Author Topic: Obama and Factcheck.org  (Read 335 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Foxxtrot

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 288
Obama and Factcheck.org
« on: April 05, 2009, 07:54:08 AM »
Obama's Prime Time Pitch
March 25, 2009
Some exaggerations and misstatements from his evening news conference.
Summary
President Obama sometimes strayed from the facts or made dubious claims during his hour-long evening news conference March 24.

    * He said his budget projections are based on economic assumptions that “are perfectly consistent with what Blue Chip forecasters out there are saying.” Not true. The average projection by leading private economists is now for substantially less economic growth than the administration’s forecast assumes.
       
    * He said he is reducing “nondefense discretionary spending” to less than it was under the past four presidents. Not true. His own forecast for the final budget of his four-year term puts this figure higher than in many years under Reagan, Clinton or either Bush.
       
    * He said he was “angry” about “inexcusable” bonuses paid to AIG executives. But he glossed over the fact that his own aides insisted on watering down a Senate-passed amendment that might have prevented payment of such bonuses.
       
    * He repeated that his budget is projected to cut the federal deficit in half by the end of his term. That’s true, but deficits also are projected to shoot up again later unless big policy changes are made.

One of the most dramatic claims came not from Obama but from a reporter who asked about children “who are sleeping under bridges and in tents across the country” and who said 1 child in 50 is “homeless.” The truth is far less dramatic. The study he cited doesn’t just count children with no roof over their heads. It also includes those whose families are staying with friends or family members, in hotels and motels, in trailer parks or in housing deemed to be “substandard.”


******************************************************************
Fact-Checking Obama's Speech
February 25, 2009
The president gets facts wrong about oil imports, mortgage aid and the transcontinental railroad, and more.
Summary
President Obama's first speech to a joint session of Congress was stuffed with signals about the new direction his budget will take and meant-to-be reassuring words about the economy. But it was also peppered with exaggerations and factual misstatements.

    * He said "we import more oil today than ever before." That's untrue. Imports peaked in 2005 and are substantially lower today.

    * He claimed his mortgage aid plan would help "responsible" buyers but not those who borrowed beyond their means. But even prominent defenders of the program including Fed Chairman Bernanke and FDIC chief Bair concede foolish borrowers will be aided, too.

    * He said the high cost of health care "causes a bankruptcy in America every 30 seconds." That's at least double the true figure.

    * He flubbed two facts about American history. The U.S. did not invent the automobile, and the transcontinental railroad was not completed until years after the Civil War, not during it.

    * He claimed that his stimulus plan "prevented the layoffs" of 57 police officers in Minneapolis. In fact, it's far more complicated than that, and other factors are also helping to save police jobs.

The president also repeated some strained claims we've critiqued before.

Bookmark and Share
Analysis
In what had the look and feel of a State of the Union address, President Barack Obama spoke before Congress Feb. 24. Making the case for why the stimulus plan he recently signed would help the economy, Obama also laid the groundwork for the budget he'll submit to Congress Thursday and foreshadowed major action in the areas of energy, education and health reform. We're not passing judgment one way or the other on his ideas. But he made several factual errors along the way.
 
Less Foreign Oil, Not More

One line in Obama’s speech certainly sounded plausible – given the widespread concern about foreign oil – but he got it wrong:

    Obama: We have known for decades that our survival depends on finding new sources of energy, yet we import more oil today than ever before.

Not true. We’re importing less than we were just a few years ago. This chart from the U.S. Energy Information Administration shows that weekly imports of crude oil and petroleum products (in thousands of barrels per day) have been dropping. Imports reached a high point of 15,217,000 barrels per day the week of Nov. 4, 2005. Most recently, they totaled 11,577,000 the week of Feb. 20, 2009. EIA charts on monthly and annual imports (see below) show the same trend.




Only Help for Good-Intentioned Homeowners?

Obama said his plan to help struggling homeowners would aid "responsible" borrowers but not someone "who bought a house he could never hope to afford."

    Obama: [W]e have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages. It's a plan that won't help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford. …

But even the program's defenders concede that it can’t possibly distinguish between "responsible" borrowers and those who foolishly (or fraudulently) signed up for mortgages beyond their means. The Associated Press said Obama's words "ring hollow." And the news agency quoted the Federal Reserve chairman as saying even the foolish borrowers would be aided:

    AP, Feb. 25: Defending the program Tuesday at a Senate hearing, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it's important to save those who made bad calls, for the greater good. He likened it to calling the fire department to put out a blaze caused by someone smoking in bed.

    "I think the smart way to deal with a situation like that is to put out the fire, save him from his own consequences of his own action but then, going forward, enact penalties and set tougher rules about smoking in bed."

Sheila Bair, chair of the FDIC, also said there was no easy way to vet homeowners. "I think it's just simply impractical to try to do a forensic analysis of each and every one of these delinquent loans," she told NPR. And, Bair added, it’s in the "collective economic interest" to not have more foreclosed homes on the market. "To try to punish all of those parties now by foreclosing on more homes, putting more families on the street, putting more houses onto the inventory, creating more downward pressure on home prices when you have so much inventory on the market right now. Is that in our collective economic interest to do that? I just don't think that it is."

Wrong on Bankruptcies

Obama said that health care costs cause a bankruptcy every 30 seconds in the U.S.

    Obama: And for that same reason, we must also address the crushing cost of health care. This is a cost that now causes a bankruptcy in America every 30 seconds.

Data from the U.S. Courts show about 934,000 personal bankruptcies in the 12-month period ending June 2008. There are about 32 million seconds in a year. So someone filed for bankruptcy roughly every 30 seconds last year. But even a very high estimate, like the Harvard study we looked at last year, would only attribute half of those personal bankruptcies to medical expenses. So that's one health-related bankruptcy every minute at most.

American History Lessons

Obama got two historical facts wrong last night, saying the automobile was a U.S. invention and that the transcontinental railroad was completed during the Civil War. Neither historical claim is true.

First, the automobile:

    Obama: I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it.

There is some debate about exactly who invented the automobile, but the inventor's nationality was French, German or Scottish, depending on whether one considers steam or electric vehicles to qualify as an "automobile," or only those powered by gasoline. The Library of Congress’ “Everyday Mysteries” site gives the honor to Karl Benz from Germany, who invented a three-wheeled, gasoline automobile with an internal combustion engine in 1885-1886. Before that, France’s Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot invented a steam-powered vehicle for the French army in 1769, and Robert Anderson of Scotland built an electric carriage around 1832-1839. Germans Gottlieb Wilhelm Daimler and Wilhelm Maybach developed a four-wheeled gas-powered vehicle in 1886.

Obama would have been correct had he said the U.S. is the nation that invented mass production of the automobile. It was the 1901 Curved Dash Oldsmobile that was first produced in quantity, and, of course, Henry Ford made the car affordable for the masses with the first moving assembly line in 1913.

As for the railroad, Obama said:

    Obama: In the midst of civil war, we laid railroad tracks from one coast to another that spurred commerce and industry.

"Golden Spike" ceremony completing the transcontinental railroad, May 10, 1869.
Obama would have been justified in saying that a transcontinental railroad system was "planned and begun" in the midst of the Civil War, which started in 1861. The Pacific Railway Act provided for the transcontinental railroad and was signed in 1862. Workers on the Western end, the Central Pacific line, spiked the first rails in 1863. But construction on the Union Pacific line, which would start in Nebraska and connect to the Central Pacific in Utah, didn't begin until after the war, at which point the Central Pacific was still working in California and had made it roughly to the Sierra Nevadas. The two lines were not to meet until the famous "golden spike" ceremony of May 10, 1869, four years after the war had ended.

57 Cops

Obama said that "there are 57 police officers who are still on the streets of Minneapolis tonight because this plan prevented the layoffs their department was about to make." But that's a dubious claim.

It's true that Mayor R.T. Rybak (an early Obama supporter) said Feb. 23 that cuts in state aid "would have led to the elimination of 57 sworn police officer positions and 19 non sworn employees" and that the stimulus bill "will keep 57 police officers working on the streets of Minneapolis." But there's more to it than that.

For one thing, the mayor's 57-cop figure is hypothetical. No layoffs were actually proposed. The mayor said that number would have to go "IF you allocated the Governor's proposed cuts equally across the city" and "IF the Governor’s cuts were passed on directly to the Police Department." We emphasize the word "if." Cities seldom spread such cuts equally across all city departments and services. The usual practice is to minimize impact on public safety and make larger cuts in less essential services.

More important, the mayor himself cites four other factors besides the stimulus money that allow him to avert these hypothetical layoffs. Elsewhere in the same budget speech, he puts stimulus funds last, behind four other factors: lowering debt service payments, focusing cuts on "more expensive management positions," eliminating services and "developing new revenue options." Specifically, Rybak said: "We are proposing elimination of $1.5 million in non-personnel costs, including overtime." So the truth is the stimulus money will help and may avert some future layoffs, but not all 57 cited by the mayor.

Bravado Reprise

Obama continued his recent habit of asserting projections as fact:

    Obama: This plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs. More than 90 percent of these jobs will be in the private sector, jobs rebuilding our roads and bridges, constructing wind turbines and solar panels, laying broadband and expanding mass transit.

As we pointed out in our Feb. 13 article, "Stimulus Bill Bravado," Obama’s numbers are not certain. The estimate of 3.5 million jobs is backed up by projections from different economists, including independent experts as well as the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. However, one economist, Mark Zandi, downgraded his job estimate to 2.2 million once the stimulus legislation was finalized. It's worth noting that even Nobel-winning economists disagree sharply about macroeconomic projections. That’s because macroeconomics is still a relatively new discipline. There is limited data, and even less agreement about what the available data actually mean.

Tax Cuts for 95%?

Obama said his stimulus program provides a tax cut for "95 percent of working households" and later said that a cut would go to 95 percent of "working families." That calls for some explanation. The key words are "working" and "cut."

He's referring to the "making work pay" refundable tax credit, which is only available to workers. As we pointed out previously on The FactCheck Wire, there would be no credit for retirees or those who are unemployed. A Tax Policy Center analysis found that a more modest 75.5 percent of all households would benefit, whether their members are working or not.

It is also questionable whether all of the tax refunds can properly be called "tax cuts." The credit is refundable and, therefore, is going to many who earn so little that they pay no federal income taxes in the first place. The White House calls them tax cuts, but the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office officially scores the bill’s refundable credits under "direct spending."

Korean Batteries for American Cars?

Obama gave a few examples of how the U.S. isn't leading when it comes to "clean, renewable energy," saying at one point that "new plug-in hybrids roll off our assembly lines, but they will run on batteries made in Korea."

He's partly right.

The Chevy Volt, if it comes to market as scheduled in 2010, would be the first American-made, plug-in hybrid car, and General Motors recently announced that the Volt will use battery systems from South Korea's LG Chem Ltd.

But the U.S. isn't a complete laggard in this department. Ford said earlier this month that batteries for its hybrid, due to be available in 2012, will be supplied by a joint venture between a U.S. company, Johnson Controls Inc., and France's Saft. At least initially, though, the battery cells will be made in France; they will be assembled into power packs in the U.S.

Things He Got Right

 Some other claims that made our ears perk up actually checked out OK.

    * T.R. and health insurance: Speaking of health coverage, Obama said "Teddy Roosevelt first called for reform." Actually, Harry Truman was the first sitting president to call for national health insurance, in 1948. But Theodore Roosevelt, as a Progressive party candidate in 1912, did run (and lose) on a platform that included "a system of social insurance."

    * Cold War Weapons: Obama also criticized "Cold War weapons we don’t use." That’s a reference to the F-22 Raptor, a high-tech fighter plane that has been operational since 2005. It costs about $140 million per plane and has never been used in combat. (For more on the F-22, see our FactCheck Wire post, published Feb. 26.)

Update, Feb. 25: After we posted this article, we nailed down another item:

Obama exaggerated a bit in describing the Children’s Health Insurance
Program that was recently reauthorized by Congress:

    Obama: When it was days old, this Congress passed a law to provide and protect health insurance for 11 million American children whose parents work full time.

The 11 million figure is correct; it’s the “work full time” phrase that caught our attention. It’s true that CHIP (formerly known as SCHIP) is designed for children in families that earn too much to qualify for health care under Medicaid but not enough to buy insurance on their own. But there is no stipulation that parents must work “full time.” Mary Kahn, spokeswoman at the Centers for Medicaid & Medicare Services, told us: “The CHIP program is targeted primarily to children of low-income working families. But there is no requirement that the families be working full time or part time, simply that their income meet that particular state’s requirement.” State eligibility rules differ, but generally they target families making under about 200 percent of the federal poverty level, which is $44,100 this year for a family of four.

– by Brooks Jackson, Viveca Novak, Lori Robertson, Justin Bank, Jess Henig and Joe Miller

“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.” Sigmund Freud

Offline Tommyt

  • Trade Count: (51)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3051
  • Gender: Male
Re: Obama and Factcheck.org
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2009, 09:29:21 AM »
I may be Wrong  but I'd say your attempting to show he's
A LIAR !!

Offline nomosendero

  • Trade Count: (6)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5760
  • Gender: Male
Re: Obama and Factcheck.org
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2009, 12:29:49 PM »
I may be Wrong  but I'd say you attempting to show he's
A LIAR !!

Yea, how dare Foxxtrot to reveal what he said so we could make that determination, but it happens every time we look at what he said.  ;D
You will not make peace with the Bluecoats, you are free to go.

Offline Foxxtrot

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 288
Re: Obama and Factcheck.org
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2009, 01:02:05 PM »
there are a few decent .orgs out there. Factcheck and Citizens against govt waste are my top two.

We as citizens have to stop voting for these lifetime bureaucrats to run amok with our tax dollars and our freedoms. Why do we have to constantly change laws, why not enforce the ones on the books, and work toward private institution charity to help those less fortunate as we have done in the past. Term limits, no lifetime salary, no lifetime healthcare, no lifetime pensions. Becoming a politician these days is like winning the damn lottery for a bunch of con artists. It is time we had a viable third party and I sure hope people are beginning to realize D & R don't give a rat's ass about the common man.
“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.” Sigmund Freud