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John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« on: March 31, 2009, 03:35:01 AM »
EL PASO — The United States does not need to send troops to the border in response to Mexico's drug war, nor is Mexico in danger of becoming a failed state, law enforcement officials told a congressional panel.

Witnesses testifying before members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in El Paso on Monday urged the lawmakers to bolster law enforcement in the region, increase aid to Mexico and push it to reform institutions whose weaknesses have been exposed by their struggle with drug-trafficking gangs.

Experts and members of Congress likewise said Mexico had not become a "failed state" despite corruption and intimidation that have weakened local control in some areas.

"Cartels are primarily interested in fighting each other," not in challenging for political control, Howard Campbell, an anthropologist at the University of Texas, El Paso, where the hearing was held, told the senators.

Monday's hearings, the committee's first along the border, came amid a flurry of activity in Washington focusing on Mexico's struggle with drug cartels. The Obama administration last week announced it would send more money and agents to the border, and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton visited Mexico. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Attorney General Eric Holder, Jr. will visit soon. President Barack Obama will visit Mexico on April 16.

At Monday's hearing, committee Chairman Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., said he had been shocked to see killings and beheadings "just a stone's throw across the Rio Grande from where we're sitting this morning."

Across the border, thousands of Mexican soldiers patrol Ciudad Juarez, which saw about 2,000 murders in 14 months.

Kerry called for a ban on the imports of assault rifles, such as the AK-47, into the United States. Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo., and Sen. Roger Wicker, R-Miss., opposed the idea.

Assault rifles bought in the United States are favorites among cartel gunmen, who find them effective for the urban warfare, William McMahon, deputy assistant director of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told the committee. ATF agents have traced many guns confiscated in Mexico to purchases in the United States, McMahon said.

For example, more than 60 guns seized following a shootout among factions of the Tijuana cartel in April 2008 were traced to purchases in Los Angeles, Houston, Phoenix, San Francisco, Seattle, Philadelphia and Denver, McMahon said.

The visiting senators were particularly interested in how much violence was spilling into the United States. Cartel-related killings have occurred in Texas, and cities such as Phoenix are experiencing a rise in kidnappings for ransom, which authorities say are related to debt collection among drug dealers. Mexican cartels have extended their networks into as many as 230 U.S. cities, according to federal law enforcement agencies.

El Paso District Attorney Jaime Esparza said trafficking rivalries and infighting had little effect on crime in U.S. border towns. During those bloody 14 months in Juarez, El Paso had 20 homicides, Esparza said.

"Austin, Houston, Dallas -- they are not seeing their numbers up" either, said Esparza, who is a past president of an association of Texas prosecutors. "The rhetoric has been escalated and exaggerated."

Texas Gov. Rick Perry recently asked for 1,000 National Guard troops to be stationed at the border. But Esparza said he didn't think militarizing the border was needed.

"We are safe here in El Paso," Esparza said. "If we see a radical change, I would tell you differently."

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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2009, 03:49:47 AM »
OH NO, not "IT IS SEARED IN MY MIND" Kerry again.
I thought we had clipped his tail feathers a couple of elections ago!

Next it will be HANOI JANE again.
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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2009, 03:56:47 AM »
How about just stopping the importation of foreigners.  And export all foreigners who are here illegally.  That would include one BHO.
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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2009, 04:02:33 AM »
Why don't our lawmakers work on a way for the DEA and ATF and DHS to all get along and work together on something.  Half the problem is the power struggle between 3 federal agencies and their own ego war.  Figure out a chain of command and make every department perform their jobs by the book.  

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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2009, 06:07:26 AM »
Are the AK's doing the beheadings as well?
I wonder how many AK's are coming in from South of Mexico, or perhaps directly from China or some other country.
I doubt that the AK's we have are the weapon of choice for drug cartels.  If I were a drug lord, I would want the select fire ak's.
This is just another gun grab by the same liberals who have been at this for decades.
It is scary now, b/c no one seems to be standing up to these people. 
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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2009, 06:53:22 AM »
Why don't we just export John Kerry?
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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2009, 11:34:07 AM »
Why dont we send more AK's to mexico. That should solve the problem if we supply both sides.

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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2009, 12:03:07 PM »
That would be the only fair way to do it since their law enforcement is so notoriously crooked. In Quantico there was a program to train Mexican LEO to better deal with their increasing crime rates. These were Foreign Nationals who were allowed to freely come and go during the coarses. They were supposed to be the cream of the crop hand picked as the best officer out of many thousands. The program went 3 sessions for a total of 90 individuals and was canceled. Out of the 90, 11 were arrested for shoplifting at a local retail store. 4 got DUIs. 1 was arrested for fighting in a bar. And 2 were arrested for breaking into a person's house. Now this was the hand picked best of the best not just any average cop in Mexico. So I'm not real sure either side could be the good guys?
 I just saw a story a few weeks back about Mexican police kidnapping American female tourists and giving them to the cartels as gifts. One father fad been over to Mexico for a year and a half searching for his daughter. He had even tracked down a female officer that told him which cop and which cartel. Both of the officers were dead two days later. The documentary stated the Mexican govt covers the incidents up by saying it was said she was into drugs. I think it was near 200 recent reports and our govt has done nothing.

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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2009, 01:18:41 PM »
I heard that Al-Queda uses ak47"S bought at gunshows in rural Iowa. About as ridiculous as blaming US gun owners for Mexico's problems. Welcome to the global community!

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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2009, 01:27:13 PM »
John Kerry can kiss my Southern A$$ ;) :o   Did I say that? Hmmmmm     Yes, I believe I did. ;)
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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2009, 03:33:30 PM »
The response from the insincerity department is:
Well, now now Tunaman. You have to realize that the man was traumatized by his extensive war wounds in Viet Nam. You can't really blame him for not liking guns. He fought those communists long and hard, and they killed so many of his friends.
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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2009, 04:17:26 PM »
The photos shown on the news of the bullet impacts on the vehicles appear to be made by full automatic weapons.  I was not aware that full autos were that easy to buy. Someone is blowing smoke. I believe the AK's are coming from Asia.
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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2009, 04:29:51 PM »
The photos shown on the news of the bullet impacts on the vehicles appear to be made by full automatic weapons.  I was not aware that full autos were that easy to buy. Someone is blowing smoke. I believe the AK's are coming from Asia.
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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2009, 05:04:25 PM »
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Assault rifles bought in the United States are favorites among cartel gunmen, who find them effective for the urban warfare, William McMahon, deputy assistant director of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told the committee. ATF agents have traced many guns confiscated in Mexico to purchases in the United States, McMahon said.

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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2009, 05:04:48 PM »
I'm sure the Red Chinese will sell em full auto AK's for less than $200 each. Now I am sure the Mex drug cartels have plenty of money to pay the going rate of 6 to 7 hundred for a semi auto version and have to sneak it backwards over the border.
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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2009, 05:43:55 PM »
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So do I my friend. I have never been to a gun show where one could simply buy a class III weapon.

Don't get to many gun shows anymore, but use to go almost every weekend.

I have been to many where you could buy class three fully automatic or select fire weapons.
Heck at some of them you could even buy Browning water cooled twin 50s as long as you paid the transfer tax (at that time it was $250.00) and filled out all of the paper work that went with them.
After 45 days and a very extensive back ground check by the BATFE, the STATE POLICE, and the FBI and being finger printed if you passed everything then you could pick up your weapon and be on a permanent watch list.

Under no circumstances would you be allowed to leave that day with your class three weapon you just paid for unless you held a class three license.

You would be subject to a BATFE inspection of all of your firearms at anytime they wanted to come and check.

After you got it home and went to shot it you most likely would recieve a visit from your local law enforcement because some busy-body reported they heard what sounded like full auto gunfire.

My friends and myself have been visited by the law more than a few times while shooting clay birds because someone reported that there were so many shots that we must have full autos.

Sometimes we do get carried away and keep shooting the broken pieces while they are still in the air.
With 4 or 5 shooters all cutting loose at the same time you can lay down a lot of fire power in a very short time frame.

Are full autos comming from the US?
They may be coming from the US by way of the black market but
there is no way that full autos and granade launchers are coming from legal US gun shows!


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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2009, 06:34:46 PM »
How about we just EXPORT this waste of oxygen to some country that cares what his opinion is?

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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2009, 07:05:47 PM »
This situation was planned. Clinton and GW had plenty of time to do something about this. Hell, come to think about it, Reagan was the first president to start a war on drugs. You mean to tell me somebody with a little bit of knowledge and common sense couldn't have seen this coming 25 years ago. And now you have Kerry spouting off about AK's. It was less than 2 weeks ago, a news report stated that the govt. had not released the serial numbers of the guns. So they really didn't know how the guns got there.
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Re: John Kerry is calling for the end of importation of AK 47's
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2009, 01:10:06 AM »
 Folks Its Global Warming I can't believe no one Gets it yet
It's his way of warming Up to the Entire Globe ,by attempting to take our guns and Weaken the US citizen
  Him and His Warming needs to go away