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Offline David L

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Smooth Internal Action For 1858 Remington / Pietta
« on: September 06, 2003, 06:15:22 AM »
I read an article on the internet about a man that worked on a flintlock (I think it was a flintlock). Anyways he described how to smooth out the internal action, I took this information and applied it to my revolver and this is what I came-up with.
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The revolver being worked on here is the 1858 Remington Revolver / Pietta with 7 ½” barrel
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Took down my revolver last night. I took some 320 wet/dry sandpaper to ALL the inside parts, I placed the sandpaper on a flat steel smooth surface and worked on the bearing surfaces of each part. Some of these parts like the hand was purty rugged looking but after the sandpaper trick they were much much smoother, the surfaces that is. I did not sand on the edges, I wanted to keep them sharp. I did sand on the trigger edge that contacts the hammer notches, I just sanded it enough to smooth it out and done it on my flat surface making sure NOT to take off the shoulder edges. I even took the hand screw and shined up the bearing surface on that too. Where the main spring contacts the trigger was VERY rugged. I hit that with a small file about 2 strokes then polished it up with the 320 sandpaper until the surface had an even flat shine to it.
The screw that mounts the hammer to the gun had paint on it and the trigger mount screw did too. I lightly sanded the bearing surfaces on each of these screws until I had an even shine on them both, I did NOT want to remove any material on these screws, I just sanded them enough to get the paint off and put an even shine on them. I rolled a small piece of sandpaper into a very small circle and ran that through the mount hole in the hand and trigger, again I just shined it up and knocked off the rough edges on the inside.

I started on the inside of the gun and just sanded it enough to bring it smooth. I took the main spring and ran it over the file several times and when it got warm I held it in my hand to cool it off, I filed both sides and then finished it off with the 320. I done the same thing to the trigger side of the trigger/bolt spring. I just hit the trigger/bolt spring on the outside and never touched the bolt side of the spring. I sanded them both (main spring & trigger/bolt spring) from the edge, not the flat surface.

I put everything back together and couldn’t believe the difference!! Took it down again and reworked the main spring & the trigger side of the other spring again. Put it back together and the main spring was finished. Took out the trigger spring and done it yet again, back together we went yet AGAIN. NOW, I can actually feel when the hammer is about to fall. Ya know, when your about to fire the gun and pull the trigger, I know when that hammer is going to fall now, as I put more and more pressure on it I can actually feel it creeping out of the hammer notch. I’ve never shot or owned a revolver that has this distinctive feel to it, the trigger kinda like slides to another small stress point on the hammer notch as if warning you, “I’m about to fall now”,  I think I like this gun again….*L* We have a love / hate relationship…

The internal action is really smooth now, when I cock the hammer back I can feel NO resistance and that rugged feeling while cocking it is GONE!!! I can’t believe this trigger pull, for the first time shooting any revolver I KNOW when that hammer is going to fall. Without the cylinder installed I checked to make sure that the hammer could not be pushed forward and fall without the trigger being pulled. The sharp shoulders on the hammer notches and the tip top of the trigger were retained for safety sake.

IF you do this, I would advise NOT to file on the trigger shoulders/notches of the hammer. I “think” this would cause the trigger to let go prematurely, also the tip top OF the trigger that contacts the hammer notches needs to stay square and retain the sharp shoulders. Too much filing OR sandpaper work in these areas will result in a very dangerous gun with the hammer falling just by touching the outside of it. That or it might stay cocked and then just fall with-out touching it. IN other words if your not absolutely sure on what to work on then DON’T DO IT, because I cannot and will not be responsible for you because you “thought” that’s what you read to do in this posting. I have NO control over what you do with your own gun.…..*smile*

BTW - I’m not a gunsmith and have never done anything like this before. I don’t even know if sanding the inside of my gun was the right thing to do, I sanded just enough to smooth it out but, I could NOT find anywhere on how to do this, read that it could BE done but never a post on how to actually do it to this particular make and model of revolver. Have posted on how to set the timing but never have read on HOW to do this, I just know that mine is timed right. I’ll find-out how to do this too, eventually…*L*

IT was extremely easy to do and taking it apart and getting it back together and working properly was easy for me. I had no problems in that area and the instructions I posted on the Dissassemby of the 1858 Remi was dead-on right. Alls I know is my gun action is like glass and the trigger pull and feel is outstanding!!

Going back together with it I found out that it is easier to put the hammer mount screw back in without tightening it after mounting the hand. Hold the hammer all the way forward while you mount the rest of the parts and it seems like it went together easier for me doing it this way.

I hope this helps those that own the 1858 --

David L

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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2003, 01:42:01 PM »
Easiest way to smooth out the metal of any action is to tumble it in a brass tubler full of wheatgerm.  you tape out the areas that you don't want smoothed(threads, knotches and trigger spurs-etc.) and also the areas that have a finish on them you want to keep.  Toss them in the tumbler and walk away.   Depending on the metal is the time to tumble, check every 4 yours or so.  I put the tumbler on a timer.  They come out like a mirror.   Learned this from a guy who builds competition AR-15s but is applies to all guns.  Just be sure to protect what you don't want polished, I use duct tape.  If you are not sure, don't do it.....

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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2003, 06:50:52 PM »
1860, good trick there pard. I will remember that one for the next time I am slicking up a new shooter.
Another that seems to be gaining in popularity is the sqeezing the tooth whitning paste into the whole works and dry firing and working the action, then take all apart and clean up well and lube. Seems messy, but I have heard a number of folks say it worked for them. I think I like your method better. :grin:
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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2003, 01:06:18 AM »
1860,

I never thought of a brass tumbler, then again I’ve never used one. Yet another idea on this: Take automotive valve grinding compound and coat all the gun parts with it and then put it back together and work the action, take it apart clean it up and check the action for smoothness. That was listed as the final step in the process I just went through, I’m still debating about this final step in my own mind, I just don’t wanna carry a good thing too far.

Howdy Do,

Instead of the valve grinding compound I was considering using rubbing compound, ya know, the kind you use on your car paint to restore it. I dunno, the action is so smooth now I don’t want to “Carry a good thing too far”, ya know…

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I’m really pleased how this project turned out. THAT trigger pull is outstanding, I actually tailored it exactly the way I wanted it. Now after its in the full cock position I can rest my finger against the trigger and it “slides” automatically to the final dropping point, a little more pressure and the hammer falls. Its not a “hair-trigger” yet its not a “hard pull” either. I done it a little at a time until I had it exactly where I wanted it.

This gun is putting-up a good fight but it looks like I’m winning. I think once all the kinks are worked-out I’ll have a gun that will perform better than I can shoot…*L*…I hope,,,,,,

I guess now I need to get that forcing cone cutter and do the 11 degree cut. I think I also need to cut some slots in my cylinder pin so it will hold lubrication better, I found an article on doing that. After these 2 tricks I’ll prolly stop with the customizing for a while..GeeZus, this is turning into a labor of love….*L*

BTW - 1860 - I wish I would posted on how to do this because no doubt I would have done it with the brass tumbler. O'well, live and learn.

Thanks for the replies

David L

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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2003, 01:46:31 AM »
The tumbler is only for finishing the parts.  If you start out with visable grind marks, your best bet is to remove them by hand and then tumble.  I bought a set of fine stones at a flea market for a buck, they do a great job on the critical edges where you want to retain the shape and angles.  For large areas I use a small buffing wheel on a dremel and either car polish or toothpaste depending on what I'm looking for.  I don't like the cycling the gun method, lets face it, these guns are subject to breakage, especially springs and small parts, the metal is also not the greatest and can wear pretty quick.  I'd rather do the work and then just shoot it rather than cycling the gun a couple thousand times.  Just me...

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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2003, 10:39:32 AM »
1860, have you seen Flints 58 rem main spring conversion? Wow, I know what my winter project is now and he made up a nifty plate that converts to the coil spring and has no problems. There are some mighty resourceful pards on these BBs for sure. I have been shooting BP guns for quite a while, but I am still learning all the time. It keeps my interest up and I am a tinkerer besides. I like a good runnin' gun. :grin:
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2003, 11:30:06 AM »
H/D

Nope, have not seen it, would like to.  I also like to tinker.. :-)

I'm currious, why does one need a coil spring in a Rem?  The leaf spring can be adjusted by the screw, you can take some off the sides to make it lighter, or slip a pc of leather under where it mounts.  I'm not knocking anything, just wondering.

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« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2003, 04:05:17 PM »
1860 you about said it all when you said can adjust tension and of course you can. Now we all have to agree that for CAS or anyone that shoot 60 rounds a match out of a 58 Remington clone, that reliabity goes a long way towards a low timed score. I myself use the colt/emf springs I got from Brownells and they are both light and reliable. I use only #10 remington caps on Uncle Mikes nipples. Treso nipples are good too. I have to shoot duelist style and I don't need a thumb breaking tough spring, but I do need one that will set my caps off and I also don't want my hammer blown up and have caps fall into the works either. I just want to shoot 5 rounds and holster. No muss and no fuss. I think the coiled spring is the wau to go, since competition shooters have used them for years. You never know, since everything is internal under the grips. It is sort of like welding or putting a recoil shield in colt clones, to keep caps from jamming the hammer when blown backwards.
I like to tinker and that is what I do, but I don;t want to butcher up a perfectly good revolver either. So, my plan this winter is to install ruger coil springs and also remove my post sight and dove tail and install new front sights. It keeps me off the streets  :-D
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