Author Topic: The United States Of Alaska (Read 1507 times)

Sourdough · « **on:** March 13, 2009, 04:20:58 AM »

Man I'm going to stir up a hornets nest here.

Saw a guy in Fred Myers last weekend with that on his jacket. I brought it up during a local talk show yesterday. After I called in many people called in thinking that is an excellent idea.

Here we sit on loads of copper, molibednium, iron, gold, silver, chromium, platinum, coal, oil and natural gas. Only the federal government won't let us mine or drill for it. Alaska has almost as much dealing with foreign countries as we do with the US. (lower 48) If the economy goes sour and the government ignores us as we expect they will. Some people feel that would be a good time to go our separate way. Especially since the Federal Government has not lived up to the agreements of the statehood act. We are like an unwanted stepchild.

President Sara Palin, first president of the United States Of Alaska.

The real scary thing is that Russia has stated that they want to annex us back into Russia.

dukkillr · « **Reply #1 on:** March 13, 2009, 05:14:14 AM »

Wouldn't it be, "United State of Alaska"?

And I'd be very worried about defending those natural supplies you speak of if you cast the US military out.

magooch · « **Reply #2 on:** March 13, 2009, 05:18:44 AM »

Dang--dukkilr beat me to the punch. I like the sound of "President Sarah Palin", though.

Mohawk · « **Reply #3 on:** March 13, 2009, 05:50:44 AM »

Russia will never take Alaska back. If they try, get below ground $:-\$

Tommyt · « **Reply #4 on:** March 13, 2009, 06:00:22 AM »

Quote from: Mohawk on March 13, 2009, 05:50:44 AM

Russia will never take Alaska back. If they try, get below ground $:-\$

Way Below

gstewart44 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 13, 2009, 06:09:46 AM »

Sourdough - while I like the ideas you mentioned and really like the sound of "President Sarah Palin", I don't think it would be possible.

State(s) secession almost 150 yrs ago made the Federal govt more powerful and started the effective limitations on States Rights after the spillage of much blood.

An attempt to oust or blockade the Federal presence in your great state, I fear, would give BHO an excuse to declare martial law in AK and bring in his Civilian Security Force or the newly formed "special" army battalion deployed on home soil.

A long protracted engagement with our legal system would be the only hope of rectifying the issues that the Feds have not honored.

But I still like the idea.......

Sourdough · « **Reply #6 on:** March 13, 2009, 07:26:39 AM »

Dukkiller: No it would be States. The jacket had Alaska divided up by Geographic areas, and there are six of those. Southeastern, The Aleutians, South Central, The Arctic, The Interior, and Western Alaska.

Plus, I'm talking about with the government totally collapsing. Us being geographically separated. If the government failed to the point they could no longer protect us way up here, we would have to organize to protect ourselves, since Russia has been rattling sabers about wanting Alaska back. Many Russian politicians have made that statement lately. We would either have to organize or be annexed by Canada, Russia, or Japan, they are all closer than the lower 48. We have the resources, we just need to develop manufacturing. To do that we need the Federal Government out of our hair, with their philosophy that all of Alaska needs to be one big park.

mirage1988 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 13, 2009, 07:56:35 AM »

Sourdough-
Let me know when to start packing my truck!
Minnesota has nothing and will have even less when the shtf.

bilmac · « **Reply #8 on:** March 13, 2009, 10:04:12 AM »

I would hope that when Alaska seceeds, the Feds will be too busy trying to keep the lower 48 together with lots of other western States opting out at the same time. I don't think Russia could fight it's way out of a wet paper bag these days.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 13, 2009, 01:23:33 PM »

I think i would just be called Republic of Alaska, not United State of Alaska becasue it would not be "united" with anything other places.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 13, 2009, 02:24:49 PM »

I think a big chunk of America needs to secede.

pastorp · « **Reply #11 on:** March 13, 2009, 04:53:00 PM »

Thats the whole point cabin4, Alaska is larger than all the east coast states combined. It's large enough that we could divide it in half and make Texas the 3rd largest state. We could divide it up into the 6 regions with each one being larger than a lot of east coast states. Regards

Cabin4 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 13, 2009, 05:07:35 PM »

I would move to Alaska if it seceded from these united states of the united nations.

mirage1988 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 13, 2009, 05:11:13 PM »

Do you mean secede, or suceed? Two very different things!

Cabin4 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 13, 2009, 05:25:27 PM »

Quote from: mirage1988 on March 13, 2009, 05:11:13 PM

Do you mean secede, or suceed? Two very different things!

I just edited it. Definitely secede.

Sourdough · « **Reply #15 on:** March 13, 2009, 07:00:22 PM »

Pastorp: Alaska is big enough that if we divided it into three pieces, Texas would become number three, and California would become number five. Parts of Alaska would hold one, two, and four.

williamlayton · « **Reply #16 on:** March 14, 2009, 04:05:34 AM »

Big has its benifits and its drawbacks.
Don't discount Russia---they have reorganized and have some bite.
The problems defending Alaska are its own lack of infastructure. Roads and groceries.
Blessings

Sourdough · « **Reply #17 on:** March 14, 2009, 06:13:00 AM »

That is one of the thing that has many of us concerned. For the last five years top officials in Russia, including Putin have said they want Alaska back. If the Federal Government falls to the point some folks are predicting they won't be able to protect us anyway. We'll have to do it ourselves. The federal government is stymieing us at every turn when we talk about building infrastructure. We try and build a road to somewhere they refuse to give us permits across federal land, And the federal government owns 74% of the land in Alaska.

Two of the major items of the Statehood Act the feds have held back on was the building of infrastructure, and turning land over to the State and Private Individuals. Sure would be nice to have a road, or railroad to Nome, Bethel, Dillingham, Barrow, McGrath, Galena, Kotzebue, and Ft Yukon. And how about a railroad to the lower 48.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #18 on:** March 14, 2009, 06:28:41 AM »

Did we not buy Alaska from Russia? How could they want it back? That is like me selling a car cheap and years later I tell the guy I want it back but I am not going to pay you anything for it. I think the US needs to develop the resorces of Alaska. Dale

zacharoo · « **Reply #19 on:** March 14, 2009, 01:06:59 PM »

Louisiana would be a nice republic I think!

Zacharoo

The gulf coast states should go too!!!

wgr · « **Reply #20 on:** March 14, 2009, 01:22:12 PM »

Quote from: william layton link=topic=167660.msg 1098771055#msg 1098771055 date=1237039534

Big has its benefits and its drawbacks.
Don't discount Russia---they have reorganized and have some bite.
The problems defending Alaska are its own lack of infrastructure. Roads and groceries.
Blessings

yes russia has bite lots of it and we are losing ours but the same lack pf infrastructure that makes alaska have problems defending its self might hold true to someone wanting to take it. but then russia would only want to put missiles there

Sourdough · « **Reply #21 on:** March 15, 2009, 07:17:42 PM »

Dale, we would love to develop our resources, but the feds won't let us. Everytime Alaska wants to do anything the Feds and the Environmental groups start throwing up roadblocks. Look at all the controversy over the Pebble mine, and it is only in the talking stage. No permits have been applied for or granted as of yet. But according to the spots on TV, it will be the worst disaster ever to hit North America. All the permits for drilling off shore that were issued by the Bush administration have been revoked.

bilmac · « **Reply #22 on:** March 15, 2009, 11:59:22 PM »

Thing is Sourdough, is that there is no controversy in the lower 48, we have no idea what you are talking about re. the pebble mine. I expect there are some conservatives in the lower 48 who might join voices with you in Alaska, but the only Alaskan issue we ever hear about is ANWAR once every 4 years or so.

When I was up there we were at the center of the wolf issue. Another run at some kind of wolf control, this time we had scientific backing for what had to be done to allow the moose to flourish. There was a lot of controversy,and the lower 48 tree huggers won again. No one in the lower 48 except the tree huggers ever heard anything about it. I would talk to my lower 48 friends about it and their reaction would be something like,"so you have wolves up there".

When Palin was in the limelight, she was proud of what she had done concerning a new pipeline, and it sounded pretty good to me except that, that was the first time I had ever heard anything about it, and I pay more attention to things Alaskan than most.

If you want to do something, I know I would be willing to write some E-mails to my congressmen about things concerning Alaska.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 16, 2009, 04:05:22 AM »

Quote from: Sourdough on March 15, 2009, 07:17:42 PM

Dale, we would love to develop our resources, but the feds won't let us. Everytime Alaska wants to do anything the Feds and the Environmental groups start throwing up roadblocks.

Big government and their freinds in the eco nazi groups know whats best for you. Leave it to them and they will take care of you and your families.

pastorp · « **Reply #24 on:** March 16, 2009, 04:56:05 PM »

We still have some infrastructure. On the island I live on we have a 1&1/2 mile runway and the old gun turets left from WW2. Some of our divers even found a WW2 torpedo of the point just south of where I live. Regards

Oldshooter · « **Reply #25 on:** March 16, 2009, 05:23:04 PM »

Russia Smussia, They can want in one hand and spit vodka in the other and see which one fills up first!

Isnt there a bunch of trained and armed Inuets that are up there to watch and fight the ruskies?

If so then maybe there's not much to be worried about!

pastorp · « **Reply #26 on:** March 16, 2009, 07:10:39 PM »

Lots of national gardsmen up there. The military rifles are the guns of choice and knock-offs like the mini14. They get free ammo from the guard and stay in practice. The guns of that type are so popular because they work in the cold harsh enviroment the people live in.

Last year a native man in Ft. Yukon killed a polar bear with his AR15. A good friend was stationed as a missionary in Ft. Yukon for three years and knew the hunter that killed the bear. The villagers don't like the bears getting too close to their village. Dangerous for the kids to play outdoors when they do.

Our hunters do the same in the village I live in with wolves and bears. Regards,

Sourdough · « **Reply #27 on:** March 16, 2009, 09:10:45 PM »

Bilmac: As for Pebble, OK that might not have made it to the lower 48 yet, but it's coming.

I just came from spending two months in Florida, Texas, and North Carolina. I saw many spots on TV asking for money to save the endangered Polar Bears. I saw these TV adds running in all three states. There is more Polar Bears on Alaska's North Slope now than there has ever been since they started keeping records.

In reguards to Wolf Control, one report I read reported that it takes $100K to make, distribute and run one of these adds on TV. That one add in particular about the wolf control brought in over $9 Million to Defenders Of Wildlife. Big return for a small investment. It's big business for these folks, and the adds are designed to pull the heart strings of young teenage girls, young women, and little old ladies, and it is very effective. Then they use the money to hire attorneys, and to start court litigation to stop what ever that cause was about.

With the polar bears they are using the money to have the courts stop all off shore drilling and exploration for oil in the Beaufort Sea, and the Arctic Ocean. Yet the science says that the Polar Bears will not be endangered by drilling.

If you happened to be watching the travel channel this weekend, you would have seen two back to back shows about Alaska. In those shows they visited ANWR and showed the Caribou. Then they had a speal about how oil drilling in ANWR would put these majestic animals in danger. Another false statement, look at the Artci Caribou herd for instance. They forcast that the herd would go into extinction, with the construction of the Alaska oil pipeline. The herd has gone from 16,000 animals to over 60,000 animals. They lie under the pipe on the gravel, and on the gravel pads around buildings used for parking vehicles, to get away from the bot flies that drive them crazy out on the tundra.

bilmac · « **Reply #28 on:** March 17, 2009, 01:26:32 AM »

Yup, I know a lot of the programs about Alaska are biased. Funny thing though they don't waste their time and money running fund raising ads in Wyoming. Those are for the children and adults who haven't grown up in the cities.

My next door neighbor said she used to be a fund raiser for one of the tree hugger groups. She said she was a zealot when she started, but then she realized that the people she reported to had no interest in "The Cause" at all. They were in it only for the money.

I used to think that the moods in the country was like a pendulum, it swung back and forth. For awhile the libs would be dominant but then the conservatives regained dominance. I sure hope that radical liberals haven't gone so far this time that there will be shooting before it is over. One thing we can take solice in though, the other side has shown that they are cowards in their hearts. I don't see any cowards posting on our side.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #29 on:** March 17, 2009, 02:16:14 AM »

If Alaska wants help then they should start a war with the rest of the USA . After the war ( make it short ) they will be flooded with money as payback for war damage . they will be rebuilt into a world power . look at all the other places we have been . Maybe they will get lucky and we will leave a state of the art military comand system in place with up to date weapons like Viet Nam recived . That would make Russia slow down .