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This woman does not deserve kids.
« on: April 02, 2009, 05:38:39 AM »
There are some realy stupid in this world. :o >:( Dale

KETTERING — A Harrison Twp. woman faces child endangering charges after police said she admitted to breastfeeding her child and talking on a cell phone while driving, according to Kettering Police Officer Michael Burke.

The incident happened about 7:45 a.m. Thursday, Feb., 26, near the intersection of Far Hills Avenue and Dorothy Lane, Burke said.

A male motorist called the police department's non-emergency number to report that he had seen the woman breastfeeding and talking on a cell phone while driving, Burke said. The man reported that he also witnessed the woman driving a Honda minivan into the parking lot of a local school and saw some children get out of the van. The man then got the van's license plate number and called police.

"I'm following right behind her right now on Far Hills Avenue," the caller said as he spoke to a Kettering dispatcher in a recording of his non-emergency call that was released by police on Friday, Feb. 27.

"I tried to say something to her. She literally has the little girl on the steering wheel and I said, 'I can't believe you have that kid in your lap and she said, 'You want to pop your titty out and breastfeed this kid?' That's what she said to me. I'm like, 'You can feed your kid when you stop.' It's like wet out here. It's full of traffic. It's ridiculous. She's got like three other kids in the car."

The police came to the area and tried to locate the van, but could not find it. So they used the license plate number to track down her contact information, Burke said.

When a police officer spoke to her, she admitted she breastfed her child and also told police that she does not deprive her child when the child is hungry, Burke said.

The officer took the information and presented it to the city prosecutor's office. That's when Genine Compton, 39, of Elm Grove in Harrison Twp., was charged with a first-degree misdemeanor of child endangering and minor misdemeanor for unlawfully restraining her child, which Burke believes was under 2.

When police were unsuccessful with serving Compton her ticket and a court summons at her home on Friday, Feb. 27, an officer went to the school where the witness saw her drop off the children on Thursday morning. The officer used the descriptions the witness gave to locate Compton at the school and serve the tickets and summons, Burke said. Compton was not arrested.

When asked why the tickets and summons couldn't be mailed, Burke said, "It's legal documents. We have to personally serve them to the defendant."

If convicted of the child endangering charge, Compton could face up to 180 days in jail and fined between $1,500 and $1,800, Burke said. If convicted of the unlawful restraint charge, Compton could be fined up to $150.

"Our issue is not the fact that this woman was breastfeeding in public," Burke said. He added that Compton would have been charged even if the child was just sitting on her lap. "Our issue is that she created the condition that placed her child's health and safety at risk."

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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2009, 08:05:45 AM »
Did she have an Obama bumper sticker on the Van? :D
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2009, 08:34:57 AM »
Totally ridiculous over reaching by the STATE once again. This women didn't do anything wrong...they're her kids , and she can do what she wants with them without state interference as long as she is not abusing them or prostituing them, etc. These are not the state's kids even though they are probably threatening to take her kids away next. And who is the jackal that followed her and turned her in..?
Oh!!.....do I think the USA is turning into a fascist police state..!? Naw!   ::)


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Tell me TM7. Just what do you think would happen to that baby if someone pulled out in front of her and she slamed on her brakes? I can't even believe you think she was in the right and did nothing wrong. :o Dale
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2009, 09:30:49 AM »
I will ditto that Dale!

She was putting that childs life along wit the lives of any other children she may have had in the car with her at risk.
Not only was she risking their lives but her own and the lives of others on the road with her!

She does have the right to breastfeed her child.
In fact I am in favor of it, but not while driving and talking on a cell phone.

The man did the right thing.

Sorry TM but in my eyes you are wrong on this one.


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Re: This woman does not deserve kids.
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2009, 10:00:10 AM »
Totally ridiculous over reaching by the STATE once again. This women didn't do anything wrong...they're her kids , and she can do what she wants with them without state interference as long as she is not abusing them or prostituing them, etc. These are not the state's kids even though they are probably threatening to take her kids away next. And who is the jackal that followed her and turned her in..?
Oh!!.....do I think the USA is turning into a fascist police state..!? Naw!   ::)


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Tell me TM7. Just what do you think would happen to that baby if someone pulled out in front of her and she slamed on her brakes? I can't even believe you think she was in the right and did nothing wrong. :o Dale

Dale, you are still missing the whole point… and so are a lot of others here…

It is not within the scope of government or the courts to say anything about how this woman conducts herself up to and until someone gets hurt. We are so desensitized to preemptive law enforcement that we just sit back and let those in positions of power run amuck. If you will go read the Constitution you will find that Governments are established to “PROTECT & MAINTAIN INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS”. So if we look at that then we should be able to see that Courts, Police and the rest of Government should only have one thing in mind…

Now let’s look at a legal term called “Standing” which without there is no case against this woman and thus the courts do not have “Subject Matter Jurisdiction”.

So let’s look at “Standing” and what would give it… well that would be if the woman violated some ones rights… after all that is what the courts, police and government is for…  But in this case she simply done something that many of us find distasteful but until such time as there is a injury or a violation of another’s rights “Standing” cannot be proven.

So all of you that feel you need a babysitter (government) that’s fine but damnit I don’t and I don’t want you or any like you pushing for me to have a babysitter… 

IF YOU VIOLATE ANOTHERS RIGHTS THEN AND ONLY THEN DO THE COURTS HAVE STANDING AND SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION UNDER THE CONSTITUION, UNTIL THEN YOU ARE JUST A CITIZEN DOING YOUR THING.  I REALLY WISH A LOT OF YOU WOULD GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEADS… especially DALE.

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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2009, 10:14:23 AM »
I thought it was simple in that the child was not restrained as required by law, regardless of whether you like the law or not.
"first-degree misdemeanor of child endangering and minor misdemeanor for unlawfully restraining her child"
In a collision the airbag would have killed the kid and she would have tried to file suit against the airbag mfr and auto mfr and anyone else she could get her hands on ala. the McDonalds hot coffee incident.
I have frankly had it with morons such as this and I would like to let them kill themselves off as a matter of natural selection. Unfortunately the kid would pay the price.

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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2009, 10:27:49 AM »
It is quite clear you have little understanding of "INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS" and of the legal system and how it works.

Now I do agree that this woman’s actions were Stupid, Ignorant and Dangerous... But no one was hurt this time... and until such time as they are the court has no real say in the matter known as "STANDING" & "SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION"... ALL TRAFFIC COURTS ARE A SCAM.... along with TRAFFIC LAWS... they are not enforceable based on Constitutional Law and can be beat if you know the law…

Though I do agree with you on the Natrual Selection...

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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2009, 11:25:34 AM »
Matt,
I agree with you on much of this and am not proud of the ridiculous, heavy-handed, "Injustice System" we have. Believe me, I live in a CCW state but ours is not "shall issue" and our sheriff doesn't issue them. Hopefully we are making ground on this one.

Maybe your pockets are deep enough or you have an advanced legal degree that allows you to fight such cases, but most of us don't have the $$, or time to fight a speeding ticket or child restraint fine. Normal everyday practice runs contrary to your thoughts on this and most of us would be bled dry trying to fight this crap. I guess my kids need shoes and food worse than I need to beat a speeding fine.
I went into a small claims case once for my employer in a county 4 hours away and knew I was hosed when the attorney for the opposition was laughing and joking with the judge when I walked into the room.
That judge was on me from the start.

I do have a problem understanding the "witch hunt" mentality of spending the time and resources tracking her down after the fact and find it extremely ignorant on her part to have admitted to it.
Thanks for a forum to air these things,
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2009, 12:31:41 PM »
I do understand your and Matts points. I am just going to have to disagree. She put that child in danger period. As for shooting my gun after drinking a few beers that just would not happen. I don't drink and drive and sure as hell don't play with guns while drinking. Along those same lines I take it you and Matt think it is ok to drink and drive also.  ::) Dale
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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2009, 12:49:40 PM »
Matt, does that mean that driving under the influence is ok. I mean, if you can control your vehicle, don't hurt anybody, under your definition, that should be ok. I know of several people over the 37 years I've been driving, that I would rather ride with, with them being under the influence, that a couple others that stone cold sober, were absolute idiots.  gypsyman
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2009, 12:58:18 PM »
Do ya'll see what you are saying ?
" IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD "
H.Clinton .

Glad all you free loving Americans agree with her now !

The mother stood the most to loose in a fender bender !
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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2009, 01:01:55 PM »
Do ya'll see what you are saying ?
" IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD "
H.Clinton .

Glad all you free loving Americans agree with her now !

The mother stood the most to loose in a fender bender !
I see what they are saying and understand what they are saying. I just don't agree. Dale
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2009, 01:06:35 PM »
then you agree with HC ?
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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2009, 01:11:39 PM »
then you agree with HC ?
No I don't. You are putting words in my mouth. Dale
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2009, 03:56:17 PM »
Matt, does that mean that driving under the influence is ok. I mean, if you can control your vehicle, don't hurt anybody, under your definition, that should be ok. I know of several people over the 37 years I've been driving, that I would rather ride with, with them being under the influence, that a couple others that stone cold sober, were absolute idiots.  gypsyman
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I'll take a stab at that question.  I think DWI or DWIA laws are too draconian. I think the blood alcohol test are too strict and are set up to screw you in the court system. BUT, I don't think people should drive around really slopped on alcohol or drugs as they may be impaired enough to cause an accident which often involves other people..like me and my family and that would be a terrible infringement on my rights, like my right to continue breathing air. Europeons don't have this hangup on driving after a couple of drinks. But no, I don't condon driving really impaired and it should be prevented and not done.

 No, I don't think this women was driving impaired in any way, or was a danger to others, or to her children. If she had been talking on the cell phone, doing her nails and makeup while nursing the child AND drunk then I would have to re-think the situation.

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We will have to agree to disagree then. Alcohol affects different people differnt ways. I am a big guy and handle my alcohol pretty well. I don't do it and do not condone it but I think I could drink 8 beers and drive fine but you take another person that is 125 pounds and that is a different story. That is why they have breathalyzers. (boy I miss spell check)What may be ok for one person is not for another. It has been proven that just talking on a cell phone increases your chances of being in an accident. Now she was not only talking on the phone but had a child sucking on a tit. Not only was that child sucking on a tit, that child was between her and the steering wheel. That child would have been crushed in a accident. I sure am glad I was not your child. You would probably let your kids ride around on motorcycles without helments. Then give them some matches to play with. I am going to try real hard to drop this here and now before I tell you how I really feel. I just plain disagree. Dale
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« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2009, 04:12:18 PM »
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If she had been talking on the cell phone, doing her nails and makeup while nursing the child AND drunk then I would have to re-think the situation.

Then you better start rethinking because His OP clearly states that
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she admitted to breastfeeding her child and talking on a cell phone while driving

Or did you mean she had to be doing all these things at once before you would question her actions?

In my state of VA what she did is against the law by two maibe three counts.

1- our law clearly states that a child under the age of I THINK 12 years must have a seat belt on and ride in the back seat.

2- depending on her age, our law clearly states that it is illegal to operate a motor vhecial while talking on a cell phone.

3- what she was doing would be considered wreckless driving and operating a motor in an unsafe manner.

Va is very strict on all three, and the fact that she admitted to this it would be a fairly easy case to prove against her.


I agree that a person should be able to do a lot of things without fear of the government's involvement.
I don't feel that #s 1 & 3 are among them because it involves the well being of others.


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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2009, 04:21:53 PM »
I also agree there are many things the government should not be involved in. I think this is a plain common sense thing. This woman is a danger to herself and  others, including her childern. I am just happy there in another person that feels like I do. Dale
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« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2009, 04:15:25 AM »
Dale i put no words in your mouth as i stated somethinh and finished with a ? not a !
I hate to let ya'll in on it but she ain't the only woman doing what she did . I can say i have seen the same thing . To tell ya the truth i would feel safer with her than some of the people i see reading the paper , stuffing food in their face , turnning around to get something off the back seat and any number of things i see going on while on the interstate .
did i mention people putting on makeup or lighting a smoke ? CELL PHONES !

Guess some are ok with getting tickets for what others think could happen .
And others feel you should raise your childern as you wish as long as its the way they want you to do it .
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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2009, 04:38:10 AM »
The only law she "broke" is not having the child in a carseat or buckled up.  That is ALL she should be charged with.  I got a $10 fine for not buckling up.  I was going from my house to a neighborhood grocery store for something (about 4 blocks) at 35 mph and was seen at turning into the grocers without my seat belt.  A cop coming out saw me and turned around and gave me a ticket for not being buckled up.  That is all they should charge her with.  Give her a break.  Kids can make a lot of noise, and especially if a baby is hungry.  With the other kids she dropped off, she may have been a very busy mom.  I agree it may be dangerous, but how fast can you really be going around a school?  Now, she may have to reorganize her schedule and nurse at home before she gets in the car to drop off the kids at school. 

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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2009, 05:47:57 AM »
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Actually, it was reported to the police by a third party busybody that she was doing her nails while breast feeding while he followed her around and not seen by any LEO as far as I can tell

I see nothing in the OP that says a thing about a third party.
The call was made by the guy who saw her and was following her.
There is also nothing about her doing her nails!


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based on a 3rd party statement

This implies that a third party told someone else who then called the cops.
You all need to learn a little law.
There was no third party statement made.
It was reported by the person who saw her.
That is not third party, it is eye witness.

Example:
If you witness a car run a red light and crash and call it in by your statement than you are a third party and you testomony would not be admissable in a court of law!
You are an eye witness!

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Next, it will be 3rd parties reporting on activities and drinking at Dale's and shooting off guns occassionally and this will be deemed to be reason for the state to claim ''child endangerment", or need of social service investigation...the potential is there.

While this could very well happen to any of those who drink and shoot off gun at the same time, there is nothing to suggest child endangerment in this case, unless there is children present
or near by.
Different senerio altogether.


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but how fast can you really be going around a school?

It didn't say how far he followed her before she turned into the school parking lot.
It does clearly state he was following her before she got there!


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I got a $10 fine for not buckling up.

Don't get caught here in VA, it will cost you a whole lot more than that plus court cost which is $75.00 alone!


Sorry boys but I just don't understand why you can't see the danger she has put herself, her children, and others on the highway with her in.

Like I think it was Dale who said "what would happen to the child if she were to hit another car?
Even if by chance no harm came to her or her child or the people in the other car there is still the damage caused by her actions.
No, I am sorry but she was wrong and the guy and the cops did the right thing.


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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2009, 07:22:09 AM »
longtom , in Va. you can't tex mesag. but if she was breast feeding i would assume she was of age to talk and drive.
child under the height and weight have to be in a car seat , booster seat also they had her there .
drinking from a water bottle is operating in an un-safe mannor if the vehicle is moving as is having one arm out the window and not both hands on the wheel.
strickly enforced not where i live other than seat belt laws and child seat.
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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2009, 07:24:50 AM »
people put them selves and others in danger all the time !
Guess the big brother loving commies are OK with punishing people for what might happen !
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« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2009, 07:40:06 AM »
Next time I see a person walking into the liquor store with a mask and a gun, I'll assume he's just the owners friend going in to show him his new toy.  gypsyman
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« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2009, 07:48:26 AM »
That's up to you .
I have to say feeding one baby is somewhat different than a masked man with a gun but if they are the same to you have at it . What is the difference you may ask - one is showing intent to rob and maybe kill . the other is only showing poor judgement .
If we start punishing for poor judgement where will all the politicans be ?
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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2009, 07:54:52 AM »
Shootall:
You might have me there about tex verses talking.
I thought it all passed.
If not then my mistake.

Then you must be right about the age also.
I guess I was a little dumb on that one.

Now here around Winchester VA they will still pull you over and issue a ticket for cell phone use regardless of age if it is seen as a risk to the operation of the vehicle.
It is wrote under operating a motor vehicle in an unsafe manner and left up to the judge to let it stand or drop it.

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people put them selves and others in danger all the time !
Guess the big brother loving commies are OK with punishing people for what might happen !

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Next time I see a person walking into the liquor store with a mask and a gun, I'll assume he's just the owners friend going in to show him his new toy.


Might I change it to the next time I hope it's not one of his family that is in harms way.


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« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2009, 08:28:04 AM »
sure change it as you wish , i think we are still free to do that .

We must all look past one lady feeding a child . It is true she could kill . But if we start allowing such laws to exist where will it lead ?
Freedom is not just earned with the blood on a battlefield but from the blood of those living a free life and someone infringes on that freedon and harms them .
Lets look at it with guns , one father leaves his loaded gun where his son can get to it . the son shows a friend and some how it goes off and kills the son . Should we have a law that says no gun can be stored / kept put togather for all people ? you have a gun in your truck put togather as you are going to ride around your farm to shoot pest and you forgot something . you lock the truck and go inside to get it . a guy selling something pulls along side your truck and gets out noticing the gun . he ask if you want to buy his junk you decline and he leaves . you start the ride to only get pulled over on the back road that borders your farm . see the guy didn't like your not buying and called the cop .
that friends ain't freedom !
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Re: This woman does not deserve kids.
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2009, 09:02:11 AM »
Longtom, I used that as an example I'm very familiar with. 5 armed robbery's and one shoot out. I've been in harms way. As well as my dad and mother. We were in the carry out business for over 35 years.
And, I'm also one to stick my nose in somebody else's affairs when it comes to kids. My wife chewed me out a few years ago, when at a K-Mart store, I yelled over 2 check out lines, at a women, that was talking on her cell phone, and had her back to her shopping cart, trying to carry on a conversation with the women behind her. Her 2 year old was standing up on the seat part of the shopping cart. I seen a kid fall out of one, and land on his head. Not a pretty sight, or sound, if your close enough to hear their head crack. My wife thought I should have minded my own business. I'ld rather get chewed out, than see a 2 year old on their way to the hospital. You can sit on the sidelines and say nothing if you wish. I can't.  gypsyman
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Re: This woman does not deserve kids.
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2009, 09:07:29 AM »
one thing to shout a warning another to tatle tale .
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Re: This woman does not deserve kids.
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2009, 09:34:10 AM »
Woe gypsyman:
That wasn't aimed at you.
I was backing you up on your reply.
I just changed it to direct it at the other quote.
I too would yell and not care if I was chewed out.
Misunderstanding on your part, no problem.


Change it as I wish.
All I did was admit I was wrong!

As for the guy calling in on my gun in the truck puts me in no trouble as long as it is a legal gun and unloaded.
If it is a handgun it can even be loaded.
We ride around with loaded handguns on the seat all the time.
It is legal in VA.


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Re: This woman does not deserve kids.
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2009, 09:49:54 AM »
longtom i agreed with your changing .
In Va. in certian cities you can't have a loaded handgun unless you have a carry permit . If i remember any city with over 100000 residents . Examples - Richmond , Norfolk , Va Beach . Then Chesapeake has a law No loaded gun period in a car house etc. the concealed handgun permit allowes it there though . Many counties allow a long gun loaded outside hunting season , still others allow it in hunting season still others no loaded long gun unless its for protection to and from and at work .

I really hope ya'll see the ansewer is not in more laws , we don't need to lose more freedom . we need to stand up and protect childern i agree but how much freedom must we lose in doing so ? Yell at the woman what ever . But every time we ask govt. to be our keepers we lose freedom .
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