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question about owning property and property tax
« on: March 30, 2009, 11:54:15 AM »
Say I buy some land and throw a cabin on it with cash up front. Say $100,000. Is it really mine since I have to pay property taxes? If I don't pay, State Govt will come and take it away? I think TX is the only state where they cannot and will not toss you out.
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Re: question about owning property and property tax
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2009, 12:03:49 PM »
In Texas if you dont pay, for I think 8 years, Someone can pay the taxes and claim the land! Now if its your homestead, and you claim it so, there might be some leeway. But in the end if you dont pay you loose the land!
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Re: question about owning property and property tax
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2009, 12:04:28 PM »
You will have to pay property tax every year even if it does not have a cabin on it. After you add the cabin they will reaccess your property and you taxes will go up because the property is worth more now. That is they way it is here anyways. Dale
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2009, 12:18:54 PM »
One way to look at it.  "No one owns land anymore, they rent it from the government".
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Re: question about owning property and property tax
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2009, 12:19:44 PM »
So you never really own a damn thing that the govt cannot take away.

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Re: question about owning property and property tax
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2009, 12:28:47 PM »
Where I live,N.Y. they do give you a brake for 65 or older,but now our governor is trying to get rid of that,why give us old people a chance,we only been paying taxes for 50 yrs.
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Re: question about owning property and property tax
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2009, 12:38:51 PM »
My father sold the farm in Upstate NY back in 06. He couldn't afford the property taxes any longer. Made a profit and stays with his girlfriend now. He was paying a kings ransom every quarter and he paid some $43k for it after WWII. The more I think about buying some land, the more I think I won't ever. I can't afford too. I think the best days of the USA are behind my generation X. You all that fought in WWII and Korea if you made it had some decent years. I don't think I have a chance in hell to ever retire or live well.
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Re: question about owning property and property tax
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2009, 12:53:07 PM »
Where I live,N.Y. they do give you a brake for 65 or older,but now our governor is trying to get rid of that,why give us old people a chance,we only been paying taxes for 50 yrs.
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Re: question about owning property and property tax
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2009, 02:54:26 PM »
per tax payer that comes out to $70,878 per the 156 million that paid taxes of 2007. Not sure about the other folks that don't pay federal taxes.
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Re: question about owning property and property tax
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2009, 02:59:37 PM »
I can't speak for New England states but around here the taxes on Ag ground are a joke.  Just today I looked at 172 acres that will sell for something around 300k.  Taxes per year?  $700.  Anyone who can afford the 300k but not the 700 is very, very bad at math.

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« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2009, 03:09:31 PM »
about $1800/acre
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2009, 03:12:24 PM »
I worked for a woman in Dublin OH for more than a year. She lived on the golf course in a sub divison called Tartan Fields. These are very wealthy people that live there. There are sports stars and other high profile people in her neighborhood. The guy that started Wendy's resturant son lives a couple streets over. Her home was worth more than a million dollars. She was telling me one day that her property tax there a year was something like $25,000.00. That does not include what she pays Tartan Fields to live there witch is several more thousand dollars. I just shake my head in alw over that. I could not even imagne those kind of taxes. Dale
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2009, 03:39:40 PM »
Back in Tennessee, and down in Texas, families I know have had to sell the farm and ranch when the old folks died.  Even thou it was left to the sons and daughters, they could not afford the inheritance tax and the property taxes.  The old folks were usually getting an exemption or some kind of break on the taxes.  The kids were not eligible

 for the same break. 

Here in Alaska my being a Disabled Vet I don't have to pay property taxes.  But the borough assembly has been looking at changing that. 

The wife has applied for a job in Virginia, can't convince her taxes will more than eat up any raises she may get moving there.

I'm looking at selling everything, getting a Goldwing and traveling by my self.  Beats moving to Virginia.
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Re: question about owning property and property tax
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2009, 03:58:34 PM »
One way to look at it.  "No one owns land anymore, they rent it from the government".
  send this boy to the head of the class, The idea of home ownership is a great idea for the banks and the government by the time you figgure out what you paid in intrest to the bank and taxes to the government and upkeep and maintaince, YOU'VE BEEN HAD. makes a pinto pony and a travios look like the right idea.
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Re: question about owning property and property tax
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2009, 04:04:33 PM »
I worked for a woman in Dublin OH for more than a year. She lived on the golf course in a sub divison called Tartan Fields. These are very wealthy people that live there. There are sports stars and other high profile people in her neighborhood. The guy that started Wendy's resturant son lives a couple streets over. Her home was worth more than a million dollars. She was telling me one day that her property tax there a year was something like $25,000.00. That does not include what she pays Tartan Fields to live there witch is several more thousand dollars. I just shake my head in alw over that. I could not even imagne those kind of taxes. Dale


I bet twenty years ago it was farm land that wasn't worth nothing but a few thousand dollars per acre.
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Re: question about owning property and property tax
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2009, 04:20:20 PM »
Fellas its all relative, if you wana live in Manhattan your gonna pay thru the nose! If you can live rurally ( thats out in the country) then it will be cheaper, initially and taxes both. but buy land when you can and as much as you can. That has always been true. Its how many in this country became rich. you just have to buy low as you can get it. Property Taxes like death are a sure thing. The further you get from "town" the better the taxes will be. But they will be!
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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2009, 05:07:05 PM »
When I lived in New Jersey I was paying over $4,000/yr property taxes for a 75 year old, 900 SQ/ft house & one car detached garage sitting on 1/3 acre. 

 
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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2009, 05:16:41 PM »
Too bad most of my generation X'ers don't have squat. Since graduation from college (1999) I have seen nothing but recession and marginal gains. Milk going from $1.25 to $4, and everything else fly through the roof as well. There is no way my generation is going to make when the Baby Boomers retire en mass. It is over for most of us under 40. There is now a large grey ceiling that won't be able to retire and they will not give up decent paying jobs and a Y generation that is 70 million strong willing to crush my generation.

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Re: question about owning property and property tax
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2009, 05:35:56 PM »
I really feel for you younger folk, I have 7 young adults trying to break into the world and its a tuff row to hoe!  I'm afraid that with the things going on now it will not get better soon. "WE" have let you down because we didn't guard against this kinda BS well enough but i hope before i die that this Country can be prosperous again.  I'm offering mine to come her to the place and live here and prosper. We will build them each a home and protect each other, but you know how the young feel about coming back home! I wish all of you younger folk the best and maybe you can make a difference! Endeavor to persevere
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Re: question about owning property and property tax
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2009, 05:43:42 PM »
My father sold the farm in Upstate NY back in 06. He couldn't afford the property taxes any longer. Made a profit and stays with his girlfriend now. He was paying a kings ransom every quarter and he paid some $43k for it after WWII. The more I think about buying some land, the more I think I won't ever. I can't afford too. I think the best days of the USA are behind my generation X. You all that fought in WWII and Korea if you made it had some decent years. I don't think I have a chance in hell to ever retire or live well.

If he was still farming the land or had just $1,500.00 a year income from either a farm product such as livestock or a crop or leased the land to someone for that amount or more than his property should have been taxed at the agricultural amount which is much lower than the tax rate on non agricultural land.
That is the way it is here in VA.
Where they will really get you is in capital gains tax when you sell.
Most farms were bought many many years ago at a lower price but are now worth considerably more and the difference is called capitol gains or profit.
Even then you only have to pay the higher land tax for the last five years that you owned the land, (provided it was still a working farm with at least 1,500.00 a year income), and if you are smart you make the buyer pay that back tax.

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Back in Tennessee, and down in Texas, families I know have had to sell the farm and ranch when the old folks died.  Even thou it was left to the sons and daughters, they could not afford the inheritance tax and the property taxes.

If the parents would have taken out a life insurance policy on themselves in their kids name, then when they die the policy would not go into their estate and there for is not taxable because the kids would own the policy and could use that insurance money to pay the inheritance tax.

My father owns a 232 acre farm here in VA and that is what we have done.
I have a $500,000 life insurance policy on him in my name that will be used to pay the taxes when he dies.
The parents are allowed to give tax free up to $10,000.00 a year per parent per child.
The child then writes a check to the insurance company using that money to pay for the policy.
This does two things.
First it pays for the policy and it also gets that amount out of their estate when they die.
I don't know what the amount is right now, it was the first million dollars of an estate is tax exempt.

There are ways to keep the government from getting their hands on all of it, if you just take the time to learn the little tricks that most big business use all the time.

Don't get me wrong, the government will still take a big cut, this is just a way of keeping their cut a lot smaller.


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« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2009, 05:55:37 PM »
My best years were 2003 - 07. My salary was dog low of $30k (2000 - 06) and when we moved to NE it jumped to $48k. Then we moved to VT and I haven't worked since June 2008. No work up here at all. Short term cutting firewood, some paint jobs, hauling hay, mending fences, but no management positions with any decent corporation. Just think, Pre-law BS degree and tons of experience = no work. Doesn't help moving so much, but my wife was trying to get through residency, fellowship, and now cannot find a job. She is a damn doctor and no one will hire her. She has had three interview and none since January....not even a call back on her resume/CV. I can't believe it, I really can't believe a doctor can't find a job. Come August the Fellowship is over and her student loans come due.... $230K in student loans. We are FUBAR. She is scared shitless and so am I. If she doesn't find a position I am going to have a fire sale on everything I own just to get us out of VT.
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« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2009, 06:04:41 PM »
Pardner come to Texas! you can write your ticket. There is a shortage of doctors here! As far as you are concerned there are refineries still building here and in Houston, Check it out! Gotta be something for you in  southeast Texas!
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« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2009, 06:28:42 PM »
We are trying to get South, prefer SC, GA,VA, NC. She did a Fellowship here in VT. Nice place, just not any work. She has applied in Austin, but no one is hiring nationwide it seems for Anesthesiologists. Even recruiters can't place her. Recruiters can't place anyone.  Word on the street is that everyone that was going to retire...is officially not going to as they lost 25 - 50% of what they had in stocks, bonds, etc... I have spent the last few months calling hospitals around the country trying to find her work... and some responses...nothing now call back in six months, hiring freeze, unsure about the economy, no one retired so we aren't looking, worried about healthcare reform. There are three fellows here and not one has a job yet. It really sucks to watch your wife cry about this and she has oral boards coming in April. Worlds most brutal exam.
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« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2009, 06:39:23 PM »
Since you mentioned VA, we have a pretty large medical center here in WINCHESTER.
Don't know if they are hiring but it's worth checking into.
They say it is one of the top profit MCs in the country.

As for your degree in pre-law, I don't know.
There are a lot of lawyers around and we are close enough to DC (only about 80 miles) maybe something there.

Might be worth a try.


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Re: question about owning property and property tax
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2009, 07:15:41 PM »
Since you mentioned VA, we have a pretty large medical center here in WINCHESTER.
Don't know if they are hiring but it's worth checking into.
They say it is one of the top profit MCs in the country.

As for your degree in pre-law, I don't know.
There are a lot of lawyers around and we are close enough to DC (only about 80 miles) maybe something there.

Might be worth a try.


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I have them on the Excel spreadsheet I made up by state. Not hiring presently. Appreciated though. I have called every hospital and anesthesia group in SC, NC, VA and working on GA now. There just aren't any jobs. Gaffney SC had a job, but has two applicants on second interviews. There is a hospital in Laurinburg NC - Scotland Hospital that may show promise but no returned phone call yet, just a packet of info. We are worried as it takes about six months of bureaucratic BS to get licensed first and the cost is around $800 - 1200 per state. We have four months left here. Then either of us have a paycheck or a place to go. My father gave me $5k to help us move just in case ultimate failure occurs, but at 82 he really doesn't need my BS problems. Right now we have enough cash to get us through three or four months and if I sell everything we might get through six months. My largest concern is the $230K coming due. She has deferred that through residency and fellowship. I don't think we can defer that any longer. I deferred my $33k in student loans in September. Man, this sucks. Too bad my wife's side of the family is just a bunch of broke ass hippies. I hope in ten years I can laugh about this, but reality set in and we don't have too many options.
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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2009, 07:35:20 PM »
Here in Ohio, big part of our property tax's go to the schools. I said this for years, and I have 2 boys that will be in the school system for the next 11 years. I'll be glad to pay a school tax, as long as I have children in the local schools. As soon as their out, that should be it. My city tax is for local govt., state tax for the state, income tax for the fed's. Gas tax for the roads. Biggest drawback is the amount of family's with kids in the school system, that couldn't pay a school tax. They live in an apartment. Govt. aid. No property tax. Actually they do pay property tax. It's in the rent. And when you figure that there is 200 family's living in an area the size of property that I own, 6 acre's, it doesn't boil down to a fair shake. Whole lot of home owners around my area carrying the load that they shouldn't have to. gypsyman
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« Reply #26 on: March 30, 2009, 07:38:48 PM »
I pay $14,000 per year in property tax. Thanks to Kalifornia.
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« Reply #27 on: March 30, 2009, 08:05:06 PM »
Glad I don't live in Kalifornia. Here's my situation here in Ohio. I pay a little over $4,000 a year, for 1700sq.ft. home,little over 6 acre's,30x40 pole barn and a 31/2 car garage. I live in Lucas county, which encompases Toledo, but I actually live in a city called Oregon. The county commisioners have already said their going to raise property tax's, they are running out of money. All of the commisioners live in Toledo. Their losing revenue because of abandened home's. Economy is going down around here, most of the industry was auto related.(GM,Jeep,Chrysler,Ford)
They already said, your house will be re-evaluated, which means higher, even though housing price's around continue to decline drastically. So even though the value of my house has dropped in the last 12-18 month's, I'm going to be paying more. Mostly for a city, that I don't even live in. Don't ya just love politicians!! gypsyman
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« Reply #28 on: March 30, 2009, 08:33:22 PM »
Foxxtrot, sorry to hear that.
I hope things turn around for you and the wife.
The same goes for all who are faceing such hard times.

Things are tough for us also as a small business owner.
The only good thing is I don't owe any money and have been able to save when things were good.


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« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2009, 03:55:56 AM »
I have long term optimism, but the next six months have me really worried. If my wife can find work, well doctors make great salaries for the most part. I couldn't do the 4 years of medical school studies, the 80 hour weeks for four years of residency, constant studies for exams that are more brutal than anything I have ever tested for, and no pay to boot. She is taking it very hard, after 13 years of working her ass off, she figured there would be a job at the end that paid off and set us free somewhat.
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