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Fire in the hole
« on: March 29, 2009, 03:44:45 PM »
What is the origin of this term?

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Re: Fire in the hole
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2009, 04:33:58 PM »
Do a search and you'll find LOTS of opinions.  I would trust something reputable, like the Oxford English Dictionary, who's objective is to document every meaning of EVERY word in the English language.  Volume "A" is a book about 10" thick.
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Re: Fire in the hole
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2009, 06:02:46 PM »
     Glad you asked, Spuddy.  What Tim from the wine works in pulaski says is certainly correct.  Citations for phrases as useful as this one are hard to find.  One of the best is the one we found at "The Word Detective" website.  The worst was the wikipedia entry which was, for the most part, pure bovine excrement.  Find the best below.  The word detective names the most probable origin, namely, the mining industry and the current use in the U.S. Army of a simple warning that the detonation of explosives nearby is about to occur.  The use of this phrase in connection with firing of artillery is incorrect although a very widespread phenomenon. 

     The cannon firing warning, or in the Military parlance, command, is a two-part forceful voice communication which is represented like this:

          Preparatory Command:   Ready

          Command of execution:  FIRE!

     Troops in the Army's Corps of Engineers who detonate booby traps with explosives as well as hundreds of other tasks which require explosive detonations, use this term most frequently, as do troops of other branches as necessary.  A common way this is accomplished safely is to call out "Fire in the hole" three times at roughly 120 degree intervals on the compass then wait  9 or 10 seconds for someone to reply back with "wait, wait, I'm over here" (in the danger zone) to halt the process.   


    Dear Word Detective:  I’ve been trying to find the definitive origin of the expression “fire in the hole,” but only can find hypotheses, not a substantiated origin.  Can you help? — Barbara Garrett.

Let’s make a deal.  I’ll tell you where the phrase comes from if you solemnly promise never to use it yourself.  Same goes for anyone reading this column.  Stop reading right now unless you agree.  You in the Star Trek pajamas with the Doritos, was that a yes?  OK, we’re on.

Sorry to be cranky, but there are some popular language fads that really boil my bunny, and the apparent rage for shouting “Fire in the hole!” at every opportunity is at the top of my list right now.  It seems to be on the tip of the tongue of every aging frat boy, the type who ten years ago was still punctuating every third sentence with “Not!”  There’s even a genre of “Fire in the Hole” YouTube videos that showcase twerps shouting the phrase as they throw soft drinks at hapless fast-food clerks at drive-through windows.  It’s the title of a Steely Dan song, for Pete’s sake.  So don’t be lame.  Just say no.

As commonly used as a catchphrase today, “fire in the hole” means “watch out,” “stand back,” or “something exciting and/or important is about to happen.”  It’s become an all-purpose synonym of “heads up!”

But the origins of “fire in the hole” lie deep in the history of perhaps the most dangerous civilian occupation on earth, underground coal mining.  For much of its history in the US, such mining has depended on the use of black powder or dynamite to loosen the rock.  When the charges had been placed, just before detonation, the cry “Fire in the hole!” was a warning to miners to clear the area and prepare for the explosion.  Far from being an antiquated custom, the phrase is still legally required to be shouted in many states (Illinois mining regulations specify “The shot firer must give a loud, verbal warning such as ‘fire in the hole’ at least three (3) times before blasting”).  “Fire in the hole,” like coal mining itself, is deadly serious business, which is why the current frivolous use of the phrase ticks me off.

“Fire in the hole” dates back at least to the early 20th century, and was adopted in the 1940s by military bomb disposal teams, as well as by soldiers tossing grenades into enclosed spaces (such as tunnels) where “blow-back” might be expected.  Interestingly, moonshiners in  Appalachia in the 1920s (many of whom were from mining communities) also shouted the phrase to warn of the approach of “revenuers” (government agents), occasionally detonating sticks of dynamite for emphasis.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Fire in the hole
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2009, 11:25:28 PM »
Thanks Mike and Tracy.  I have seen it used alot on You Tube cannon videos and wondered how appropriate is was.  I am a bit skeptical of wikipedia.  Thanks for the info. 

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Re: Fire in the hole
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2009, 02:40:47 AM »
 I frequently hear this term at work, and I'm thankfull for it.

 We have a lab with two inspectors who I visit daily. One of the guys eats certain ethnic foods that must be, uhhh... high in sulfites?

 When I open the door, the other gentleman will often shout it out as a warning.

 It's saved me a number of times...
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Re: Fire in the hole
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2009, 09:13:24 AM »
This term is seldom heard in UK cannonry - You are more likely to hear - "Have a Care", which seems to originate from at least English Civil War days. My gun team was Victorian. We used "Stand by" - then "Fire".
I always thought that "Have a Care" was a rather Dickhead thing to shout...... a bit too camp for a big burly gunner........"Ooooh, have a care, dear".........
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Re: Fire in the hole
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2009, 10:09:18 AM »
This term is seldom heard in UK cannonry - You are more likely to hear - "Have a Care", which seems to originate from at least English Civil War days. My gun team was Victorian. We used "Stand by" - then "Fire".
I always thought that "Have a Care" was a rather Dickhead thing to shout...... a bit too camp for a big burly gunner........"Ooooh, have a care, dear".........

Agree, but then there is that satisfaction of that thundering boooom teaching respect to those who didn't have a care!   :D
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