Author Topic: You're Carrying What? (What Could Be Wrong!) (Read 2565 times)

Henry Bowman · « **on:** September 07, 2003, 06:26:05 PM »

Hello all,
I had an interesting chat with a gun store employee who's been carrying a new Para Ord a couple weeks now. I asked how it shot and he responded he hadn't shot it and if he did he would just have to clean it. When I asked why anyone would trust their life to an untested gun he says...
"It's a new gun, what could go wrong?"
Okey dokey gentlemen,
What's gone wrong with your new guns?

Duffy · « **Reply #1 on:** September 07, 2003, 07:49:14 PM »

Uhhh like it shot eight inches to the left because of my grip?

Or hows this one....I didn't mean to shoot the guy behind him in the foot, I just didn't realize how hard the trigger pulled.

Had a fella from around here that packed a 40 S&W for self defence for 2 years and never fired a shot out of it. I asked him if he planned on throwing it at the bad guys.

I'd shoot a new gun in the parking lot if they would let me!

Mikey · « **Reply #2 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:27:29 AM »

Henry: everything could go wrong and at the worst possible moment. There is absolutely no excuse for not assuring the sidearm you depend on is working properly and does not constitute a danger to yourself or others.

This is not the guy to be around when the chips fall. Mikey.

rwng · « **Reply #3 on:** September 09, 2003, 03:06:41 PM »

Well how about an all together different feel. When I first got my H&K I couldn't hit a coffee can at 20 feet. Had to practice quite a bit to get efficient with it and used to the trigger pull.

Mikey · « **Reply #4 on:** September 10, 2003, 04:15:25 AM »

rwng: That is much different than carrying something you have taken right out of the box and never tested or fired. You learned how to use yours. The fella referenced in the other posts didn't. He placed all his faith in how well something is 'supposed' to work. You went and found out for yourself. Much different scenario. Mikey.

1GLOCK · « **Reply #5 on:** September 10, 2003, 07:13:24 AM »

At the place I shop I get to shoot it as soon as I buy it (range out back). If its used I shoot it before I buy it. Wouldnt have it any other way.
I wouldnt even think of carrying a gun for defense that i havent put a couple hundred rounds through.

454Puma · « **Reply #6 on:** September 10, 2003, 06:30:57 PM »

Yep if you hang with that guy just make sure he's in front of you when the crap hits the fan so he'll stop all the incoming !!! :-D :grin: :-D

Smokem · « **Reply #7 on:** September 11, 2003, 08:09:47 AM »

I go directly to the shooting range from the gun shop, no matter what type of gun I buy. It would be like buying a new car and having deliver to your house on a flat bed truck and parking it in the drive way.

SingleFan · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2003, 06:59:13 AM »

The really scary part of this is that the fella behind the counter is the one making recommendations to prospective buyers. If he doesn't shoot his carry piece he can't be big on recommending training to those new to handguns.

williamlayton · « **Reply #9 on:** November 04, 2003, 01:20:01 AM »

i'm going to resurect this post because of recent investigation into a new firearm.
i searched this forum and a couple of others- i got far better and more knowlegeable replys here than on others- and i found one thing to be sure of. anything can go wrong from the first trigger pull, no matter the make, model or cost of tha weapon. well i knew that or feared that anyway.
boy there are some stories out there that will make you cringe. i myself would have been up a creek if'n i had just loaded up my new, out of tha box ppk, many years ago, with hydra shocks and had been forced to use it in defence as tha thang wouldn't shoot em till i broke it in. now it handles em fine.
when i get tha new one and the new barrel for nother one, you can bet i'm gonna run enough bullets of different kinds, weight, manuf., thru em that i know that what i've got will, at least feel confident it will work, be ready to put it in tha truck with me.
blessings

carolcann · « **Reply #10 on:** November 06, 2003, 03:24:13 AM »

The other side includes a large group of people who carry a gun defensively, which they have not fired in months or longer!

Most of these types I know personnally wear a badge... :cry:

JRWHITETAIL · « **Reply #11 on:** November 13, 2003, 04:44:57 AM »

I totally agree! Shoot the gun and see what it will do. And what it likes. The last thing you need is a jammed gun.

doc-and · « **Reply #12 on:** November 16, 2003, 11:07:03 AM »

I purchased a brand new Colt Combat Commander from Grant Boys in Southern California. Took it to the range for test firing at 25yds. The target frame was 3feet by 3feet set at 25 yards. Loaded a clip of 7rounds (factory stuff that I plan to carry) and sent a shot down range. Looking through my spotting scope, I couldn't see any holes :eek: , shoot the remaining 6 rounds at the target and still no holes could be seen. Cleared the weapon and walked down range to check, there were NO HOLES in that 3x3 sheet of cardboard anywhere. Tried another 7rounds through it with the same results. :x Took it to my gunsmith, and he was amazed by the poor barrel that came from the factory. He replaced the barrel and gave it a tune up. No more problems. The factory barrel was throwing lead all over God's acre. I wouldn't depend on it.

doc-and

williamlayton · « **Reply #13 on:** November 17, 2003, 12:00:07 AM »

i purchased a colt commander in the early 80's with the same results. this experience lead me to the purchase of, or search for, the pefect small carry weapon--which btw is still an ongoing search. :oops:
blessings

Savage · « **Reply #14 on:** November 17, 2003, 11:03:56 AM »

William,
When you find the perfect carry weapon, let me know! I've been carrying for over 30yrs. In that time I've tried more than a few carry guns in my search. I've come to the conslusion that there is no one perfect carry gun!
You really need a battery of carry guns to choose from, based on threat level, clothing, ect------. I have narrowed my battery down to Kel tec P-11/32, Charles Daly compact, Kimber Custon Target, Glock Mdl 36/21, Remington 870 Tatical, Bushmaster Shorty, and a M1 Carbine w/telescoping stock. The last three conceal well in the trunk of my car! Then there's the fun guns---------well-that's another thread.
Stay Safe,
Savage
Hey, a small oversight!!! Forgot to mention my 38/44/45 revolvers!

williamlayton · « **Reply #15 on:** November 17, 2003, 12:11:36 PM »

savage
we had a discussion on the western historical--well sumtimes hysterical--i digress "how many guns did folks carry" or something simular to that. i was amazed how many guns were on the person of many of the famous folk of tha time--sometimes 8/9 as i recall--4 was less than average i'm tellin ya. they had special pockets, leather lined an all, made fer their pants and coats. no wunner they wore spenders AN belts.
which leads to a thought. we're bigger folks than them on tha average. why doan we start puttin em in ever place we can. thas bout the onlys way we can have tha perfect gun. course knowin folk round here tha's be an argument bout the perfect number of guns an all'em better be perfect. :oops: :roll: :eek: :-D :shock:

blessings

Savage · « **Reply #16 on:** November 17, 2003, 02:09:18 PM »

Whoa, William! I don't carry them all at once! Sometimes two-----and a long gun in the car. Off duty, just one on the body, and maybe one close at hand. I like to travel light when I can. Smaller and lighter get more attractive all the time!
Stay Safe,
Savage

Tusker · « **Reply #17 on:** April 11, 2004, 12:19:36 PM »

:-D Have to laugh about the answer concering the new car--- A good number of years ago, we bought a new van, they were FULL size in those days by the way-- In VA, inspection was require every 6 months-- since we took delivery, of the 'inspected' :roll: vehicle :roll: ' in On October 12th, in 6 months, the worse of the year, weather wise around here, took the van in for inspection-- would not pass-- some return spring had never, been put in, no brake lights for 6 months :roll: -- can a new gun fail? sure enough. can 3 safeties on one gun fail all at the same time- they sure can, and have. Had a buddy who works for H&K, you wouldn't believe the stories He can tell. :roll: Range test it!!

unspellable · « **Reply #18 on:** April 12, 2004, 10:36:45 AM »

I wouldn't carry one until it's had 200 consectutive rounds through it without a hitch.

Sometimes a new one will not feed reliably until it's had 200 rounds through it to run it in.

I wouldn't do any custmixzing, tune up, repairs etc. until after 200 rounds.

Prof. Fuller Bullspit · « **Reply #19 on:** April 12, 2004, 12:20:58 PM »

My favorite Springfield Armory .45 shot about 6 inches low for me until I shortened the front sight. Luckily it will feed any hollowpoint I've tried in it but I sure wouldn't have trusted it to until I had shot it a lot.

My Smith and Wesson Body Guard was tough to learn to shoot well. I kept pushing shots to the left until I figured out how to hold that little thing.

Not a handgun but I bought a new Savage rifle that wouldn't stay on a 12 inch square target at 50 yards until I re-bedded it. Now it's the most accurate rifle I own.

It would be very unwise to trust a gun for self defense that you hadn't shot a lot. It's not just the gun, but also the ammo and how you hold it that can make a big difference!

Savage · « **Reply #20 on:** April 13, 2004, 03:36:38 AM »

This all sounds good------but, how many REALLY put a minimum of 200rds of CARRY ammo through a gun BEFORE they carry it. Some of the premium ammo is about a dollar a pop. Lots of people buy a $300 carry gun. Do they put $200 worth of ammo thru it before it goes in the holster?
I doubt it. Just curious.
str1

dakotashooter2 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 13, 2004, 04:36:38 AM »

A good example is the NEW Taurus 450 I just bought for CC. There is evidence it was test fired before it left the factory but dispite that about 40% of the rounds misfired when shooting double action. Not something I would have wanted to find out when my life depended on it.

papajohn428 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 13, 2004, 06:33:13 AM »

When I first hired on with the firm I now work for, they wouldn't let me (company rules) carry my own weapon. They issued me a SW Model 10 that hadn't been cleaned in so long, the cylinder wouldn't turn. The leather holster they issued was about 40 years old, and all the stitching was dry-rotted. I spent two solid days cleaning, oiling, and shooting that piece before I was comfortable putting it on a duty belt. I practice regularly (I have to, I'm getting old!) and now we get along fine.
PJ

unspellable · « **Reply #23 on:** April 14, 2004, 01:50:01 AM »

For the first 200 rounds to break in, cheapo ammo will do. Then after the first 150 or 200 you should fire at least 25 rounds of the carry ammo, 50 is better. The number one point in a carry piece is reliabilty at the expense of all else.

A tip from the old African big game hunters. Check your ammo throughly including hefting and chambering each round before carrying it. I have a 32 Winchester Special and and a 10 mm round that cannot be chambered even with the asistance of a mallet I have a 25 ACP with the primer loaded sideways. I have many 22 LR misfires. A friend has some 458 Winchester with no lead cores in the bullet jackets. All factory fodder.

Savage · « **Reply #24 on:** April 18, 2004, 05:05:18 AM »

Without fail, I chamber check all my match ammo. My carry ammo gets hand cycled as well. Reloads and factory. It's really a bit redundant with my reloads though, my last operation is the "Lee Factory Crimp Die". When they go thru that sucker, they chamber without fail.
Savage

doghouse95 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 26, 2004, 07:23:07 AM »

Lets see how I can put this.
Not shooting a gun you are betting your life on is like.
Marrying a lady before you unwrap the three huge quilts that she has on,
before you can even see her body profile from the neck down,
before you take the bag off of her head,
before you know how many kids she will bring with her when she moves into your house,
before you see if she has all of her teeth,
and before you know how old she is.
Betting you life on a handgun that you don't even know if it works is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard of.

Alice Cooper · « **Reply #26 on:** April 28, 2004, 09:10:35 AM »

i bought a new s&w 60-4, after reading up on smiths for a year, this model in particular....took it stright out and shot it, finding the barrel was bent to the left! gah! now that's a letdown, lemme tell you....

litman252 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 28, 2004, 03:58:55 PM »

If it was OK to do this sort of thing, factories would not have warranties or customer service.
What ammo was he using, that would be interesting as well, never had a missfeed due to mag with that style of handgun, right?

Tony

redhawk44 · « **Reply #28 on:** May 01, 2004, 10:02:38 AM »

Years ago, I bought a new 38 Special in a Colt Detective special. I went to the range and fired it once and could not get the cylinder to rotate. It turned out that the hole around the firing pin was oversized and the primer was extruding back into that hole and freezing the action.

Back to Colt it went.

About 2 years ago, I bought a new Smith 686 in 357 that did exactly the same thing.

If you are gonna carry a gun for serious purposes, better try it out first.

dawei · « **Reply #29 on:** May 14, 2004, 11:28:42 PM »

Quote from: Henry Bowman

Hello all,
I had an interesting chat with a gun store employee who's been carrying a new Para Ord a couple weeks now. I asked how it shot and he responded he hadn't shot it and if he did he would just have to clean it. When I asked why anyone would trust their life to an untested gun he says...
"It's a new gun, what could go wrong?"
Okey dokey gentlemen,
What's gone wrong with your new guns?

Obviously a modicum of intelligence is not a prerequisite to CW Sales position. It appears this guy doesn't have the brains God gave geese.