Where the blame for Mexico's illegal guns problem really lies

[FWiedner]

In his article "Mexico's drug violence is hard on Arizona", Washington Post columnist George Will is one of the latest columnists to repeat the myth that American gun stores along the border are the main source for Mexico's drug cartels.

Mr. Will is late to the party and misinformed.

This meme started appearing as far back as the summer of 2008 when the Los Angeles Times started publishing a continuing series of stories titled "Mexico under Siege".

Time and time again the U.S. is blamed for our "lax" gun laws that supposedly allow guns and money to flow south into Mexico, while drugs and human smugglers flow north into the U.S.

It's almost like a coordinated effort exists among the Brady Center, anti-gun news agencies, and the Obama administration to drum up negative press consisting of half-truths, distortions, and downright lies.

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6590

FW Note:  The problem for Americans is not the proliferation of military arms on the Mexican side of the border, but the deliberate campaign of deceit being orchestrated at the highest levels of government to manipulate the mainstream media and public opinion by proliferating the falsehood that these arms are flowing south across the border from legal sources in the USA.

The lies are coming directly from the president of the united states, his secretary of state, and his attorney general with the overt intent to infringe on the 2nd Amendment rights of The American People for the single purpose of disarming the civilian population of weapons suitable to defend themselves against military enforced government tyranny.

 

[kitchawan kid]

They seem to show the same machine guns and grenades over and over again, as if you can buy them at any gun show.

[Gary G]

See what you think about this?

http://fee.org/articles/goal-freedom-drug-war/

[torpedoman]

good article but it is preaching to the choir and will never see the light of day in any media that gets public attention. I think most of the automatic weapons could be traced to the mexican government. They arent available here or the grenades for the grenade launchers.The press the brady bunch are real good at ignoring facts.

[FWiedner]

Don't get caught up in the false connection between drugs and the gun-rights of the American People, and don't allow critics to make that false connection.

 

[Arier Blut]

Hillary Clinton jumped on this band wagon as well. Referred to the 1994 clinton ban and how it reduced arms into mexico and US crimes as well. She was stating the need for a new ban and blaming the current situation on Bush. Truth is there has been less "assault rifle" crimes since the sunset than during according to the NRA.

[Gary G]

There will always be a Black Market where you have prohibition! If there is a cause, it is the government.

[lgm270]

Of course US citizens are not to blame for Mexico's problems. Mexico is and has always been a third world sewer.  It hasn't had a stable government since the Spainish invaded and made the  Indians stop enslaving and eating each other.  The problem is not that Europeans killed so many Mexicans, but that they didn't kill them all.  The result is millions of them flooding inthe US and being paid to have kids that will out vote and take the country away from real Americans.
 
Mexican dysfunctionalism will be used as a battering ram against the  civil rights of American citizens. In the 90's under Clinton, we had the Mexican Bailout.  The hand ful of billionaires who run Mexico decided to default on their debts to the Wall Street Jewish bankers (Goldman Sachs, etc)  and the us government paid those debts, courtesy of the US working taxpayer.   Now, ten years later, we have the Jewish bailout, bailing out Jewish billionaries on Wall Street.

Will the American lemmings ever wake up and stop bailing out billionaires?

[Oldshooter]

Let me see now , we gotta stop bailing out Indians, Jews, and  Mexicans!

So I'm ok to bailout since I'm only a cajun. ya reckon?

We will serve our cause better if we are not considered Racist Bigots!

I'm not in favor of bailing out anyone but to denigrate their race is not the way to make anyone take you seriously!

We are in the struggle of our lives here so we definitely do not need any hindrances like bigotry, just a word of civility here!

[mauser98us]

according to the gubmint,you joe citizen are to blame. As a native Arizonan, I worry bout the Mexican government. It's so corrupt and the violence will escalate. I used to go to Mexico all the time.not anymore.And things you don't hear from the media, the violence has spilt over across the border many times,not unlike Pancho Villa at Columbus New Mexico years ago.I no longer hunt down south near the border. They run thru camp all night long, and If you down leave some armed bodies in camp during the day,all you stuff will disappear. I thinking a good solid fence with the Border patrol and National Guard troops{not federal troops} withagood perimeter defense set up should be tried. It is an invasion.The only thing the govt is taxed to do by the constitution, it refuses to do.

[lgm270]

Let me see now , we gotta stop bailing out Indians, Jews, and  Mexicans!

So I'm ok to bailout since I'm only a cajun. ya reckon?

We will serve our cause better if we are not considered Racist Bigots!

I'm not in favor of bailing out anyone but to denigrate their race is not the way to make anyone take you seriously!

We are in the struggle of our lives here so we definitely do not need any hindrances like bigotry, just a word of civility here!

Whites like you  have kissed the fannies of dysfunctional minorities for half a century and the result is that they still hate us, still call us racist and they've kicked white people out of every major city in the US.  Whites have got to stop crawling on their bellies and stop apologizing for breathing.  We are in a race war.  Mexicans hate white people and mince no words about it.  If you're more afraid of being called names by Mexican vermin,  you've already lost your guts and your country as well.    You can keep crawling on your belly for these "people" and keep apologizing for breathing and they will still consider you  a racist bigot. 

It's not the fault of white people that Mexicans haven't been able to create a decent society in the 500 years they've had their own country. It's not the fault of white people that their only hope for a better life is to run away from their own sewer of a country, to break into ours, and to destroy our public schools, bankrupt our hospitals and ruin our neighborhoods.  I live in Los Angeles and in the last 20 years I've seen them transform  most of metropolitan L.A. County from beautiful communities  city into  filthy stinking Mexican slums.  I go to downtown LA on a fairly regular basis and see them pee on the sidewalk like dogs.  Sorry. My apologies to the dogs.  Dogs pee on the fire hydrant. Mexicans pee on the middle of the sidewalk where you have to walk through it. (Did Mexicans evolve from dogs, or did dogs evolve from Mexicans?)

California has become a political subdivision of Mexico.  We have an affirmative action  Mexican mayor of Los Angeles who failed the California bar exam FOUR TIMES after getting through law school as an affirmative action minority who took the place of a better qualified white student. He's also a former gang banger.     

Mexico's problems are the problems of its dysfunctional population, not American gun owners.  We are being invaded by these people and I have no duty to show them any more respect than Americans showed to Japanese who bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941, on whom we dropped atomic bombs just four years later in 1945.

If you're upset about my comments regarding Mexicans, you must really be pissed about  the  atom bombs we dropped on the Japs.   

[bilmac]

270  There are good and bad folks of every race, you represent the evil side of the white race.

[Oldshooter]

Let me see now , we gotta stop bailing out Indians, Jews, and  Mexicans!

So I'm ok to bailout since I'm only a cajun. ya reckon?

We will serve our cause better if we are not considered Racist Bigots!

I'm not in favor of bailing out anyone but to denigrate their race is not the way to make anyone take you seriously!

We are in the struggle of our lives here so we definitely do not need any hindrances like bigotry, just a word of civility here!

Whites like you  have kissed the fannies of dysfunctional minorities for half a century and the result is that they still hate us, still call us racist and they've kicked white people out of every major city in the US.  Whites have got to stop crawling on their bellies and stop apologizing for breathing.  We are in a race war.  Mexicans hate white people and mince no words about it.  If you're more afraid of being called names by Mexican vermin,  you've already lost your guts and your country as well.    You can keep crawling on your belly for these "people" and keep apologizing for breathing and they will still consider you  a racist bigot. 

It's not the fault of white people that Mexicans haven't been able to create a decent society in the 500 years they've had their own country. It's not the fault of white people that their only hope for a better life is to run away from their own sewer of a country, to break into ours, and to destroy our public schools, bankrupt our hospitals and ruin our neighborhoods.  I live in Los Angeles and in the last 20 years I've seen them transform  most of metropolitan L.A. County from beautiful communities  city into  filthy stinking Mexican slums.  I go to downtown LA on a fairly regular basis and see them pee on the sidewalk like dogs.  Sorry. My apologies to the dogs.  Dogs pee on the fire hydrant. Mexicans pee on the middle of the sidewalk where you have to walk through it. (Did Mexicans evolve from dogs, or did dogs evolve from Mexicans?)

California has become a political subdivision of Mexico.  We have an affirmative action  Mexican mayor of Los Angeles who failed the California bar exam FOUR TIMES after getting through law school as an affirmative action minority who took the place of a better qualified white student. He's also a former gang banger.     

Mexico's problems are the problems of its dysfunctional population, not American gun owners.  We are being invaded by these people and I have no duty to show them any more respect than Americans showed to Japanese who bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941, on whom we dropped atomic bombs just four years later in 1945.

If you're upset about my comments regarding Mexicans, you must really be pissed about  the  atom bombs we dropped on the Japs.   

You Missed the point!
I'm not a fannie kissing "dysfunctional minorities" loving  white. But I'm trying not to project an image of a race hating, skin head acting, sheet wearing, bigot either!
I have a problem with illegal aliens, coming in and becoming a scourge to society. But I dont have a problem with immigrants who come here to better themselves. There are good uns and bad uns. We have our own bad eggs right here, born and bred in the USA. They are of no particular color, race. In the Next Global conflict, our only allies may be the Israelis and the Japanese.  Your problem is not with me pardner, its with your mayor and the lefties that run your state. Frankly from what you have said its time to take it back or Get the hell out a hell!

The point I was making is that if you start every sentence with a racial slur name calling or even a hint of one you are not going to be taken seriously. That jumped out at me in your original post! You see, I sympathise with your argument, but you are preaching to the choir here. Its your government that you need to communicate with, and if you use that sort of speech you will be written off, period!

You Know when I was in college in the 1970 I was approached to Join the Klan, by a fella that spoke of "jews" and "Niggers" and "spics"! After careful thought I resolved not to join cause I figgered that when they where through getting rid of them they were gonna come after me, although I was blond haired and blue eyed, I was a french speaking full blooded Louisiana born cajun!

Hate will get you a lotta places but seldom will get you where you want to be! Is all I was saying! "Hate me if you want to, Love me if you can!"

[lgm270]

First, Mexicans are a nationality...not a race.

Second, there is nothing "racist" or "hateful" about telling the truth.  None of you  who called me a racist have disputed any of the facts that I have reported.  Can you prove I'm wrong?  Do you have evidence that I have misrepresented a single fact about the condition of Mexican occupied Southern California and  the Mexicans' hatred for Americans?

You are not capable of providing evidence, only name calling.   
   

[Oldshooter]

You are still missing the point! I did not call you anything and I agree with you about "some" of what you said!

"I" am saying your language will get your points missed, because folk will ignore your points because they will be turned off by the language you use.

I am not apologising here! Make no mistake, but I regret that I tried to say anything in the first place! It was not to harm, but it seems useless.

[jimster]

I don't think it matters one bit where the guns come from or the drugs....when all you have to do to stop both is close up the borders tight with military...that should solve most of it right there.

Far as the guns being legal...last I knew full auto's had lots of regulations on them already, and I doubt there is anything in writing that says we can get grenades with a special permit either...so it's kind of dumb to even take this any farther than..."let's close up the borders tight".
I got nothing against anyone no matter where their roots are, but if your illegal, you have no business here within our borders. 

When you can't enforce a law that has been written, you'll make more laws later, and when you don't enforce those laws, you'll make more later after that.  That's pretty much what we been doin for the past 30 years or so...to the point where killing someone isn't as bad as...hating them...   Go figure...!  But there is a prime example of laws piled on top of laws.