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« on: March 14, 2009, 08:53:43 PM »
Good day to all, anybody here use any of the Amsoil products? what is your opinions. can see where it will save in the long run if it lives up to what it advertises. Thanks.........Bill

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Re: AMSOIL
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2009, 07:31:12 AM »
I use Amsoil products in pretty much everything I have.   I'm a dealer, which cost $35 per year.   I only did it so I could save some money.   I'm not going to tell you that other products aren't any good because that's not true and I won't mislead anyone.   I use Stihl Ultra HP 2 cycle oil in my chainsaws and trimmer.   I've had good luck with Mobil 1 oil and their filters too.   I just prefer Amsoil now.           

Give some of their products a try.   If you need help ordering let me know.   You'll have to order though a dealer.   You'll pay Amsoil directly, not the dealer (at least the way I'm set up).   It's a very safe process.
 
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2009, 01:13:17 PM »
I have sold and used there products since 1978. As far as I am concerned they  are the best. I have alot of personal experiences that I could share but the best way to do it is try it. People can make a lot of claims but if you keep track of what you do with it you will see it will pay off in the long run. I have seen milage gains and money saved by using it. One thing I do know for a fact is if everybody used it it would save a lot of imported oil. Al
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2009, 06:50:48 PM »
I use AMSOIL in my truck, great product, highly recommended.

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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2009, 03:48:51 PM »
In my deisel pulling a fifth wheel it didn't hold up, went to Shell Rotilla synthetic. I still use the Amsoil oil filter and tranny fluid.
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Re: AMSOIL
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2009, 05:25:27 PM »
A guy had an Amsoil stand set up at a local Harley show. I got a pamphlet and read some statements claimed better results than Mobil1. Same price as Mobil1, 9 bucks a qt. Might try some this year.

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Re: AMSOIL
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2009, 07:36:25 AM »
The only thing that has turned me off with Amsoil is the AMWAY type selling they do.  I refuse to buy oil that has to be mail ordered or bought from the only dealer ten miles away.  If their oil is so great, then they need to offer it in stores.  I admit, I did try some of their 2 stroke oil once, can't say I noticed any difference though.  It did seem to smoke more than the Pennzoil I had been using.  I really didn't see anything special about it.

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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2009, 10:30:02 AM »
The only thing that has turned me off with Amsoil is the AMWAY type selling they do.  I refuse to buy oil that has to be mail ordered or bought from the only dealer ten miles away. 
I'm not crazy about the AMWAY type of selling either.   It would be a lot easier to be able to walk into a store and get it.   I just make sure I order it way before I'm going to need it.     
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Re: AMSOIL
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2009, 07:13:48 AM »
  I just can't see paying that kind of money for lube.
  If my engine only lasts 200K miles before I have to replace bearings by using regular oil at 3k change intervals, I figure after replacement of the bearings I'm still ahead money-wise than I'd be by spending the extra $36.00 per oil change. Figuring $54 bucks for Amsoil, and $15 for 6qts. of Valvoline.
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Re: AMSOIL
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2009, 11:08:30 AM »
I feel the same way. I've had many trucks to go over 150,000 miles and never had anything but Havoline.  It's cheap and will go 5000+ miles between changes.  I feel the Amsoil and all the other synthetic stuff is more hype than actually reality.  I'm sure there are benefits , but they are not very sugnificant.  I once tried Mobil one in an old Dodge truck and the thing knocked at start up and continued until the truck was warm.  I didn't think the filter was the culprit b/c the knock was persistant and I always use Purolator filters.   I switched the oil and the problem went away.  That was enough for me to determine that synthetics were a waste of money.  I'm currently running Walmart Supertech oil in my vehicles and tractors, and have not had any problems.....

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Re: AMSOIL
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2009, 04:14:54 PM »
I have been running Amsoil for a few years. So far I am impressed with the way my diesel tractor and Duramax starts no matter how cold it is.  One thing I have to say is you can't tell much about an oil until it gets an oil test. I put 18k mi. on Amsoil series 3000  5w30 and took it in for an oil analysis. The numbers proved the oil was still good. Yo can't tell if oil is good by looking at it. I now have 33k mi. on the oil and will test it in a few days. I will get back to everyone. Fuel milage was .2 mpg and that's not much but it is enough to get me 5 mi. more per 25 gal. fill up, or 200 dollars a year savings in fuel. It adds up, adds up more when you don't need to change oil every 5k. I may just go 20k between changes and forget the 22 dollar test but the test also tell if it's leaking anti freeze or if it's ready to blow a bearing too. It just might be worth the test. This seems strange to many cause it's a different way of maintaining but a diesel engine might go 500k so I want to do my maintenance this way. Filter is an Amsoil AO every  15-20 k mi. I got it for 6 buck a qt. but now it's 7.75. It really is free after the better fuel milage and not having to change every 5k. I will reply in a week or so, that's how long it takes for the test. It will be interesting getting results from oil with 33k on it. I decided to trust the UOA. Later, ihookem.

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Re: AMSOIL
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2009, 12:59:21 PM »
I just got my oil test back from Oil Analysers . The test shows the oil is still good. The magnesium is slightly high but still in the safe range. Iron is slightly high but still on the upper end of normal. The viscosity is 12.8 and that makes it 12.8 w30 instead of 5w30. That is ok for summer but in winter it's a little thick. The oil is still good though. I think this test proves Amsoil is worth the cost. I might change it in 5k mi. when I change the filter.  Later, ihookem. I

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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2009, 06:37:57 PM »
For you guys who don't think it's worth the money thats your choice. One person said it didn't hold up not sure what that means without a test. Shell rotella is not a synthetic oil even though they claim it to be on the jug. Synthetic is an over used marketing tool to sell oil at a higher cost. They can have one man made additive in it and call it synthetic. Just ask Mobil they tried to sue Castrol for marketing syntec as synthetic oil and it's not synthetic. Neither is Harley Davidsons screamin eagle oil. For those who cannot handle buying it from a dealer rather than walking into a store I can only tell you that Amsoil tried that route and almost went under. They believe word of mouth is the way to go. Another comment on synthetics is if there so bad and don't work why are more companys providing warrantys that state if you use anything but them they will not honor the warranty. One example is Eaton fuller who makes rear ends for semi trucks. There gear oil is synthetic take it out and the warranty goes away. Synthetics are made to run longer because they do not break down like the petrolum oils do. The filters Amsoil sells are superior to anything on the shelf. I have been using Amsoil since 1978 and would not use anything else. Al
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Re: AMSOIL
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2009, 06:22:26 AM »
While synthetic seems to be the new thing and it is advertise as the cat's meow of lube, the fact still remains that covential oil still gets the job done.  I once met a man at the local flea market who was reselling stuff from the $1 store.  He said if you mark this cheap stuff up to $5, people will buy it.  I guess my point is, just because an oil costs more doesn't mean it is any better than regular convential in the life of a car.  Many cars and trucks have gone well over 200,000 miles with covential oil. Rotella has been used in many diesels with over 1,000,000 miles.  I guess my point is which ever choice you make the vehicle will fall apart before most engines will.  There is just not enough benefit in $12 a quart motor oil to make most people use it.  Amsoil is what it is...I won't use it, not because it's sold like Amway, but because it and along with most synthetics are just too dang expensive. Many that use synthetics claim that they don't have to change their oil as often.  I ask them what about the filter?  I would not leave any filter on a vehicle for the 25,000 interval Amsoil claims.  If you change the filter, you might as well change the oil, so convential it is.  Honda claims oil change intervals at 10,000 miles with convential Exxon Superflo/Honda oil.  Most conventials will go 10,000 miles.

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Re: AMSOIL
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2009, 07:16:13 AM »
We used in in our fleet , motor oil , trand oil , gear lube etc. for over 15 years .The engine will run cooler ( in winter a diesel will take for ever to warm up ) , gas mi. will improve and you will experince less lube related break down . I started using it because some drivers would forget to get oil changed , one went 84000 on a new truck , yep engine locked up and he is gone .
BUT the cost is high so we went to Vavoline/NAPA syn oil in gas trucks , save 300 or so bucks a drum . And in two years we have seen no change in failure rate . 
For whats its worth we stoped using the syn oil for a year about 6 years into the amsoil phase . Dealer said it was a waste of money . we experinced 2 engine failures , 3 trans and several rear ends failing so we went back to amsoil.. That was over 8 years ago . funny thing is yesterday we had the first trans. went out since then . It had not had fluid changed in over 100000 miles . it has 229000+ on it . we stoped changing the fluid when it started slipping . Its a Dodge 3/4 ton truck utility bed loaded to the max. most drivers who had it were under 20 in age , when it started slipping we put in Lucas trans. add. and it went to working fine so we elected to leave it alone . It dosen't owe us a thing .
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« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2009, 07:19:03 AM »
Shootall,

What kind of fleet/business are you involved in?

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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2009, 07:33:49 AM »
a slow one these days !
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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2009, 07:46:59 AM »
  I'm not going to say that synthetics are bad or don't work. But as for this warranty question.
   "Another comment on synthetics is if there so bad and don't work why are more companys providing warrantys that state if you use anything but them they will not honor the warranty". They call that an "OUT". All they need is for you to bring in the vehicle for repair and you don't have a receipt showing that you put in that specific oil during any period of the vehicle's life (even if you put it in but just lost the paper receipt), BINGO, that’s their out, they aren’t paying.
  And I can only smile when I read something to the effect that someone has been using something for X# years or so, then stopped. And now all of the sudden within a year they have X number of failures here and X number of these failures. Like ALL that wear happened in that one year they didn't use product XYZ. :o   Come on now. 
  And as for the oil testing, I had some done while doing some performance work on race bikes when I lived in AZ. trying to find out what worked best in that heat. Out of the 8 or 9 tests run, the Synthetics tested against the Dino oils showed slightly better in most tests. In one test a conventional oil (Torqo??? I think) don’t quote me on the brand) BEAT Mobile 1, showing less metals and impurities in the same motor run about the same hours under the same track conditions.
  So,,, are they better? I'll say yes. Are they allot better? Sometimes for some things.
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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2009, 02:23:29 PM »
You may notice people seem to swear by synthetics the further north you go, especially with diesels. I noticed that 30-30 man lives in S. Carolina. I might not use it if I lived in the south. This is why we get people swearing at it and by it. I can say It makes a world of difference in my Kubota diesel when it's below 0 degrees. -15 and it's a little slow but it starts. In my Duramax I used dino and it started in -22 degrees but it sounded like an old Dodge instead of a new Duramax. It is very important to have an engine start in winter up here. It's worth it to spend 3 times as much and change less often.

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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2009, 08:44:31 AM »
The syn oil in the South makes sense as it helps  the engine run cooler . I have a friend who swears by it in the Texas heat .
Warranty is no problem . It meets a rating or it does not just use what rating is called for .
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« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2009, 04:32:26 PM »
Amsoil is cheap. Here is my case. I bought 5w30 Amsoil 3000 diesel oil. Ten qt can was 67 dollars. I ran it 18k and did the oil test for 23 dollars,added another 14 dollar filter and 2qts of oil. After another 16k mi. I did another oil test. Two techs insist there is no reason to change the oil cause the numbers are good. Before winter I might change it though. So in 40k mi. it cost me 132 dollars to run my truck about 50k mi. Now, if I were to change oil at 2.00 a qt. for dino oil and 6 bucks for a filter I would change eight times @ 26 dollars per change (6000 mi. per change) would cost me 208 dollars.  I also get my oil tested to see if there are problems inside. Just a thought.

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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2009, 09:31:15 PM »
I am seriously thinking of switching to Amsoil in my '05 Dodge Cummins, here is why. Even Shell Rotella has recently changed its formula to be compatable with the '08 and newer Diesels, that have much tighter emissions control, and require oil with very low zinc content, hence less lubricating abilities. Amsoil offers oil formulated for the '07 and earlier engines. A diesel specific repair shop / high performance shop here in the N.W ( www.thepowershop.com ) recommends Amsoil.
Different formulation in the Diesel fuel itself is also why I run a fuel additive.
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« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2009, 10:18:11 AM »
We run 15-40 Amsoil in the Cummins Diesel and have since it had 15000 miles as they recomend putting on that much miles before switching . I have a 6.7 that we are getting ready to switch over . We have a 2004 duramax that has the same . The dura has 187000 , the cum. has 150000 . In both cases the truck run cooler and got better MPG.
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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2009, 06:15:00 PM »
98 f250 5.4 gas has 276k on the clicker. We used to use castrol in it but it just seemed to get real dirty pretty fast. We whiched over to valvoline High milage and use either a bosch or motorcraft filter and it stays pretty darn clean.

Rotella is a great oil, it was used back in the 50s and 60s for everything from indy cars to drag cars.

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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2009, 12:17:51 PM »
I just got my  oil test back for my truck with Amsoil 5w30 series 3000 oil  . After 46,000 mi. the report says it is still good for continued use but should be retested in 7k mi. This is how good Amsoil and other good synthetics are, just to let you all know. It is getting up there and to some degree should be changed but not needed yet.

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« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2009, 01:35:40 PM »
46k on the same oil?

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« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2009, 02:00:43 PM »
Yes, that is 46k on the same oil. I changed the filter when the oil had 18k and then @ 33k. I put in about 6 qts of makup oil. I used Amsoil filters. I will change the oil shortly , even though oil test said the oil is still good for extended use and retest in 7k mi.  I will just change it though cause the dipstick is on add and that's 2 qts with a 10qt. pan anyway.

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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2009, 05:35:13 PM »
Do I dare do that with Walmart Synthetic?

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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2009, 06:25:55 PM »
If you are going to send in oil for analysis, why not extend Wal Mart oil life?  Most folks could probably extend the drain intervals, but choose to be safe rather than sorry.

I'm in the use it till it's reached the end of it's useful life camp. I use high quality synthetic media filters as well as syn oil. I generally drop the oil at 10k, and change the filter, the filter being the main reason I'm under there. Oil analysis and a new filter are about $30, I'm usually needing a qt of oil too, so now its $37.  For $50 it's changed and is not a question any longer. For me it's a twice a year event, fresh 0w/30 for winter and fresh 5w/30 come summer season.

Something to consider that many don't is the amount of fuel that is burned in an engine. Assumeing your air filter is doing it's job, the fuel is the only other source of contamination being introduced to the motor. A 6qt oilpan in an engine getting 13mpg will deal with a lot more soot and acids than if it were getting 19 mpg. Add oil is also fortifying the oil with fresh additives, the engine using a qt every 2k may in fact be healthier in the end than one that gets no oil between changes.

 I have seen enough oil analysis to be comfortable with extending my drain intervals. I also drive a long distance to and from work insuring the truck is at operating temps for a good 45 min nearly every time I start it. If the wife were driving ten blocks to work daily I would not feel comfortable leaving oil in for three years trying to eek out 10k. In this scenario about any oil changed three or four times a year would be my practice. Even more likely I'd swap vehicles once in a while.

There is more to extended oil changes than the odometer, so there really isn't one correct answer.
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Re: AMSOIL
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2009, 03:18:16 AM »
Mobil 1 0w30 is great for cold weather starts, below zero temps is where is really shines.

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