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Re: Mark this day down...
« Reply #60 on: March 30, 2009, 07:58:24 AM »
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« Reply #61 on: March 30, 2009, 08:22:07 AM »
   If a 13 year old sneaks away with one of their parents beers or bottle of wine they may get sick and fall asleep, being inexperienced. As soon as their blood hit 0.10 they would be snoozing.  If the same kid sneaks away with his parents sweet-stick, heroin, cocaine, or meth he will probably be a dead kid or a vegetable. People would still commit crimes to get drug money! It wouldn't matter if it was bought at the grocery store or the street corner. The addiction to that crap does not go away no matter how legal you make it! Ever visited an inmate in a methadone clinic!!!

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« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2009, 08:50:01 AM »
The addiction doesn't go away no matter how illegal you make it. Prohibition has proven not only ineffective but counterproductive time and again. I agree that drugs are a problem, but all our cures have turned out to be worse than the disease. Why is that so hard to grasp?

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« Reply #63 on: March 30, 2009, 08:56:41 AM »
   If a 13 year old sneaks away with one of their parents beers or bottle of wine they may get sick and fall asleep, being inexperienced. As soon as their blood hit 0.10 they would be snoozing.  If the same kid sneaks away with his parents sweet-stick, heroin, cocaine, or meth he will probably be a dead kid or a vegetable. People would still commit crimes to get drug money! It wouldn't matter if it was bought at the grocery store or the street corner. The addiction to that crap does not go away no matter how legal you make it! Ever visited an inmate in a methadone clinic!!!

That can and is already happening. No one’s claiming that legalizing drugs will make irresponsible drug users into responsible ones. The process of natural selection continues uninterrupted.

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« Reply #64 on: March 30, 2009, 08:57:05 AM »
   If a 13 year old sneaks away with one of their parents beers or bottle of wine they may get sick and fall asleep, being inexperienced. As soon as their blood hit 0.10 they would be snoozing.  If the same kid sneaks away with his parents sweet-stick, heroin, cocaine, or meth he will probably be a dead kid or a vegetable. People would still commit crimes to get drug money! It wouldn't matter if it was bought at the grocery store or the street corner. The addiction to that crap does not go away no matter how legal you make it! Ever visited an inmate in a methadone clinic!!!

What if that same kid snuck off with a bottle of their parents PGA and downed the whole bottle?  What if a 5 year old found his daddy's loaded pistol and started playing cowboys and indians with his friends?  What if a teenager was feeling their teen angst and took their daddy's razorblade and slit their wrists.  Do we outlaw the alcohol, the pistol, or the razorblades?  Its a parents responsibility to teach and protect their children.  

I think everyone should go to their local video rental store and go to the comedy section and rent "Refer Madness".  You don't have to be intoxicated to get a good laugh from it.  Our drug laws are based on that movie and stories just like it.  I've never seen a marijuana berry before, have you?  You can find stories published in the newspapers back in the 1930's about teenagers smoking pot and killing their entire family.  Our laws are based totally on fiction.  

In Japan a few years back, a man ran into a grade school and stabbed to death about a dozen kids and a few teachers with a butcher knife.  I don't remember anyone wanting to ban butcher knives.

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« Reply #65 on: March 30, 2009, 11:47:30 AM »
I can see no benefit to society by legalizing drugs, that out weights the enormous benefits of ending drug use. 


Off of the top of my head....lower crime rate, significantly lower taxes, less crowed jails, LEO able to focus on TRUE criminals.

It alters the mind to the point that common sense, family values, and all the known virtues of mankind just go out the window to allow the next hit.

Going out on a limb here, you've never met anyone who has done cocaine.  I'm calling you out.  That is not what cocaine does.  Cocaine (not crack) is also fairly non-addicitive and along with Mary Jane, X, and acid is able to be used recreationally.  To get hooked on coke you have to do in on a regular basis for an extended period of time. 


The drug war has failed and will continue to fail until we reach 1984 "Big Brother" government intervention.  Stop making the drug lords their money and gain a little tax revenue while cutting costs.  Just what the Dr. ordered.
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« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2009, 04:43:06 PM »
to  give people the right to  die  from drugs  cost me nothing

to  take  away  their choise  and freedom  cost me a lot

and opens the door  for more thinngs that we   need to be protected  from

like  guns and lead bullets

after  all  a 13  year old might get hold of his parrents  guns
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
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« Reply #67 on: March 30, 2009, 06:47:52 PM »
Its funny how people want it both ways.  Drugs used irresponsibly can kill!  Lets outlaw them.  The amount of people that die yearly because of irresponsible use of alcohol, firearms, cars is pretty high.  Maybe we should make them illegal to...for our own good.  Oh lets look at obesity and heart disease being a major killer.  Gotta outlaw red meat and McDonalds....for our own good.  Skin cancer is pretty bad too.  Lets outlaw tanning and mandate the use of 50 SPF sun screen.  All for our own good.

Slippery slope indeed.

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« Reply #68 on: March 30, 2009, 11:55:33 PM »
  1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
  How many times have I said "outlaw"...none..But perhaps some have not heard just why illegal drugs are called "ILLEGAL"..
    My suggestion was to stigmatize the hapless saps that use the stuff and defend it's use.
   
  Talk about outlawing automobiles, guns and McDonald's..are all not germain..automobiles, guns and McDonald's are USEFUL
  and not automatically degrading in health & character !
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« Reply #69 on: March 31, 2009, 05:07:04 AM »
The problem is that not everyone that does drugs is a hapless sap, just like not everyone who has a margarita on the beach is an alcoholic.

And how is McDonalds useful?  How is it not degrading in health much less character.  I find it disturbing when adults go into McDonalds without kids.  I mean, what kind of adult eats at McDonalds by choice.  Other than their fries, the food is disgusting.  If you are going to eat a burger, go to Wendy's, Burger King, Hardy's, Fat Moes, or even better yet, go to a locally own establishment and support your community.  I think it says allot about their character.  With mass transportation, not everyone needs an automobile.  We don't subsistence hunt so we don't need guns.  This is America and need has nothing to do with it.  If somebody wants to do drugs, they are going to do drugs.  We can either spend hundreds of billions of tax dollars every year trying to stop the cartels and the drug dealers as well as incarcerating everyone involved or we legalize it, tax it, and put the drug dealers and cartels out of business.  The fact is that you are never going to stop people from doing drugs.  And by the way, over twice as many people OD from legal drugs than ilegal drugs in this country.  I think everyone should stop trying to save everyone else from themselves and let everyone be responsible for their own behavior.  Of course, that would put the preachers, the preists, the rabbis, and the clerics out of business now wouldn't it.  Religion would go bankrupt.  Not a bad idea if you ask me.

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« Reply #70 on: March 31, 2009, 05:36:28 AM »
The problem is that not everyone that does drugs is a hapless sap, just like not everyone who has a margarita on the beach is an alcoholic.

And how is McDonalds useful?  How is it not degrading in health much less character.  I find it disturbing when adults go into McDonalds without kids.  I mean, what kind of adult eats at McDonalds by choice.  Other than their fries, the food is disgusting.  If you are going to eat a burger, go to Wendy's, Burger King, Hardy's, Fat Moes, or even better yet, go to a locally own establishment and support your community.  I think it says allot about their character.  With mass transportation, not everyone needs an automobile.  We don't subsistence hunt so we don't need guns.  This is America and need has nothing to do with it.  If somebody wants to do drugs, they are going to do drugs.  We can either spend hundreds of billions of tax dollars every year trying to stop the cartels and the drug dealers as well as incarcerating everyone involved or we legalize it, tax it, and put the drug dealers and cartels out of business.  The fact is that you are never going to stop people from doing drugs.  And by the way, over twice as many people OD from legal drugs than ilegal drugs in this country.  I think everyone should stop trying to save everyone else from themselves and let everyone be responsible for their own behavior.  Of course, that would put the preachers, the preists, the rabbis, and the clerics out of business now wouldn't it.  Religion would go bankrupt.  Not a bad idea if you ask me.
+1. Very good post. I must say I agree with all of it. Mcdonalds is definatly not usefull. Gow many heart attacks has happend from it? To some Mcdonalds is a drug. So why not outlaw that. We have been fighting the war on drugs for a long time and how far have we gotten. Nowere at all. We are still in square one but with more money spent on NOT advancing. I say regulate it tax it and legalize it. People are going to use drugs no matter what. There is nothing any 1 can do about it. So get used to it.
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« Reply #71 on: March 31, 2009, 05:48:23 AM »
whem we make a crime legal we say it is ok to do ! We often open a flood gate of mis-use !
Abortion is a classic example .
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« Reply #72 on: March 31, 2009, 06:55:50 AM »
People are going to mis-use them any ways. There is absolutly nothing you or any one can do about it.
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« Reply #73 on: March 31, 2009, 06:58:24 AM »
whem we make a crime legal we say it is ok to do ! We often open a flood gate of mis-use !
Abortion is a classic example .

BIG difference between killing a baby and getting high and watching COPS on your couch.  Also, although I am as anti-abortion as possible without getting landed in jail, many of the current...establishments...do give counseling and promote alternative options to murder, and many of the women opt to have their child because of that counseling.  
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« Reply #74 on: March 31, 2009, 07:37:04 AM »
whem we make a crime legal we say it is ok to do ! We often open a flood gate of mis-use !
Abortion is a classic example .

No we're not saying it's OK to do - we're saying that it's LEGAL to do.  There's a difference.  Morality and legality need not (and should not) go hand in hand.

For instance, it's not ok for you to "steal" your buddies girlfriend (by steal I mean "woo", not literally kidnap).  Should it be illegal though?  No, it shouldn't. 

It's not ok for you to cheat on your wife.  Should it be illegal?  No, it shouldn't. 

On the flip side, morally if someone insults your wife (we're talking a major insult here) at a dinner party I have no problem with you beating the crap out of them.  That said though, I don't think it should be legal to do so.

Without accepting that it's legal to do plenty of things that we don't condone we end up living in a bizarre theocracy, which is one of the things that the founding fathers specifically wanted to avoid. 

You simply can't legislate the way you think people should live their lives.  The one and only time when laws or legality should EVER get involved is when it directly harms or hurts another person.  Drugs do not.  Guns do not.  Free speech does not.  Prostitution does not. Murder does.  Theft does.  Rape does. Assault/battery does.

Whether or not it's right or wrong is not what matters - otherwise you're always at the mercy of whose definition of right and wrong we're currently beholden to.  What matters is does it in and of itself harm someone else.  If the answer is no, then the government should have no say in it.

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« Reply #75 on: March 31, 2009, 12:21:02 PM »
whem we make a crime legal we say it is ok to do ! We often open a flood gate of mis-use !
Abortion is a classic example .



and  look at  all  the  AR-15s  people  have  now
that the assault rifle ban went away
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
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« Reply #76 on: March 31, 2009, 12:36:04 PM »
My wife went to a funeral today for a neighborhood kid she knew growing up (their moms were friends). 19 years old, good hockey player in high school, popular, had everything going for him until heroin. He died saturday from an overdose.

Maybe someone should ask his mother if drugs should be legalized?

Some here say that users only harm themselves!?

She will never have a day go by without seeing her son dead in his bed!

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« Reply #77 on: March 31, 2009, 01:02:27 PM »
My wife went to a funeral today for a neighborhood kid she knew growing up (their moms were friends). 19 years old, good hockey player in high school, popular, had everything going for him until heroin. He died saturday from an overdose.


Sad story.... Guess he shouldn't have made the decision to do heroine.  My grandfather died from lung cancer.  Combination of smoking and working in the coal mines in eastern, Ky...around Lynch if you are familiar with the area.  Ask me if coal and tabacco should be legal??  Yep!

I guess the kid didn't know heroine was bad for him? Or maybe someone held a gun to his head and to make him take it until he became addicted...  Also, was the heroine legal? No it wasn't so apparently being illegal did not save his life.

She will never have a day go by without seeing her son dead in his bed!

It would have been the same if he had died in a car wreck, comitted suicide, got shot by his girlfriends father, etc...  I am not detracting from the mother's grief, or saying that this isn't horrible.  However, to be perfectly honest, WHY would ANYONE start heroine.  Heroine is the hardest of the hard and anyone who starts it has deep, deep issues that would have led to his fall in one way or another....  A lot of heroine "overdoses" are intentional, especially in that age group.  I haven't done any of the three "hards" (crack, heroine, meth) and never will. 
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« Reply #78 on: March 31, 2009, 01:18:35 PM »
My wife went to a funeral today for a neighborhood kid she knew growing up (their moms were friends). 19 years old, good hockey player in high school, popular, had everything going for him until heroin. He died saturday from an overdose.

Maybe someone should ask his mother if drugs should be legalized?

Some here say that users only harm themselves!?

She will never have a day go by without seeing her son dead in his bed!

While the story is tragic and I feel for her, I've heard plenty of equally sad stories from gun control advocates about kids finding their father's gun and accidentally (or even intentionally) killing themselves.  Freedom carries risks.  As a matter of fact on one board I heard almost the exact same argument after the Columbine shootings.  It's been many years, but the argument was worded almost exactly like: "How long are we going to continue to put bodies of children in the ground?  Perhaps the NRA should send a representative to these funerals and look the mothers of these children in the eyes and tell them that people should still be able to own guns.".  It's an appeal to emotion, and while the situation remains sad, the logic at it's core does not change. 

I fly small airplanes for example, and MY mother hates it.  Small general aviation aircraft don't have the safety record of an airline - in this case, it's quite a bit more dangerous than driving.  I accept that there's a chance every time I go up that I won't come back.  My mother would be devastated if that were to happen.  That doesn't mean that flying a private plane should be illegal though.  I know the risks, and I accept them.  It is no one's place to try to make me safer by taking away my freedom - because taken to it's extreme we'd be most safe by being locked in a padded room and fed 3 meals per day through the door.  That's SAFETY, but it's not FREEDOM.

Also, as Wylie pointed out, drugs are already illegal, and that still didn't stop this kid. 

To be blunt: to be free includes the right to throw your life away doing stupid or dangerous stuff.  I am never willing to cede any control of my own life to the government simply because they say they know what's best for me.

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« Reply #79 on: March 31, 2009, 01:42:26 PM »
I'm happy for you that you are able to get stoned every now and then WK.

I think drug users can generally be put into 2 groups:

1) Those that use occasionally in a social setting

2) Those that use to numb an emotional pain

Pot is often called a "gateway drug" because it opens the door to other, more dangerous drugs.As the users brain becomes numb, they need stronger drugs to reach the same high. Until a person actually tries pot they don't know if they will become an addict or not because it reacts differently in every person. If pot is legalized, many more people will be "trying" it, some will turn into addicts, some won't. I have never used it because I knew that I would like it too much.

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« Reply #80 on: March 31, 2009, 02:00:30 PM »
Pot has virtually no physical addiction.  This is a fact.  For those that become emotionally dependant, as I mentioned in my previous post and you hit on in your post ( "2) Those that use to numb an emotional pain") have other deep seated issues that will find an outlet in one way or another.  Pot is less physically harmful, less addictive, and less psycologically damaging than alcohol.  Don't confuse use with abuse and vice versa.

Pot IS a gateway, but not the way you are referring to.  Pot is a gateway into the criminal underworld BECAUSE it it illegal, not vice versa. 
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« Reply #81 on: March 31, 2009, 02:06:05 PM »
Pot has virtually no physical addiction.  This is a fact.  For those that become emotionally dependant, as I mentioned in my previous post and you hit on in your post ( "2) Those that use to numb an emotional pain") have other deep seated issues that will find an outlet in one way or another.  Pot less physically harmful, less addictive, and less psycologically damaging than alcohol.  Don't confuse use and abuse.

Pot IS a gateway, but not the way you are referring to.  Pot is a gateway into the criminal underworld BECAUSE it it illegal, not vice versa. 


I JUST HAD A LONG  RANT  SAYING THE SAME THING
THEN HIT THE WRONG BUTTON  AND LOST  IT
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DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
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« Reply #82 on: March 31, 2009, 06:04:19 PM »
To me this debate comes down to core philosophy.  You either believe that people have to be babied and protected by the government or you don't.  If you want to be babied and protected...don't cry when the government takes away your guns for your own good. 

IMO the problem with America is that we continually elect authoritarian politicians that are bull headed and know whats right and want to make whats right in their mind into law.  Take Obama for example.  He obviously hates the freedom to own and bear arms but loves the freedom of abortion. 


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« Reply #83 on: March 31, 2009, 06:44:33 PM »
I agree. Let people make their own choices. Who the heck is the government to tell you if you can smoke pot or not. It’s stupid. Yes, these things are dangerous. So are allot of things you can poison yourself with. Who cares if people want to abuse themselves. Some will live and some will die before their time. So be it.

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« Reply #84 on: April 01, 2009, 05:14:54 AM »
To me this debate comes down to core philosophy.  You either believe that people have to be babied and protected by the government or you don't.  If you want to be babied and protected...don't cry when the government takes away your guns for your own good. 

IMO the problem with America is that we continually elect authoritarian politicians that are bull headed and know whats right and want to make whats right in their mind into law.  Take Obama for example.  He obviously hates the freedom to own and bear arms but loves the freedom of abortion. 




i  can  reduce  the whole  discussion  to a bumper sticker sized statement


''YOU BELEIVE  IN FREEDOM  OR YOU DON'T''
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #85 on: April 01, 2009, 11:39:30 AM »
Pot is often called a "gateway drug" because it opens the door to other, more dangerous drugs.As the users brain becomes numb, they need stronger drugs to reach the same high. Until a person actually tries pot they don't know if they will become an addict or not because it reacts differently in every person. If pot is legalized, many more people will be "trying" it, some will turn into addicts, some won't. I have never used it because I knew that I would like it too much. 

I don't know who told you why pot is called a gateway drug but thats a load of BS.  No offense, but did you get that off of "Reefer Madness" or maybe the 700 Club?  The user's brain does not become numb and therefore they need stronger drugs.  Curiosity makes them go on to harder drugs.  Its the same reason they tried pot in the first place.  Its the reason they tried beer and tobacco before they tried pot but those aren't gateway drugs because they are legal.  We are telling our youth that its ok for grown ups to get high off of alcohol and tobacco but its not ok to get high off of pot, coke, x, and everything else.  Young people have a tendency to question authority and they ask why its ok for you to drink a beer and they can't smoke a joint.  Your response is that pot is illegal and beer isn't.  They ask why is beer legal and pot illegal and your response is because pot is wrong.  They ask why pot is wrong and you respond becuase its illegal.  They think adults are stupid and go off and smoke a joint to see what they are missing.  They find that they don't throw up after smoking too many joints, they don't wake up with a hang over, and the drug dealers don't card.

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Re: Mark this day down...
« Reply #86 on: April 01, 2009, 11:43:57 AM »
Pot is often called a "gateway drug" because it opens the door to other, more dangerous drugs.As the users brain becomes numb, they need stronger drugs to reach the same high. Until a person actually tries pot they don't know if they will become an addict or not because it reacts differently in every person. If pot is legalized, many more people will be "trying" it, some will turn into addicts, some won't. I have never used it because I knew that I would like it too much. 

I don't know who told you why pot is called a gateway drug but thats a load of BS.  No offense, but did you get that off of "Reefer Madness" or maybe the 700 Club?  The user's brain does not become numb and therefore they need stronger drugs.  Curiosity makes them go on to harder drugs.  Its the same reason they tried pot in the first place.  Its the reason they tried beer and tobacco before they tried pot but those aren't gateway drugs because they are legal.  We are telling our youth that its ok for grown ups to get high off of alcohol and tobacco but its not ok to get high off of pot, coke, x, and everything else.  Young people have a tendency to question authority and they ask why its ok for you to drink a beer and they can't smoke a joint.  Your response is that pot is illegal and beer isn't.  They ask why is beer legal and pot illegal and your response is because pot is wrong.  They ask why pot is wrong and you respond becuase its illegal.  They think adults are stupid and go off and smoke a joint to see what they are missing.  They find that they don't throw up after smoking too many joints, they don't wake up with a hang over, and the drug dealers don't card.

So let me "sum this up".  Parents/adults are actually the real gateway!
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Re: Mark this day down...
« Reply #87 on: April 01, 2009, 12:22:44 PM »
Coffee is a gateway drug.  Leads to cocain?  Asprin is a gateway drug.  Leads to pain killers with codein?  My rum that I like to have a shot of on a Saturday night is some kind of gateway drug.  It all boils down to each ones responsibility to do everything in moderation, probably including over eating, which must be a gateway drug for something else I suppose.  Ya, people kill themselves all the time...let em do it, so what, population control is a good thing and the weak/weak minded need to be cropped from the heard somehow I suppose.  How do you keep young people going the right direction?  Cabin44 hit it right on the head.   "Parents/adults are actually the real gateway!"   Now there is a gateway I like. 

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Re: Mark this day down...
« Reply #88 on: April 01, 2009, 01:13:01 PM »
The war on drugs is a failure. Legalize ithe stuff and lets move on to another fight.
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Re: Mark this day down...
« Reply #89 on: April 01, 2009, 02:30:47 PM »
Some positions of responsibility today require drug testing. Mybe this needs to expand.
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