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Military Demands Details on Soldier's Private Guns.
« on: March 21, 2009, 08:44:14 AM »
During my 23 plus years in the military I seen something like this on one occassion.  Living in family housing on base all guns had to be registered, the guys who lived in the barracks had to store theeirs in the armory.  Tho this was overturned, it is likely the tip of the iceberg of what's to come.



WEAPONS OF CHOICE
Military demands details on soldiers' private guns
Fort Campbell command reversed under pressure

------------------------------------------------------------------------------Posted: March 21, 2009
12:15 am Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

A military commander at Fort Campbell in Kentucky demanded his soldiers give him the registration numbers of any guns they own privately and then reveal where they are stored.

The order was stopped, according to base officials, when it was discovered the commander was not "acting within his authority."

The original order was issued on the letterhead of Charlie Company, 3rd Battalion, 187th Infantry Regiment and said effective March 11, any soldier with a "privately owned weapon" was required to submit the information, along with any information about any concealed carry permit the soldier may have, and what state issued the permit.

Further, the rule warned, "If any soldier comes into possession of a Privately Owned Weapon following the effective date of this memorandum, he is required to inform the Chain of Command of the above information."

One soldier who objected to the demands circulated the memo, commenting that he lives off post.

"It just seems a little coincidental to me that within 90 days the most anti-firearm president in history is inaugurated, some of the nastiest anti-firearm laws are put on the table in Washington, and then the Army comes around wanting what amounts to a registration on all firearms, even if they are off post, and doesn't provide any reason or purpose as to why," the soldier said.

Base spokeswoman Cathy Gramling told WND the letter apparently was a mistake. She said the base requires anyone bringing a privately owned weapon onto the installation to register it.

"As a response to a number of negligent discharges of privately owned weapons, the command decided to explore how to implement a training program for soldiers with privately owned weapons. Their goal is to identify soldiers with firearms and provide additional safety training to them, much like our motorcycle and driver safety classes," she said.

"Our soldiers train and operate in combat with M-4 carbines and various other military weapons, but not all who purchase their own weapons are properly trained to handle them. Determining which soldiers possess weapons will allow the command to identify the soldiers who may require additional training on them," she said.

Learn here why it's your right – and duty – to be armed.

Gramling said the memo was "from a subordinate unit commander who, at the time, believed he was acting within his authority." She said requiring the information was halted when it was discovered the commander was not within his authority.

The process has been suspended pending a full review, she said.

"This is not an effort to infringe on soldiers' rights to own firearms," Gramling told WND.

Mistake or not, the commander's order comes on the heels of a Department of Defense policy that limited the supply of ammunition available to the private gun owners by requiring destruction of fired military cartridge brass.

That policy already had been implemented and had taken a bite out of the nation's stressed ammunition supply before it was reversed this week.

Mark Cunningham, a legislative affairs representative with the Defense Logistics Agency, explained in an e-mail to the office of Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont., that the Department of Defense had placed small arms cartridge cases on its list of sensitive munitions items as part of an overall effort to ensure national security is not jeopardized in the sale of any Defense property.

"Upon review, the Defense Logistics Agency has determined the cartridge cases could be appropriately placed in a category of government property allowing for their release for sale," Cunningham wrote.


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Re: Military Demands Details on Soldier's Private Guns.
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2009, 07:27:48 AM »
I could understand this if you lived and store your firearm on base but if you live off base it is none of their business. Dale
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Re: Military Demands Details on Soldier's Private Guns.
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2009, 04:30:31 AM »
why should the military servicemen have less rights than civilians dale?
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Re: Military Demands Details on Soldier's Private Guns.
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2009, 04:36:59 AM »
because they sign a contract
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

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Re: Military Demands Details on Soldier's Private Guns.
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2009, 05:21:30 AM »
because they sign a contract

I never signed a contract when I was in the US Army, requiring me to register a gun I kept off base!............DID YOU?



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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2009, 05:22:07 AM »
why should the military servicemen have less rights than civilians dale?
When you join the service they own you pure and simple. You know the term GI. That means general issue. You give up your rights when you join. Dale
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Re: Military Demands Details on Soldier's Private Guns.
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2009, 05:53:51 AM »
When you go into the military, they own you.
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Re: Military Demands Details on Soldier's Private Guns.
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2009, 06:29:09 AM »
no but did you repete oath/contract to obey orders ?
you were then under military law and did not have the same rights as a civilian during your stay in the military . The ? was why they have less rights . the short ansewer is the military can't function that way .
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Re: Military Demands Details on Soldier's Private Guns.
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2009, 09:11:03 AM »
   it only goes so far.   soldiers need legal representation more than any other group i know of.  the commander's power only goes so far. 
   the best way to file off an out of control commander'S horns is to put some civilian pressure on him/her.  a call from your congressman will go along way.   

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Re: Military Demands Details on Soldier's Private Guns.
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2009, 09:17:48 AM »
With the liberal anti gun congresswhores we have now that may be a wasted call. But then, it would be a good place to start.

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Re: Military Demands Details on Soldier's Private Guns.
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2009, 02:53:12 PM »
i admit i know very little about such matters. s'why i asked the question. just seems odd that people trusted and trained as highly as today's soldiers should then get that kind of treatment
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Re: Military Demands Details on Soldier's Private Guns.
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2009, 08:58:50 PM »
 huh they never ask me about my 32 .. nor the rifle i had at home..
guess it just never came up.. i believed about everything i heard the
 cc say ..so ida probably told them.

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Re: Military Demands Details on Soldier's Private Guns.
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2009, 10:41:30 PM »
Guys, just to set record on this.  There has been a HUGE spate of suicides in the Army recently.  The Army has been putting a LOT of emphasis on suicide prevention.  My soldiers had a mandatory 4 hour class two weeks ago.  More training to come on this.  This commander was operating outside of his authority.  According to what I read he was seeking information to give him an idea of who might be more at risk.  Not legal by any means but was in the good interests of his troops.


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Re: Military Demands Details on Soldier's Private Guns.
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2009, 12:31:02 AM »
Not sure I accept the idea a commanding military man (who should know better) will violate the Constitution in the good intrest of his troops?

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Re: Military Demands Details on Soldier's Private Guns.
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2009, 12:57:18 AM »
Guys, just to set record on this.  There has been a HUGE spate of suicides in the Army recently.  The Army has been putting a LOT of emphasis on suicide prevention.  My soldiers had a mandatory 4 hour class two weeks ago.  More training to come on this.  This commander was operating outside of his authority.  According to what I read he was seeking information to give him an idea of who might be more at risk.  Not legal by any means but was in the good interests of his troops.


ngh

If the real issue is suicides, what other measures is the army taking to reduce the chances of a soldier taking his own life?

Is it a safe assumption that extended deployments and long periods away from home have much to do with this problem?

Guns are the tool, and IMO the army needs to look at the conditions which drive such behavior.
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