Author Topic: What Happened to our Constitution? (Read 1801 times)

Cabin4 · « **on:** March 24, 2009, 02:27:18 PM »

Don't we think that our politicians could learn a lesson from this guy? What has happened to our principals in this country when the People allow politicians to violate our founding principals as a nation?

Thomas Jefferson :
"On every question of construction of the Constitution, let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed."

LONGTOM · « **Reply #1 on:** March 24, 2009, 06:01:10 PM »

What has happened to our Constitution is it has been watered down by a liberal society filled with liberal judges that bend and intrepid it the way they want and not the way it was intended.
Also as a compliant country we have let this happen over the course of many years and it is only now that we are seeing the results of our uncaring attitude towards the very document that gives us our rights and freedoms as a nation.

We all make mistakes, and this has been a costly one, but we must learn from them and reinstate the values that our forefathers intended when they penned these famous words so long ago.

This can only be done by the very people who let this tragedy happen in the first place, US!
It is time to vote out the liberal left and elect people who believe in the Constitution as it was written.
We must insist that our courts be filled with judges that understand the Constitution and what it stands for.
Ones who will not be swayed by fast talking lawyers who have their own agenda to fill.

Until these things can be accomplished we are doomed as a nation to live under the control of our government instead of our government doing the will of the people.

And the ones that are in there now have got to go!!!

LONGTOM

dukkillr · « **Reply #2 on:** March 24, 2009, 06:13:59 PM »

I've said if before here... It's not just liberals who ignore the Constitution. There are some self proclaimed conservatives here who are proud to ignore the Constitution. They actually brag about it. They only believe the amendments that pertain to guns matter. Sad. Ignorant and sad, but it's a cop-out to say it's all on the liberals.

LONGTOM · « **Reply #3 on:** March 24, 2009, 06:26:06 PM »

You may be right.
I just don't see to many conservatives cutting the Constitution.

LONGTOM

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 24, 2009, 09:51:06 PM »

tyrany hasn t won an won t .. not as long as you don t turn your long guns in..they know they have to con us out our arms before any of the rest of thier plan can really proceed..you never have to give your guns up.. says so in the constitution.. until we do its still govt by the people..hitler was just tickled pink cause he had england whipped..
or did he.. didn t turn out that way huh..turn to your god an be willing to pay any price for this freedom so hard won way back then..slim

Dee · « **Reply #5 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:07:53 AM »

The Constitution and Bill of Rights is at the present time, laying UNDERNEITH the Patriot Act. A Republican inspired document, that a Republican RAMMED HOME, and later wanted to make permanent. Think not? Read it!
Democrat-Republican. Two sides to the same damn coin.

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 25, 2009, 02:45:36 AM »

sorry fellas the constitution is intact.. its still stands for what it always has..
it only is dead if the decendents of the original ratifyers of it arn t willing to do what they did..fight like hell an fight some more..all these acts exist in white paper on a clean desk.. the constitution is made of different stuff and soaked in blood of the ones who fought hard for it.. don t turn your guns loose an you an i may get the opportunity to fight along side of them someday.. it will be a gurrilla style war and will eventually be won..if we are worthy of freedom .. simple as that to me..slim..

Dee · « **Reply #7 on:** March 25, 2009, 03:07:53 AM »

slim rem 7, at the present time the Republicans and the Democrats for the most part are IGNORING the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and have been for quite some time. The Patriot act basically NULLIFIED many PROTECTIONS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION, and basically NULLIFIED many PROTECTIONS OF DUE PROCESS GRANTED BY THE BILL OF RIGHTS.
Compare it to a restraining order. If someone violates a restraining order and goes where they are not supposed to go, then the restraining order is ineffective. Yes you still have the restraining order, but it is being ignored. YES?

magooch · « **Reply #8 on:** March 25, 2009, 03:10:00 AM »

If you think the Constitution is in trouble now, just wait until this Obamunist gets to appoint a couple of Supreme Court Justices.

LONGTOM · « **Reply #9 on:** March 25, 2009, 03:12:34 AM »

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The Constitution, that GD piece of paper

TM7 if that GD part stands for what I think it does than I summit that The Constitution must not mean the same to you as it does to me!

If I am wrong than I apologize.

LONGTOM

WylieKy · « **Reply #10 on:** March 25, 2009, 04:31:18 AM »

Quote from: LONGTOM on March 24, 2009, 06:26:06 PM

I just don't see to many conservatives cutting the Constitution.

PATRIOT ACT, PATRIOT ACT, PATRIOT ACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Skunk · « **Reply #11 on:** March 25, 2009, 04:51:15 AM »

Quote from: Dee on March 25, 2009, 02:07:53 AM

The Constitution and Bill of Rights is at the present time, laying UNDERNEITH the Patriot Act.

Quote from: WylieKy on March 25, 2009, 04:31:18 AM

PATRIOT ACT, PATRIOT ACT, PATRIOT ACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Agreed. The Patriot Act was supposedly enacted to fight terrorism. However, in fighting terrorism the Patriot Act gives agencies like the FBI and law enforcement huge privileges for obtaining and sharing personal information about any citizen. The Patriot Act contains provisions to tap our phone lines and our internet connections. The Patriot Act allows some agencies to obtain our credit card numbers as well as our credit reports, not to mention our spending habits. With the domestic terrorism law which is a byproduct of the Patriot Act, the government can easily take away the first amendment right to free speech if they deem it necessary or if they don't like what they are hearing. With the loss of habeas corpus, the government could detain anyone of us indefinitely if they so desired. All they would have to do is drum up some bogus charge about us that was remotely related to terrorism (see the thread about the Missouri Terrorist List). The US justified the Patriot Act because we were at war. However, no declaration of war has ever been declared against the terrorists that committed the heinous act of 9/11. The laws and process of law have indeed been changed where the U.S. Patriot Act is involved, and some factions feel these changes may be unconstitutional.

v-man · « **Reply #12 on:** March 25, 2009, 05:04:33 AM »

Don't forget to add McCain-Feingold to the list. Pretty clear attack on free speech and I believe one of them plays a Republican on TV.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 25, 2009, 07:44:10 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on March 25, 2009, 07:30:23 AM

Quote from: LONGTOM on March 25, 2009, 03:12:34 AM
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The Constitution, that GD piece of paper

TM7 if that GD part stands for what I think it does than I summit that The Constitution must not mean the same to you as it does to me!

If I am wrong than I apologize.

LONGTOM
.
Yep,,,you'd be absolutely wrong...That quip about the Constitution being a GD piece of paper is attributed to...GEORGE W BUSH..!
back when he wanted his (Chertoff's and Binh's) Patriot act passed. check it out...thought everybody knew that.

...TM7
.

It can be attributed to most every politicians in this country with few exceptions. Obama is not one of the exceptions.

LONGTOM · « **Reply #14 on:** March 25, 2009, 08:21:52 AM »

Well then I guess the Constitution doesn't mean as much to a lot of people.

Well I ain't one of them.

LONGTOM

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #15 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:10:54 AM »

patriot act be danged .. im talking freedom.. i don t care what govt thinks its allowed itself to do.. before its over you gonna have all paper legislation..
the media will call us the criminals too. what they say don t have to be .. the guns in good mens hands are the difference ..just don t turn them in..
it will come a time you will be glad you didn t an in truth be willing to die for the cause.. whos odds better .. a bunch of settlers in a new land with naysayers,
all around them willing to turn them in for the crowns good favor.. or an nation of armed civilians facing an power hungry group that ,,in some way know they have to eliminate the arms of the people..we just not gonna givum what they want..
when im dead .... then they can pull my gun loose from my hands..
but they might just find themselves in prison for treason themselves..
in the end this what it depends on .. god please bless america again..slim

45-70.gov · « **Reply #16 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:16:44 AM »

actually i think the constitution is writen on HEMP/maryjana/weed / pot / grass

Cabin4 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:20:45 AM »

Quote from: 45-70.gov on March 25, 2009, 09:16:44 AM

actually i think the constitution is writen on HEMP/maryjana/weed / pot / grass

I feel clarification on the above statement is an appropriate request.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #18 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:32:26 AM »

HISTORY FACTS

*Hemp has been grown for at least the last 12,000 years for fiber (textiles and paper) and food. It has been effectively prohibited in the United States since the 1950s.

*George Washington and Thomas Jefferson both grew hemp. Ben Franklin owned a mill that made hemp paper. Jefferson drafted the Declaration of Independence on hemp paper.

*When US sources of "Manila hemp" (not true hemp) was cut off by the Japanese in WWII, the US Army and US Department of Agriculture promoted the "Hemp for Victory" campaign to grow hemp in the US.

*Because of its importance for sails (the word "canvass" is rooted in "cannabis") and rope for ships, hemp was a required crop in the American colonies.

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a quick google search
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my bad it was the declaration of independence [but i may still be right about the constitution too]

the covered wagons that settled the west were hemp cloth too
that is why the indians shot them with flaming arrows

Cabin4 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:34:42 AM »

Okay thanks.

I though you were insinuating that our founding fathers were smoking the stuff when they wrote it.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #20 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:39:09 AM »

they drank a lot back then

washington was a distiller

then in the 20s or 30s the constitution was amended to out law drinking

how much respect was that for the founding fathers

now most of the polititions i have met are drunks

patric moynahan
corine brown
ted kenndy
etc

i would be willing to bet they smoked it
i don't approve but its their business...after all they grew it

but as for what happened to it

i think the 10th amendment is the most ignored
and most reading this won't know what it is with out looking it up
and only a few more will look it up now that i chalenged them on it

Cabin4 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:44:10 AM »

I don't doubt that they drank. Like today, nearly every man in those days drank. Drinking is not the problem. Abuse is.

I do however doubt they smoked any wacky weed. Who knows. In any case, wacky weed or not, drinkers or not, they were brilliant and possessed a great ability to forecast the future.

rparsons934 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:48:45 AM »

Quote from: cabin4 on March 25, 2009, 09:44:10 AM

I don't doubt that they drank. Like today, nearly every man in those days drank. Drinking is not the problem. Abuse is.

I do however doubt they smoked any wacky weed. Who knows. In any case, wacky weed or not, drinkers or not, they were brilliant and possessed a great ability to forecast the future.

Actually they probably did smoke weed. Most did in that time. Especcially out of pipes. It wasnt tabacco they were smoking. Weed was a a wild WEED back then. People didnt look at it as a bad thing or a drug. For some it was spiritual and the rest a social thing. So I would say that they probably did smoke some weed. It was a complete diffrent thing back then. But they were definatly some intellegent people to bad most ppl in congress only know one thing.........MONEY.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #23 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:52:36 AM »

well...i have never questioned their brillience and foresight

this thread is about what happened to the constitution
many here will accept they drank......now
but not back in the 20s

many will not accept they grew marijane/hemp
and put improtant documents on it
becaused they are brain washed reguarding the WAY ON DRUGS
and will willingly accept UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACT to fight drugs
or what ever the next CRISIS IS

that is my point in a round about way

rparsons934 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:00:54 AM »

Quote from: 45-70.gov on March 25, 2009, 09:52:36 AM

well...i have never questioned their brillience and foresight

this thread is about what happened to the constitution
many here will accept they drank......now
but not back in the 20s

many will not accept they grew marijane/hemp
and put improtant documents on it
becaused they are brain washed reguarding the WAY ON DRUGS
and will willingly accept UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACT to fight drugs
or what ever the next CRISIS IS

that is my point in a round about way

Point well taken.

dukkillr · « **Reply #25 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:10:49 AM »

Quote from: rparsons934 on March 25, 2009, 10:00:54 AM

Quote from: 45-70.gov on March 25, 2009, 09:52:36 AM
well...i have never questioned their brillience and foresight

this thread is about what happened to the constitution
many here will accept they drank......now
but not back in the 20s

many will not accept they grew marijane/hemp
and put improtant documents on it
becaused they are brain washed reguarding the WAY ON DRUGS
and will willingly accept UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACT to fight drugs
or what ever the next CRISIS IS

that is my point in a round about way

Point well taken.

+1

45-70.gov · « **Reply #26 on:** March 25, 2009, 10:22:37 AM »

some of you are starting to understand my twisted mind

now that worries me

Cabin4 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 25, 2009, 11:17:50 AM »

Quote from: 45-70.gov on March 25, 2009, 10:22:37 AM

some of you are starting to understand my twisted mind

now that worries me

I won't say that I understand it but will agree it may twisted.

LOL

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 25, 2009, 12:03:23 PM »

i don t any problem with peoples vices ,if you want to call them that..
i callum individual freedom.. i don t think most of its very wise or good for you ,,still your choice.. handled right it be a great source of tax revenue .. now let me catch you with my grandaughter in your car an you drunk or something.. she aint gonna like paw paw for what hes gonna do.. but she ll get over it..slim

45-70.gov · « **Reply #29 on:** March 25, 2009, 12:14:51 PM »

Quote from: slim rem 7 on March 25, 2009, 12:03:23 PM

i don t any problem with peoples vices ,if you want to call them that..
i callum individual freedom.. i don t think most of its very wise or good for you ,,still your choice.. handled right it be a great source of tax revenue .. now let me catch you with my grandaughter in your car an you drunk or something.. she aint gonna like paw paw for what hes gonna do.. but she ll get over it..slim

yep i'd throw his constitutional rights to the wind lol