Author Topic: Any chance you'll buy a GM car now? (Read 2106 times)

Questor · « **on:** March 30, 2009, 03:09:22 PM »

If GM had simply gone into Chapter 7 bankruptcy, I'd probably consider buying a GM car because there would be good deals and the company would come back in one form or another. Now that the government is controlling it, there is not a snowball's chance in Tegucigalpa that I would buy any GM product because of the problems coming for that company.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 30, 2009, 03:17:54 PM »

As long as its not owned or run by the obamanation and his communist party yes. If they are run by them, NO!

I have over $2500 in GM rebate dollars that I can use towards a car/truck purchase. The wife and I thought that we would wait till the fall to trade one of our cars for another GM truck. Forget it now and I mean it. I will walk away from the $2500 on the basis of principal. The obamanation and his communist loving unions can go screw them selves. If I can help put a nail in their coffin I rather do that.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #2 on:** March 30, 2009, 03:24:11 PM »

I have been a GM man all my life along with my wifes family. It is the unions that have ruined them and all the other US car makers. The wages are so high they can not compete with China or Japan. I think they should not have been bailed out. They are throwing good money after bad. The bail out just prolonged what is going to happen anyways. Dale

Sourdough · « **Reply #3 on:** March 30, 2009, 03:56:48 PM »

Nope!

In my entire life I have owned only one GM vehicle, it has given me more trouble than any vehicle I have ever owned. Even the dealer admits he can not fix several of the problems it has. Since it is out of warranty, the dealership refuses to even look at it. Some car maker. I'll never own another one, it's Ford or Honda for me from now on. I'm really leaning towards the Honda since it's American made. My Ford was made in Canada.

Foxxtrot · « **Reply #4 on:** March 30, 2009, 05:36:53 PM »

Chevy makes expensive vehicles. Quality isn't there at all. I don't see myself ever owning a new vehicle (not worth it), so my max spend on a vehicle is $15,000 used with low miles. Not many American manufactures have a decent used vehicle researching on Edmunds, cars.com, etc....

I own a Toyota Tacoma and it is a great little truck. I wouldn't part with it and was the first vehicle I have owned. I didn't drive until I was 24.

Graybeard · « **Reply #5 on:** March 30, 2009, 05:45:53 PM »

Wasn't gonna anyway. Besides I don't do cars anymore.

My last two GM vehicles were an '82 Olds Delta 88 Royale and an '83 Chevy Silverado I traded the Olds on. Both were at the dealership about as much as my house while I owned them. I've never ever in my life had more troublesome vehicles and that includes a lot bought used with high mileage on them.

I traded that Silverado on an '85 Ford Bronco and swore I'd never own another GM product. So far I've not.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #6 on:** March 30, 2009, 05:47:10 PM »

Had a problem with GM a few years ago so I was out before now!

Had thought today, They(Obmama) fired that guy because he wouldnt tow the the line he wasnt gonna build no eclectric green cars like obama wanted or not as many as he wanted. Or he wouldnt kiss the union behinds it will be interesting to find out what was said in that meeting

LONGTOM · « **Reply #7 on:** March 30, 2009, 06:22:00 PM »

To each his own.
My family has been three generations GM and have had very little problems with them except for one truck in 1985 and the paint on three or four.
The paint problem was the same for Ford so I can't really harp to much on that.
Never bought to many used ones of any brand.
From 1965 til 1998 we averaged over 100,000 miles a year on a truck almost always pulling loaded trailers.
All but two were stick shifts and can say we never tore a trans out or a clutch.
We did get a few clutches rough that they would jerk some when you let them out.
I guess I have used a Chevy one ton as hard as anyone over the years.
I would pull a 53.5' flatbed trailer that weighed 8900lbs and go to NC and load 24,000lbs of plywood on it at least once a month.
With the three fuel tanks full and me in it I was grossing a little over 43,000lbs so I can't really complain about the rough clutches!
We only ever had two motors let go and one of them had a miss in it the day I picked it up at the dealership.
It cut loose at around 45,000 miles.
Had a few Fords and didn't have any more or less trouble with them than we did the Chevys.
Right now we own 9 Chevys.
The oldest is a 1979 K10 and the newest is a 2004 Trailblazer.

Would I ever buy a new one again?
Probably not.
Only because there are too many good used ones on the market for much less $$$.
Can't say I would never own something not made by GM as you never know what may be, but if I had my choice it would still be a GM.
Just not a new one as long as THE LIAR IN THE WHITE HOUSE has anything to do with them!

LONGTOM

mirage1988 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 30, 2009, 06:22:41 PM »

My current driver is a 2002 chev 2500hd. It is the newest vehicle I've ever owned and also the best i've ever owned. Rides a bit rough, mpg could be a little better, but it gets me where I want to go along with ANYTHING I want to bring with. You can have your tacomas and ridgelines, I have a towstrap in the box for you, I'll pull you out if you buy lunch!

mirage1988 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 30, 2009, 06:26:36 PM »

Longtom-
The paint problem was because the gov't tried to make the automakers switch to a "greener paint" or face sanctions. I had a 84 chev that the whole front clip faded out on, the dealer said it was normal!?

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #10 on:** March 30, 2009, 07:22:23 PM »

Quote from: mirage1988 on March 30, 2009, 06:22:41 PM

My current driver is a 2002 chev 2500hd. It is the newest vehicle I've ever owned and also the best i've ever owned. Rides a bit rough, mpg could be a little better, but it gets me where I want to go along with ANYTHING I want to bring with. You can have your tacomas and ridgelines, I have a towstrap in the box for you, I'll pull you out if you buy lunch!

+1 on the Silverado. The best truck I ever owned was a 2003 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD. It had the 6 liter 8 cylnder motor in it an it passed everything but the gas station. That truck went everywhere I wanted to go. I never took it mud bogging in deep mud holes but I went to many job sites where my truck was the only one that made it there with pretty bad mud. I did have pretty agressive tires on it though. The only thing I did not like about it was it only got about 12 miles to a gallon. I have to say though I even run it through about 2 feet of snow several times and it never left me a little worried I was not going to get to where I was going. Dale

LONGTOM · « **Reply #11 on:** March 30, 2009, 07:52:29 PM »

Quote from: mirage1988 on March 30, 2009, 06:26:36 PM

Longtom-
The paint problem was because the gov't tried to make the automakers switch to a "greener paint" or face sanctions. I had a 84 chev that the whole front clip faded out on, the dealer said it was normal!?

I will disagree on that.
The real reason was they were using coated metal with out any primer.
The trailer company I use to be a dealler for was useing the same type of metal and it wasn't until a couple of years worth of production that we figured out what the problem was.
Neither paint or standard primer would stick to the coated metal.
You had to use epoxy primer.
Standard primer would not stick to the coated surface.
The problem would not show up until the metal went through the contraction caused by the cold of winter.
The trailer company was able to buy zink-chromate primer at the time off the military at $90.00 a gal in 55gal drums and that wouldn't even stick.
You could take the very same coated metal and sandblast it to get the coating off or sand the coating off and then any standard primer would stick just fine.
We worked two years with DUPONT and PPG trying to correct the problem.
For two years after the company quit useing the metal we were still repainting trailers free for our customers.
This problem cost the company and myself many of thousands of dollars to satisfy our customers

It is just about the same as a new galvanized roof on a barn.
You can't paint it the first couple of years until some of the galvanize coating wears off or the paint won't stick.

Sorry mirage:
I re-read what you said and your problem was not the same.
Yours was the fading problem.
Our problem was with pealing paint.
I beleave the light silver color paints were the worst for fading.
I know I had several that was dark brown or dark any color and I never had a problem with fading.

LONGTOM

mirage1988 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 30, 2009, 07:53:42 PM »

Cabin4-
If you are serious about giving away that gift card-Ill take it! Then I can have some embroidered tow straps made. For 2500$ I could get a toyota, honda, nissan and a ford one made and have enough left for a tank of gas and lunch on the way home.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 30, 2009, 07:55:36 PM »

The best everyday truck I ever owned was also a 2002 Silverado Z71 4x4. I traded it in at 83k miles and never did anything to it other than normal mant. Still had the original brakes on all corners. I still have a 2002 GMC Envoy. It only has 56k miles but still, not one single issue with it either. Both have taken a pretty good beating off road at times. Still have a 2004 Impala with 54k miles and again low miles but what a great car. Last year I picked up a 2008 Tahoe and I like it but really miss the pick up. I've been thinking about adding a Silverado crew cab in a 3/4 ton. But I'm going to wait out the BS thats going on with GM.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 30, 2009, 07:59:20 PM »

Quote from: mirage1988 on March 30, 2009, 07:53:42 PM

Cabin4-
If you are serious about giving away that gift card-Ill take it! Then I can have some embroidered tow straps made. For 2500$ I could get a toyota, honda, nissan and a ford one made and have enough left for a tank of gas and lunch on the way home.

I said I'll walk away from it not give it away....

Maybe I'll sell it for 50% of the face value.

LONGTOM · « **Reply #15 on:** March 30, 2009, 08:13:49 PM »

Cabin, if you are looking for another truck I have a 2001 2500HD crewcab short bed 4x4 with 88000 I would sell.
Six speed with the 350HP 8100 motor.
All electric, windows, mirrors, locks, bucket seats, running boards.
Near mint.
Red with tan inside.

Also have a 02 3500HD Dually 4x4 with the same set up except it has the Allison automatic with heated leather and more stainless steel add ons than you could ever want.
Has around 58,000.
Gunmetal gray with gray inside.

Just a thought!

LONGTOM

Cabin4 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 31, 2009, 03:11:53 AM »

Longtom,

Thanks for mentioning them. I will keep it in mind. The 3500HD sounds like great.

C4

oldandslow · « **Reply #17 on:** March 31, 2009, 04:52:05 AM »

I have driven a lot of GM vehicles over the years and if they are still around when it is time for another that's what I will buy. They have all been good cars and trucks with hardly any problems. I have owned two Fords, a 1 ton truck and a car and my son has owned two Ford cars. The four all had major, expensive problems. I don't even consider buying a Ford anymore and haven't for years.

Japanese cars are only assembled in the US from Japanese manufactured parts.

Blackhawker · « **Reply #18 on:** March 31, 2009, 05:18:19 AM »

I wouldn't have owned a GM anyway....today, yesterday, last year.....EVER!

OK, maybe if you gave me one.......then maybe!

(said with a lot of teasing intended) ....don't want to start a war here.

kitchawan kid · « **Reply #19 on:** March 31, 2009, 05:31:08 AM »

Sounds alittle like talk at the range"i'll never buy another Kimber,Colt etc again,had one that was no good.Had a lot of both GM and FORD and some foreign makes,the name seems of little use. o ne can be the best you ever had and one exactly the same can be a real leamon.

Blackhawker · « **Reply #20 on:** March 31, 2009, 05:39:41 AM »

You're right. I had a '99 Mustang and never had any problems with it.....of course, it never even was driven in the rain or anything like that either. It was hardly broken in when I sold it last year.

Nonetheless, I've been driving Nissan pick-ups for the past 21 years and I have to say all of them were sold with around 200,000 miles on them and I still go a premium price for them. They ran great and never really had any unusual problems. My last D-21 Hardbody ran 198,000 miles before I sold it. I changed the front brakes at 110,000 miles and the rear at 150,000.....never changed em again. ...and no, they weren't worn to all heck either. I was quite surprised. The truck also had the original clutch when I sold it. It was quite a runner!

On the other hand, there is my new Nissan truck in which I'm not quite so happy with. What I think is a lemon, I guess is pretty normal since it seems to be having all of the typical troubles that I hear from GM, Ford and Dodge owners.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #21 on:** March 31, 2009, 05:44:05 AM »

I think that Obama wants to take over GM so the govn't can make them manufacture "green" cars. Until the Fed's get their noses out, I wouldn't buy one. Let the market decide what cars to buy.

lrs · « **Reply #22 on:** March 31, 2009, 06:09:05 AM »

No way jose.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 31, 2009, 06:50:42 AM »

Obamanation, his administration and the Dems in congress are talking out of both sides of their mouth. They WANT to take over GM. They are liars. WHY else would the obamanation call for the CEO to leave. What business does the president have calling for any employee to leave their company. This is dangerous precedence regardless of the fact that they want bail out money.

If the administration and Congress did not like the plan submitted by GM. Then the burden should have been on the administration and congress to specify WHY/WHAT they don't like about the plan. If what they say has merit, then the board of GM should ask the CEO to leave or fire him. That why they have a board of directors. This obamanation IS taking over GM. They are usurping the rules of private industry and capitalism. There is a line that should not be crossed.

The real plan is for the obamanation to take over GM. No matter what plan would have been submitted, the obamanation would have called it a bad plan and asked for the CEO to leave. The obamanation wants to take over GM so he can pay off the Union workers and show Union solidarity to all Unions form all industries. This is all a SHOW and the press and the majority of America are swallowing it.

This is without question the most sick, disgusting and corrupt administration in the history of our country. NOTHING, is more dangerous then the disgarding and trashing of our constitution that’s going on NOW. This obamanation is targeting, with rifle shot precision, private citizens that openly disagree with them by imposing a 90% tax on them. They are publishing lists of names of private citizens so that their supporters can terrorize them and their children. They send investigators to Ohio to dig into the private life of an average citizen because he expressed displeasure with the then, presidential candidates stated plan to “redistribute the wealth”. He submits a so called stimulus plan that is nothing more than the printing of money and sending to corrupt groups like Acorn who is under investigation in several states for election fraud. Not to mention the BILLIONS of dollars that are going to unions and payback for political favors in the democrat controlled states. And let’s not forget the forced servitude we are all going to be forced to participate in theta will be led my his communist wife, Michele Obama. The obamanation is not even a naturalized American citizen! He has failed to satisfy the legitimate claims that he was actually born in Kenya. How about the billions he is borrowing from foreign countries that will eventually lead to record levels of inflation. He will then call for a new world currency and the elimination of the US dollar. They have already started planting the seeds to destroy the US dollar led by the radical socialist Billionaire George Sorrus. George is a radical socialist that funds the group Move On. He and the obamanation are plotting the course towards and conversion of socialism and communism. The obamanation did not study the devoted communist Sol Olinski for nothing.

We are doomed. We are doomed. Again, I say there has been a silent coup takeover of our government. It has been blood less to this point. I fear that blood will spill when this brazen maniac unleashes the full force of tyranny on us. And I firmly believe he will and his willing devil that runs the DOJ will lead that charge.

nomosendero · « **Reply #24 on:** March 31, 2009, 05:45:31 PM »

I drive about 60K(some yrs more) per yr. selling forklifts & Ind. Equipment. Myself & several other in my professon have been using big GM vehichles with the small block Vortec type engines because they simply work. I am using a Yukon XL right now with only 165,000 miles & I expect about that many more. My hunting pick-up is my former sales vehicle, a Silverado which now has 308,000 miles, no as in zero engine work. My 2 sales veh. before that were 2 Caddy Fleetwoods with the LT1. 2 of my boys are still driving those rockets/boats.

Before that I had a 88 Chevy ext. cab I put 300,000 miles on, get the picture. I would like to see a better record with any slant-eyed rig. The record speaks for itself. Each were bought used with quite a few miles because of the miles I put on a veh, I did the new route years ago & got killed on those in dep.

My experience makes a great GM commercial & one of the locals uses it.

But I do understand Graybeard's story, the GM cars of the early eighties were a diff. ballgame.

All that being said, I will have to find a veh. that will hold up, but Nissan & Toyota are competitors in my
forklift sales, so I won't drive those unless something like the Suzuki version that is just a Nissan without Nissan on it. Hopefully, I can get used big GM's up to & including 2008 model.

I will not buy a new GM/Commie ride under ANY circumstances.

briarpatch · « **Reply #25 on:** April 01, 2009, 01:02:50 AM »

Its my understanding that obama has told gm and dodge that they cannot run in Nascar until they get straightened out. Dont know, just gleaned from a forum on the net. If true, I wonder if the majarity of the fans and participants being white has anything to do with it. jessie jackson never did like that.
I dont think I will buy a Chevy after the one I now have. One reason is customer service at the Chevy place here in town and the other is having to fix a cronic situation the impalas have with the a/c. A problem that should have been resolved a long time ago by gm.
It has been a good car except that one problem. Bad customer service seems to be rule at dealerships.

beerbelly · « **Reply #26 on:** April 01, 2009, 01:27:59 AM »

As long as GM is being run by Obamanation I will not buy one.
Beerbelly

Graybeard · « **Reply #27 on:** April 01, 2009, 01:35:51 AM »

Some of you guys do some serious driving. I don't have enough years left in my life to put even 150,000 miles on at my normal driving rate. I'd not bet that I've put 300,000 on so far in my life tho I might have as I did used to drive more than now.

An average year for me these days is probably less than 6000 miles unless I take a long trip which I don't do often. Even back when I worked and had to go to work five days a week and tended to go to the woods on weekends 12,000 was a lot of driving for me. I don't have enough years of life left to wear out the truck I drive.

Dee · « **Reply #28 on:** April 01, 2009, 04:06:31 AM »

My wife drives a paid for O7 Chrysler. She'll be driving that one quite a while. I just got rid of my 06 Chevy Silverado, and went back to a Jeep Wrangler. It's completely outfitted the way I want it, and will probably never buy another vehicle at my age.
Chevy is toast a my house. I am tired of hearing about those poor union auto workers, and GM, and am trying to make my on way as always without a handout from someone that had nothing to do with my misfortune.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #29 on:** April 01, 2009, 04:36:46 AM »

There all Union including Chrysler and there all crying. If anyone thinks the American unions are cry babies, wait till Chrysler gets purchased by the French company Fiat. Currently, as I write this post, French union workers are holding hostage members of management at a Catipilair plant in France. This is not abnormal at all. The French unions are crazy. There's always some form of strike or sit in, walk out, blockades.....

The obamanation is trying to force Chrysler to work a deal so they can be purchased by Fiat. Thats great, now we can have an American company owned by the nut job French. Its obama way of trying to get the French brand of Union operations over to the states. And it will.