, but the 270 barrel(65kpsi) even if you could find one that fit would be too much for the cast iron frame, as Carbineman said, they were only meant for low pressure chamberings.

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Re: H&R model 058?
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2009, 07:03:09 AM »
I agree with the statements above.

 I have this exact model. Mine was also an early '80's and I have shot it a ton!! No problems. My loads are in the books, and I have no pressure signs on fired cases or ejection problems at all.

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Re: H&R model 058?
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2009, 07:53:24 AM »
Thanks for the replies gentlemen!  :) After I posted regarding 270 or 30-30 barrel question I realized that they are two different animals when it comes to pressures. So far, it has been several weeks now and counting I have been coming on to this website to get all of my info on the NEF/H&R rifles. This forum by far is the most informative site, period!! and I have no need to go anywhere else. Keep up the good work!!  :)

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Re: H&R model 058?
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2009, 09:25:19 AM »
Maine1,
I'm curious, was yours a factory 357 Max barrel?

I have one, similar to yours that is called a Model 258 Handi Gun II. I believe it D.O.B. was 1986. (by the way, the first two letters on the ser# are BA - anybody have info why the first letter is a "B" rather than an "H" since it is marked "Harrington & Richardson"?)

This one came with 20 ga and 357 Mag nickle barrels and frame, and that 258 may refer to the nickle plating (see pic) otherwise would it be a 058?

The Mag was re-chambered to Max some time during its life. I took off the wood stock, and "souped it up" a bit with Survivor stocks for my 14 yr old son.

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Re: H&R model 058?
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2009, 10:09:54 AM »
Quote from: tallyho on March 11, 2009, 09:25:19 AM
Maine1,
I'm curious, was yours a factory 357 Max barrel?

I have one, similar to yours that is called a Model 258 Handi Gun II. I believe it D.O.B. was 1986. (by the way, the first two letters on the ser# are BA - anybody have info why the first letter is a "B" rather than an "H" since it is marked "Harrington & Richardson"?)


Kerry, that's addressed in this topic posted by Kurt.  ;)

Tim

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Re: H&R model 058?
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2009, 11:49:41 AM »
Thanks Tim. I might have expected you'd have some info on it. [img width= height= alt=" border="0]http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/Themes/babylon/images/post/thumbup.gif[/img]

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Re: H&R model 058?
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2009, 04:03:51 PM »
I also have a Model 058, doesn't even say "Topper", just Model 058, that came with a 30-30 barrel and a 3"-20 gauge barrel.  My serial number is "AZ", making it a 1985, I suspect they made the 1986 year start with a "B" to avoid repeating.  Since "AA" was already used in 1964, "BA" was used for 1986.  I have seen others with a "BA" prefix.  The last one I saw was a pretty nice shape 30-30 and 20 ga combo in stainless (?) and wood that I saw at a LGS, he was asking around $275 for the combo

  I don't think the .357 Maxi was standard to the Model 058, although I am pretty sure the 357 Mag was.  My research has also turned up 22 Hornet, 30-30, 22 Rem Jet, 20 gauge, .410 gauge, and 16 gauge in the multi barrel combos from H&R before they folded. 

  Maine1, if you want to get rid of that .357 barrel I could give it a good home.  PM me if you have any interest in letting it go  :)
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Re: H&R model 058?
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2009, 08:58:16 AM »
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Maine1, I'm curious, was yours a factory 357 Max barrel?

I think it is but I'm not sure. I have seen old magazines that H&R offered the barrels as an option.

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Maine1, if you want to get rid of that .357 barrel I could give it a good home.  PM me if you have any interest in letting it go 
Regards
Dan R

Sorry Dan  :-[  but that's one of the reasons I bought it for. I did happend to find another one just a 357 Maximum barrel about a year ago at a gun show. Can't recall the price though but if I find another one I'll let you know.

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Re: H&R model 058?
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2009, 09:27:41 AM »
Quote from: Maine1 on March 12, 2009, 08:58:16 AM
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Maine1, I'm curious, was yours a factory 357 Max barrel?

I think it is but I'm not sure. I have seen old magazines that H&R offered the barrels as an option.

 Look at my pictures, That's why I posted them.  ;D ;) Mine is a factory orig 357Maxi barrel.

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Re: H&R model 058?
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2009, 09:40:27 AM »
The original H&R definitely offered .357 Max as a factory chambering late in its existence. I was only able to obtain a barrel with no fitting available around the time the company folded.
I tried fitting it myself to a Topper frame I had, botched it and passed it on to someone who did ??? with it.
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Re: H&R model 058?
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2009, 04:54:15 PM »
Yep CW, that says 357 max. Wish it was sitting in my lap right now.  ;D  But now I'm getting more confused.  I've seen 058's but not 158's, now someone else has a 258, lol, so what do the 1 and the 2 before the 58 stand for?  I'm just curious
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Re: H&R model 058?
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2009, 05:32:44 PM »
Just to stir the pot a bit more... ;) ...

I have a Topper 158 like the one CW show in his pics (it is my avatar pic). It has its original 30/30 barrel. The barrels, 357 and 20ga from my 258 Handy Gun II do not fit the 158 Topper, nor does the 30/30 Topper barrel fit the 258 frame... and none of them fit any SB2 frame (though I am not surprised by that). I 'spose I could make all the older barrels fit one of the older receivers, but then I'd be stuck with at least one orphan receiver. I must admit, I did kinda expect that the Topper and Handy barrels would switch.. oh well.

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