Author Topic: Montana special #3 (Read 1540 times)

devildog · « **on:** September 07, 2003, 09:53:52 AM »

Does anyone know when they will be available? I heard in September but not the date.

trappnman · « **Reply #1 on:** September 07, 2003, 12:02:32 PM »

talked to gerald this weekend- and he had hoped to have traps by this date. traps are en route and should arrive shortly

Mallard · « **Reply #2 on:** September 08, 2003, 06:14:48 AM »

Coyote trap? Anyone have the basic description?

Edge · « **Reply #3 on:** September 08, 2003, 06:54:39 AM »

Montgomery #3 Dogless.

Edge

Saw the trap again this weekend,looked @ it withGerald,he went over some of the changes made after the original prototype.Should be very impressive trap and not unreasonably costly.
I've only met and talked with Gerald a couple times,but I can say with conviction,that if he is putting his name behind something,it will be of high quality and backed by excellent service.

Edge

Bogmaster · « **Reply #4 on:** September 08, 2003, 10:04:41 AM »

Gerald called me this morning,trap should be available some time next month. I will be carrying them, so I will anounce on here when the are available. Tom

trappnman · « **Reply #5 on:** September 08, 2003, 01:57:45 PM »

I personally think that it would be faster shipping by truck, etc.....but if you want to carry them Tom...well, I guess that would be ok....

(they can't be any heavier than your trailer..)

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #6 on:** September 08, 2003, 02:08:48 PM »

It doesn't matter how heavy Boggy's trailer is as long as he has you to lug it around :-)

lynx/cat-trapper · « **Reply #7 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:35:58 AM »

Dont forget John Graham....the Montana special is a "joint" effort between the two of them. John is a FIRM beliver/useer in the #3 dogless Monty's...hence out comes the Montana special(gee..I believe John lives in Montana..lol). I viewed them in June at the Western NTA..sweeeeet.
later
lynx

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #8 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:48:16 AM »

I spoke with John and examined the traps. They are for sure #3 Monty Dogless. Seems that they are of heavier steel than the originals. The spring pins are long enough to accept four coiling. Offset jaws however, will be via welded lugs. They will be shipped with two 4-way swivels and about 18 inches of chain.

The draw back for me (and I too like and own a number of #3 dogless) is that pan tensioning will be down via an under-pan spring. I just know what I'd be in fore with those and I still like to exclude most fox, cotton tails and jacks. The trap is a dandy sized smack between a #2 and #3 Bridger. They pric Ive heard was under $12 but don't go quoting me on this ...my mind has been known to slip especially when I want to own something.

WhiteMtnCur · « **Reply #9 on:** September 09, 2003, 04:29:38 AM »

Edge: "he went over some of the changes made after the original prototype. Should be very impressive trap"

What changes are going to be incorporated in the production trap that differ from the prototype? I talked with John Graham on Saturday and handled the trap and he said that aside from adding offset lugs, the trap will be about what they already have. I'm not trying to pit one against another, I just would like to know for myself.

On the subject of pan tension, with dogless traps you can file the notch to achieve your desired pan tension, up to 4 1/2lbs or thereabouts if you like.

Does anyone happen to have an exact inside jawspread measurement for the trap?

trappnman · « **Reply #10 on:** September 09, 2003, 04:58:18 AM »

didn't you start a big hoo-rah on the negative points of this trap on another forum a while back?

Main thing with be that the levers will come up higher on the production trap and the pan will be thicker.

WhiteMtnCur · « **Reply #11 on:** September 09, 2003, 05:01:18 PM »

Please excuse me for being objective.

Start it? Not really. Just one of several to offer constructive criticism through our opinions of the prototype.

Does anyone have an actual jawspread measurement of the trap? I've heard 5 1/4" - 6". When I set the trap it seemed about 5 1/2". Just wondering what the actual measurement is.

Edge · « **Reply #12 on:** September 09, 2003, 05:30:54 PM »

The changes discussed were what Tman says....I didn't mean to exclude Mr Graham from the trap;I have never met,nor do I know him,thus I didn't mention his name.Didn't mean to hurt any feelings.
As far as the jawspread goes,I think 5 1/2" is about right and Wacky is right about it being betwixt a 2 and 3 Bridger.I have no intention of owning any,but wish the team the best.It can't be easy entering into an undertaking such as this.

Edge

trappnman · « **Reply #13 on:** September 10, 2003, 02:04:17 AM »

I was referring to the part where you started off by saying Marty trashed the trap, and then Marty responded that NO, he did not trash the trap- that in fact he liked the trap and with the improvements will be working to get it legal in Canada. A misrepentation at best on your part.

Then with the resurrance and tone of the topic here, I questioned your intended objectivity.

My pardons for misunderstanding.

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #14 on:** September 10, 2003, 02:42:17 AM »

Back to trap jaws...without going out with a tape the #2 Bridger is 5.5 and the #3 is 6.5 inches at the dog. Sooooo...and I didn't ask John the dimensions :oops: ...I'll just say 6" yeh thats it, I'll bet any mans money that they're 6".
See how helpful this place is when we're not sure we'll make it up and tell you that we're doin it :lol:

Hey Stuffy, how bout runnin out to that trailer and gettin a #3 Montana and messurin it for us. :roll:

Bogmaster · « **Reply #15 on:** September 10, 2003, 04:23:50 AM »

I can't run out and measure what is'nt available yet.But I will do the next best thing.I will ask when I talk to Gerald. How will that be Mr. Quackers?

Tom

Bogmaster · « **Reply #16 on:** September 10, 2003, 04:51:20 AM »

Wacky,I was told by Gerald that the trap should be available next month.He will have a finnished trap to look at in a day or two.The inside jaw spread is around 5 15/16 inches.More info later in the week when he has one in his hand. Tom

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #17 on:** September 10, 2003, 04:54:31 AM »

My Boggy you're early today...and payin attention too :eek:

So I'm working on my traps and set three traps to messure here is what I found;

.................. inside .......outside........X.......frame at hinge

Bridger#3........6"...........6.5"........................... 6.5"

Monty#3........5.5"..........5 7/8".........................6"

Bridger#2......5.5"..........5 7/8"..........................5.5"

If the Montana#3 is a copy of the Monty it falls between the #2 & #3. Side by side the old Montys "look" much bigger than the #2 Bridgers. That extra "width" adds a lot of surface area.

Stuffy I knew that the traps aren't here yet. I just wanted to see how long it would take you to figure it out...and you passed :-D

WhiteMtnCur · « **Reply #18 on:** September 10, 2003, 05:07:06 PM »

I apologize for detracting from the topic at hand.

Please show me where I "trashed" the trap, or where I stated Marty "trashed" the trap. It isn't there.

There were claims that Marty loved the new trap. I knew such was not the case and said so. I wasn't trashing the trap, just pointing out the improvements I feel should be made to the prototype.

With only the double laminated Bridger #3 and the Belisle Foot Snare doing well on the Canadian Standards Testing, any trap that can catch a coyote is being tested to find a more affordable alternative. Hence the reason for the request to have the Montana #3 Special tested in Canada.

My interest in trap? I'm about to order 20 dozen Bridger #3's and the Montana #3 Special holds my interest due to the dogless design. I've looked into it rather seriously because of that.

Drifter1 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 27, 2003, 09:16:22 AM »

Heard any more news on the Montana #3 yet ? I am very interested in them here . Just can't have too many toys ya know .

Drifter

Wackyquacker · « **Reply #20 on:** September 27, 2003, 07:12:32 PM »

I spoke to John last Tuesday or Wedensday. They finally got the manufacture to get the details the way they wanted and the traps are enroute. They air freiaghted something like 24 doz in and the rest should arrive soon(?). John was happy that they pushed to get they quality that they wanted.

yoteskinner · « **Reply #21 on:** October 03, 2003, 10:28:05 PM »

I spoke to Gerald yesterday. He is saying sometime later this month.