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Offline troy_mclure

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winchester powders?
« on: March 12, 2009, 07:56:25 AM »
my local range has winchester powders/primers for sale.
are they decent quality?

my hornady #7 manual shows win748 for .204 ruger, but i cant find a 45/70 load using winchester powder in either the hornady #7 or Lyman #49.

does anybody know any loads using win powder for the 45/70?
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Re: winchester powders?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2009, 09:58:10 AM »
Qality is very good. As for the 45-70 loadings why not call Winchester and ask them. Your problem is there are OLD trapdoor 45-70, newer lever action guns and even a few contenders around. I have a BOLT actioned 45-70. All of these have a different PRESSURE limit. The 45-70 case was designed for black powder and MAY have to much room for safe use of any WW powders. They will know if this is true. They also may have some info that isn't universally known!
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Re: winchester powders?
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2009, 10:13:17 AM »
Winchester powders and primers are good-quality items.  I use 748 in my .223 regularly.  As for 748 in a .45-70, Winchester (now marketed by Hodgdon, but still made in the same plant in the USA as it's always been) does not list a load for 748 in .45-70 at all.  You can find their loading data at no charge online at www.wwpowder.com

I don't recall whether I have ever tried 748 in .45-70.  For that cartridge, I normally used IMR 4198 and Vihta Vuori N133.  Both of those are similar in general burn rate to 748, but they're not the same so don't try to use load data for one with the other.
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Re: winchester powders?
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2009, 10:27:15 AM »
Winchester has a burn rate similar to H335 and VARGET.  However, there has never really been many loads developed for the 45-70 with Winchester powders.  Joe D'Alessandro at realguns.com used to list some 45-70 loads with Winchester 748 but has subsequently replaced them with Reloder 10x and Ramshot X-Terminator loads.  You could try emailing him.
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Re: winchester powders?
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2009, 10:55:46 AM »
they have a variety of winchester powder, so i dont need the 45/70 loads to be for 748.
ill check out winchester too.
winchester only shows imr and hodgdon powder for 54/70 loads.
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Re: winchester powders?
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2009, 12:15:26 PM »
SPEER#11

Page 316  MARLIN loads LEVEL II

400GR SP bullet WW748 powder:  58.0 - 62.0 WITH CCI 250MAG primer.

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Re: winchester powders?
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2009, 02:29:33 PM »
thanks! ill pick up the speer manual too.
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Re: winchester powders?
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2009, 02:00:20 AM »
best manual to pick up if you want winchester data is the hogdon manual. Winchester powders are made by hogdon.
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2009, 03:58:26 PM »
hah! i got an 8lb keg of win748 for $79 today. it had been there for a while, and no one was buying it so i offered $50, we worked to $79 if i bought primers(like i was going to walk out leaving any primers there! lol
the 2k small rifle primers were  $45

now i just need my press to show up so i can start loading!
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Re: winchester powders?
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2009, 01:21:53 AM »
Thats a GOOD DEAL!!!!

around Christmas time I ran out of 748 and I had a bunch of 30-30's to put together... I went everywhere available to me, no one had it. About two weeks later after many promises of "its coming in". A local shop got some 1lbs in. I bought one to tide me over. $28bucks a pound!!!  WOW, now recently I have seen it for 22-24 that's more status quo. So your $10 a pound is AWESOME!!!  GOOD job there!!!

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Re: winchester powders?
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2009, 09:33:37 AM »
Re Reply # 5.
The Speer #13 manual still lists the same load info for W-748 and their 400 gr. FN.
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