Author Topic: 300 wby recoil (Read 8086 times)

Troyboy · « **on:** April 05, 2009, 09:34:56 AM »

Got a 300 roy for christmas a few years back. Then i got that spring stock and a leupold. Finally shot this rifle and after four shots to sight it in, I was done. The recoil on this thing is bad. Did say recoil? My teeth are still rattling. Can't fathom what the recoil would be like without the springy stock. This is not gonna get shot much.

Wyo. Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #1 on:** April 05, 2009, 03:16:07 PM »

:DYou might try a padded shooting vest, and also, try to get a bench where you stand and roll with the recoil. Unless you are an experienced shooter, the .300 packs a punch at both ends. I have shot one since I was about 18. It takes mental as well as physical training.

jls · « **Reply #2 on:** April 06, 2009, 06:24:01 AM »

after running a box of ammo through mine I needed something to ease the thumping I was getting. I put a Limbsaver on(helped a bunch) went one step father and installed a Que Industries muzzle brake. That really made a difference,Butttttt, that break will destroy your hearing if you don't use double ear protection!!! And to top that off,, you won't make any friends at the range unless you setup waaaaaaay down the line. the concussion under a covered range is something else! I wear a set of ear plugs on a wire headset when I hunt, just slip them on when I shoot but I can tell thats not enough. The brake is coming off!!

KAYR1 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 06, 2009, 03:11:31 PM »

I use a Caldwell Lead Sled for sighting in, then practice more frequently, with lower volume, then try to shoot a box or two at a sitting less frequently. I now can shoot my Vanguard Roy comfortably. However, even with handloading, its getting way too expensive for casual shooting for me!

saltydog · « **Reply #4 on:** April 14, 2009, 09:10:13 AM »

Not sure what you mean by "spring stock" - is it a Vanguard w/synthetic stock ? If Yes - then it does smack a bit as the weight of the rifle is on the light side for a full bore 30 mag. If you don't want to reload for it I would trade it and get a 270 WIN Vanguard so you can have benefits of a flat shooting cartridge w/ alot less recoil.

BBF · « **Reply #5 on:** April 15, 2009, 07:39:08 AM »

Years ago when I was going thru my Magnum phase in life I had a Ruger# 1 rechambered to the 300 Wby. Without a doubt it was the nastiest recoiling rifle I had.

I felt it was worse then from the Ruger# 1 Tropical in 375 H&H I had at the same time.

The 300 Wby Ruger got a new barrel in 35 Whelen, a much more useful cartridge for the conditions I hunted in then.

huntwithme2 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 11, 2009, 03:20:18 PM »

i don't have a weatherby but i do have a win mag. i had a decelerator recoil pad put on and had it mag-n-ported. i think thats how it is spelled. now i can shoot it up to thirty times at the range and it doesn't jump up that much either. a friend of mine had the same things installed on his browning 30/06. i shot it once and that was it for me. that thing kicked more than my 300 did before i had it fixed. he can shoot it with ease now.

Buck-Ridge · « **Reply #7 on:** October 31, 2009, 07:37:15 AM »

I bought one a few years ago and was expecting it to be a brute. I also hunt with a 35 whelen and can't feel much difference in them. I actually prefer sighting both of them to my muzzleloader. They do kick a little more than a 30-06 but not much.

BBF · « **Reply #8 on:** October 31, 2009, 08:39:23 AM »

It isn't only the ftlb of recoil on the Wby, it is the recoil speed( velocity) of that cartridge that makes it hurt.

Graybeard · « **Reply #9 on:** October 31, 2009, 11:37:22 AM »

Yup a fellow I used to shoot with hand a Vanguard in .300 Whby. Mag and even tho that thing seemed almost as heavy as a boat anchor it was wicked ugly from the bench. I helped him work up loads for it and recoil was just plain brutal to my shoulder. I recommend a really first rate recoil pad like Remington uses these days and when shooting from the bench buy you a PAST Magnum recoil shield to put between that pad and your shoulder. It's still gonna jar your brain but at least it will not hurt the shoulder as bad.

These days with the rotator cuff problems I have and the desperate need for surgery that I keep putting off I'd not pull the trigger on that monster for any amount of money.

radar · « **Reply #10 on:** December 23, 2009, 12:55:10 PM »

I had a 300 WBY in a TIKKA rifle about 10 years ago, Bachmann Pawn and gun in Dallas had a blowout sale on them for 300.00 and I ordered one.
She was kicker and I sent it off to KDF for a muzzlebreak. Helped out some, but she was loud and painful. I had 2 decent loads worked up for it,(75 GRS IMR 4350/ 180 GR Sierra and 82 grs AA 3100/ 180 gr Sierra) only used 3 shot groups instead of 5 at 100 yds. I developed a flinch from it and I let her go.

A real man's gun

Radar

mjbgalt · « **Reply #11 on:** December 23, 2009, 02:31:46 PM »

ain't nothing i want to shoot that i need that thing for.

way i look at it, the bigger game you shoot, the more skinning, dragging, cutting, packing, and paying you do.

i wanna shoot nothing bigger than my swede can knock down.

Wyo. Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #12 on:** December 23, 2009, 04:43:40 PM »

You folks are right the .300 is for bigger game or medium game at longer distance...IT IS NOT FOR THE ONCE A YEAR WHITETAIL HUNTER. This is a skilled rifleman's weapon.. I have shot them since I was 18, it is an awesome weapon, but you have to be an accomplished rifleman to handle it and appreciate all it can do... Most folks live and hunt in areas they cannot use it nor do they have the time money to invest in becoming proficent with this caliber... A friend bought one for his kid after the kid crippled several deer with his .30-06. What the kid needed was to learn to shoot. He only picked up a rifle in deer season, and their shooting was in a large field at mostly moving animals. Too often someone picks this or another large caliber because they lack the shooting skills to kill cleanly with average weapons.. This is definately a mistake.. But for the skilled shooter it is a deadly rifle... After looking at the column " what did you shoot your deer with this fall" I can see why many do not understand the .300. In my part of the country, the big .30's are popular, but the ranges are long, and game bigger. You could hunt for your entire life here and never be wakened by a deer so close you hear him chewing......It seems unbelievable, but I sure in the world of whitetails, it happened...

mjbgalt · « **Reply #13 on:** December 23, 2009, 05:01:42 PM »

i just would rather enjoy shooting. that's why i own a 20 gauge shotgun and nothing faster than a .25-06 and swede.

mirage1988 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 23, 2009, 05:22:39 PM »

Quote from: Wyo. Coyote Hunter on December 23, 2009, 04:43:40 PM

You folks are right the .300 is for bigger game or medium game at longer distance...IT IS NOT FOR THE ONCE A YEAR WHITETAIL HUNTER. This is a skilled rifleman's weapon.. I have shot them since I was 18, it is an awesome weapon, but you have to be an accomplished rifleman to handle it and appreciate all it can do... Most folks live and hunt in areas they cannot use it nor do they have the time money to invest in becoming proficent with this caliber... A friend bought one for his kid after the kid crippled several deer with his .30-06. What the kid needed was to learn to shoot. He only picked up a rifle in deer season, and their shooting was in a large field at mostly moving animals. Too often someone picks this or another large caliber because they lack the shooting skills to kill cleanly with average weapons.. This is definately a mistake.. But for the skilled shooter it is a deadly rifle... After looking at the column " what did you shoot your deer with this fall" I can see why many do not understand the .300. In my part of the country, the big .30's are popular, but the ranges are long, and game bigger. You could hunt for your entire life here and never be wakened by a deer so close you hear him chewing......It seems unbelievable, but I sure in the world of whitetails, it happened...

If one is a skilled rifleman- why would he choose a weapon that he has to take out a second mortgage to buy a box of ammo for? He can't make a kill shot with a 30/06? He didn't get to be a "skilled rifleman" shooting 4.00$ a shot ammo that dislocated a shoulder everytime he pulled the trigger. No I do not understand the 300 for deer hunting, I hunt with a muzzleloader and like my shots to be close to ensure a kill shot.

Wyo. Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #15 on:** December 24, 2009, 08:14:18 AM »

I like it because there is skill envolved, and there are more game animals in the country than whitetail deer shot from a tree stand...

charles p · « **Reply #16 on:** December 25, 2009, 05:19:48 PM »

I'm a recovering magnum shooter. Don't think I've fired any of mine in five years, and some in fifteen years. Age and wisdom seem to meet somewhere around age 50. After that I migrated to shorter, lighter rifles and moderate calibers. Velocity and tragectory don't seem so important anymore and I can shoot as far and effectively as ever. Deer don't seem to notice the difference.

Spanky · « **Reply #17 on:** December 25, 2009, 06:21:07 PM »

Pay an arm and a leg for ammo and get the snot kicked out of you and for what?? It won't kill 'em any deader than a 30-30.

I guess some guys just have something to prove... I just can't figure out what it is that they're proving.

Spanky

xd-40 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 20, 2010, 03:08:08 PM »

I love my vanguard in .300 Wby. it kicks like a mule, but I can reach out and touch one.

the area I hunt (in the rifle zone in MI) offers clear shots from 50-500 yards. I like to have a round that can do what I need it to do, without a lot of math/thinking/kentucky windage. I've taken a few with the 30-30, 12ga, and 7.62x54, but hands down. I use my .300 wherever and whenever legal. (ok, I take that back, when I'm kicking the brush for my dad and brothers, I carry my marlin .44 mag)

as for ammo cost, HANDLOAD, this rifle is not designed to shoot the volume you would out of a .223, or a 9mm AR, I never go through more than a box of ammo in a range trip, and only use the full-bore loads for fine-tuning and hunting.

oh, and the buck in my pic was taken just below the shotgun line in MI, didn't have a choice but to use the shotgun. 1'st shot took out the front left shoulderblade and front right leg (top bone, the femur?), he started running, so I put another slug into him, got lucky and put it right through the heart. then he went down. made it almost 30 yards, was afraid I'd have to track him for a second there.

lgm270 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 23, 2010, 08:51:44 AM »

Quote from: Wyo. Coyote Hunter on December 24, 2009, 08:14:18 AM

I like it because there is skill envolved, and there are more game animals in the country than whitetail deer shot from a tree stand...

Well said Wyo. Shooting big magnums involves a greater level of skill and I'm surprised more is not said about this. That's the one thing about the magnum craze that was very harmful...the silence on the fact that these rifles are cripplers (at both ends) if people are not willing to take the time, spend the money and make the effort to master them.

I went through my magnum phase a few years ago and except for elk hunting with a .338 or a .375 H&H, I stick to my old .270 WCF. I noticed that when hunting with guys armed with 7mm Rem Mags and .300 mags, we spent a lot of time and effort chasing their wounded. No one ever had to help me chase something I shot with my .270 (although I gratefully accepted help in carrying them out

).

lgm270 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 23, 2010, 08:53:39 AM »

Quote from: charles p on December 25, 2009, 05:19:48 PM

I'm a recovering magnum shooter. Don't think I've fired any of mine in five years, and some in fifteen years. Age and wisdom seem to meet somewhere around age 50. After that I migrated to shorter, lighter rifles and moderate calibers. Velocity and tragectory don't seem so important anymore and I can shoot as far and effectively as ever. Deer don't seem to notice the difference.

Well said Charles. "Age and wisdom seem to meet somewhere around age 50."

I wish I'd said that.

vabowhntr · « **Reply #21 on:** January 24, 2010, 04:23:10 AM »

I bought my first 300 win mag (which ballistically is the same as the 300 wby) recently for an elk hunt. I was very pleased when the felt recoil with the same weight bullets was very close to the 30-06 I own, while giving me about 300 fps more with the 165 barnes tsx. The 300 win mag is heavier, and the felt recoil has about as much to do with the weight of the rifle and the design of the stock as the caliber.

gs50401 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 18, 2010, 03:43:44 PM »

I use a range load for my 300 wby vanguard. It is a 150 grain at 2700+ fps. Nice shove and fun to shoot. I developed it from the reloading manual that had a reduced load for the 300 H&H with the IMR 4198 powder that I use in my .223. It is safe in my rifle and I accept no responsibility for this or other loads used by anyone else.

lgm270 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 18, 2010, 05:46:27 PM »

Quote from: gs50401 on October 18, 2010, 03:43:44 PM

I use a range load for my 300 wby vanguard. It is a 150 grain at 2700+ fps. Nice shove and fun to shoot. I developed it from the reloading manual that had a reduced load for the 300 H&H with the IMR 4198 powder that I use in my .223. It is safe in my rifle and I accept no responsibility for this or other loads used by anyone else.

Well said. Your brass will last a long time too with a reduced load. There's a lot to be said for what you're doing. My friend used reduced loads in a 300 win mag and had a lot of fun with it. There is no reason not to own a big magnum and enjoy the fun of it if you are flexible enough to shoot down loads.

mattmillerrx · « **Reply #24 on:** October 19, 2010, 03:43:34 AM »

After reading this thread, my suggestions are:
1). If you don't reload, to start.
2). Work up three loads:
a). a light practice load (30-30 level) or possible use trail boss (would be less than a 30-30 level)
b). a medium load for use with most hunting (30-06 level)
c). a 300 wby load for use with long range hunting (does not have to be a max load)
3). Use a lead sled to help get the gun sighted in with full house loads and then shoot a few from a field position to verify.

OR

You don't mention your use for this gun. If that much gun is not needed in you hunting, trade it in on something more fitting.

Mulehell · « **Reply #25 on:** October 21, 2010, 01:41:42 PM »

Right now I own 1 300 WBY, I shot the barrel out of the first one. As said before it is not easy to master but once you do it has the capability to do it all in North America and rest of the world with the exception of dangerous game.

My advice is to start handloading and work into it. Once you're used to it its really not bad.

lgm270 · « **Reply #26 on:** October 21, 2010, 01:53:15 PM »

Quote from: Mulehell on October 21, 2010, 01:41:42 PM

Right now I own 1 300 WBY, I shot the barrel out of the first one. As said before it is not easy to master but once you do it has the capability to do it all in North America and rest of the world with the exception of dangerous game.

My advice is to start handloading and work into it. Once you're used to it its really not bad.

A great post Mulehell. Your emphasis on mastering the shooting skills to handle the 300 Wby is very well taken.

Swampman · « **Reply #27 on:** October 21, 2010, 01:58:08 PM »

Try raising the rifle up off the bench so you're upper body moves. I use 2 canvas penny bags under mine and I don't notice recoil. Hunching over into a heavy kicker will eat you up. The Past or Allen pads make a huge difference without boogering your rifle up.

I can't shhot a rifle in any kind of mechanical restraint like the Lead Sled.

Mulehell · « **Reply #28 on:** October 21, 2010, 02:59:52 PM »

That's sound advice Swampman also.

I have never used a LeadSled but have heard of plenty of stories of stocks ruined with them. If I were to use one I wouldn't overload it with weight, all of that recoil energy has to go somewhere and all of into the grip of the stock isn't where it needs to be.

Swampman · « **Reply #29 on:** October 21, 2010, 03:02:00 PM »

I just did a repair on my best friend's 300 Weatherby Mark V stock & recoil pad that were damaged by a Lead Sled.