Author Topic: The Senator Stevens scandal (Read 949 times)

Questor · « **on:** April 07, 2009, 09:46:16 AM »

Words cannot convey how appalled I am by the findings of the judge in Senator Stevens' case. If you read no other news story today, read that one.

oldandslow · « **Reply #1 on:** April 07, 2009, 10:39:25 AM »

I read it, also read some about it yesterday. Disgusting isn't it? But they got him out of the senate which was their objective. Now it has turned around and bit 'em in the butt. I hope everyone on the prosecuting team is disbarred and serve some time over this but I won't hold my breath waiting for it to happen.

Sourdough · « **Reply #2 on:** April 07, 2009, 11:28:33 AM »

This cost him his Senate seat. Many Alaskans are calling for a new election, since this tainted the one in November.

Questor · « **Reply #3 on:** April 07, 2009, 04:34:18 PM »

Sourdough:

I believe that would be fair. When all of this was happening to him I had no sense of whether he was guilty. But now that it is clear that he was railroaded, he deserves massive compensation. And the people of Alaska deserve a chance to decide.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #4 on:** April 07, 2009, 05:03:49 PM »

The Governor should have some heads over this. dont know how it works in Alaska but that man needs his job back. You know he kept insisting he had done nothing wrong! I dont know exactly what happend but it sure seems like there was a Charlie foxtrot going on up there!

mauser98us · « **Reply #5 on:** April 07, 2009, 05:25:08 PM »

This was done by the democrats to get him out of office, If you look at the politics of the prosecuter, I bet you will find him with links to the democrat party. He is just the fall guy and will suffer no conseqences . You gotta admire the demos they know how to fight in the gutter.

Sourdough · « **Reply #6 on:** April 07, 2009, 06:50:52 PM »

Bill Allen the governments star witness, had already given conflicting testimony in other trials here in Alaska. Bill Allens right hand man also testified under oath, that it was his idea to set Senator Stevens up to make it look like he was taking bribes so they (He and Bill Allen) could get Senator Stevens under their thumb. This all had taken place here in Alaska. The problem was that the DC defense attorneys for Senator Stevens did not know it at the time. The prosecutors did. The prosecutors also confiscated evidence from his home and offices then hid it from the defense, that evidence would have proved him innocent.

He was railroaded right out of office. When the judgment came down many people changed their vote to Begich, saying they just could not vote for a convicted felon. Now those same people feel they were duped into voting for someone they did not want. Also Begich's true colors have came out, and they don't like it.

Sara Palin has asked for Begich to step down so there can be a re-election, Begich has refused, saying he was elected and he intends to serve out the term.

gypsyman · « **Reply #7 on:** April 08, 2009, 02:00:30 AM »

Sounds to me like this Bill Allen guy, and his co-horts, need to go salmon fishing in the Pacific. gypsyman

jlchucker · « **Reply #8 on:** April 08, 2009, 02:39:56 AM »

Quote from: Questor on April 07, 2009, 04:34:18 PM

Sourdough:

I believe that would be fair. When all of this was happening to him I had no sense of whether he was guilty. But now that it is clear that he was railroaded, he deserves massive compensation. And the people of Alaska deserve a chance to decide.

He was pronounced guilty in the mainstream press on an everyday basis, for quite a spell of time even before the trial took place. The New York Times, Newsweek, CNN, MSNBC, and pretty much every libtard-leaning newspaper in the country were howling for the head of Stevens on a daily basis. His removal from office was based on a neatly organized big lie that kept being repeated, over and over. The tactic worked. IMO it even worked in the Presidential election. Look at that honest bunch of cabinet members that Obama keeps hiring.

Tommyt · « **Reply #9 on:** April 08, 2009, 03:20:30 AM »

Quote from: Questor on April 07, 2009, 04:34:18 PM

IMO it even worked in the Presidential election. Look at that honest bunch of cabinet members that Obama keeps hiring.

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Questor · « **Reply #10 on:** April 08, 2009, 04:18:43 AM »

I heard that Gov. Palin asked the guy elected to step down. I really believe this election should be void. I wonder whether there are any laws that cover corruption on this scale.

magooch · « **Reply #11 on:** April 08, 2009, 04:33:14 AM »

The Dumbycrats got rid of Tom Delay in a similar fashion in Texas. You have to give the Dems credit; they know how to play the game.

buckweet · « **Reply #12 on:** April 08, 2009, 06:33:17 PM »

the commie-crats make me sick.

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mirage1988 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 08, 2009, 06:41:04 PM »

Quote from: magooch on April 08, 2009, 04:33:14 AM

The Dumbycrats got rid of Tom Delay in a similar fashion in Texas. You have to give the Dems credit; they know how to play the game.

Same thing happened in minnesota with coleman vs. franken.

dukkillr · « **Reply #14 on:** April 08, 2009, 06:45:11 PM »

As a taxpayer in this country I really hope Ted hangs it up. If a special election is held I hope he wins then resigns... That guy's pork spending made me puke...

BTW, don't believe democrats are the only ones who convict people in the media... just look at what happened to Blagojevich. It cuts both ways... No party has a monopoly on hypocrisy.

mirage1988 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 08, 2009, 07:07:53 PM »

Duck-
You are the biggest hypocrite here-
your president has spent more in 6 weeks than ANY other president and you accuse stevens of pork barrel spending?
As an attorney you should know that a person is innocent until proven otherwise!

dukkillr · « **Reply #16 on:** April 08, 2009, 07:16:21 PM »

I agree that he is innocent until proven otherwise... I never said otherwise? And if I suspect the prosecutors who handled his case will be looking for another line of work shortly, probably without their bar cards.

I'm a hypocrite because Barack spends lots of money and Ted Stevens consistently won every pork spending contest in the last 20 years? I don't follow your logic.

Unfortunately I'm not falling for the old, "Somebody else did it worse..." defense. I'd fire them both if I could... but this thread is about Ted, so that's where the discussion went...

You're not one of those guys who thinks that everything "your" party does is right and everything the "other" party does is wrong are you? Surely you're smarter than that...

alsaqr · « **Reply #17 on:** April 09, 2009, 01:41:49 AM »

Quote

This was done by the democrats to get him out of office, If you look at the politics of the prosecuter, I bet you will find him with links to the democrat party

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It was done on the watch of Wya Bush. The federal prosecutor was appointed by Big Daddy Bush. I still think Stevens is is guilty. However, I do not like the way that the injustice dapartment went about it.

beerbelly · « **Reply #18 on:** April 09, 2009, 02:27:22 AM »

Blagojevich got caught cold , with his hand in the cookie jar, trying to sell a senate seat. Ted Stevens was railroaded by crooked democrat lawyers. Now where in the hell did the republicans have anything to do with doing in Blagojevich ?
Beerbelly

jlchucker · « **Reply #19 on:** April 09, 2009, 04:06:10 AM »

Quote from: beerbelly on April 09, 2009, 02:27:22 AM

Blagojevich got caught cold , with his hand in the cookie jar, trying to sell a senate seat. Ted Stevens was railroaded by crooked democrat lawyers. Now where in the hell did the republicans have anything to do with doing in Blagojevich ?
Beerbelly

Only in the minds of leftists whose main methodology in undermining the US is repeating a big lie over and over--until actual history becomes revisionist history.

Bigeasy · « **Reply #20 on:** April 09, 2009, 04:20:56 AM »

A quick thought on "Pork Barrel" spending. If you were a resident of Alaska, you would be happy with Steven's pork barrel spending, because it means more money going to your state in a variety of ways.

All Congressmen and Senators, to some extent, accept "pork" for their state, to build bridges, finance "studies", keep military bases open, whatever.....Its what helps improve the quality of life in that state, and create jobs. More money flowing in. Would you really want a representitive who did not fight for every dollar your state could get?

The Congressman or Senator who refuses all such pork is to be applauded for his convictions, but may face a short career in politics. The reason guys like Stevens are so strong for so long is because they look out for their state first, and because of the huge impact they make in their states, mostly in the form of money and jobs, is recognized by the people.

Larry

45-70.gov · « **Reply #21 on:** April 09, 2009, 04:30:56 AM »

Quote from: dukkillr on April 08, 2009, 06:45:11 PM

As a taxpayer in this country I really hope Ted hangs it up. If a special election is held I hope he wins then resigns... That guy's pork spending made me puke...

BTW, don't believe democrats are the only ones who convict people in the media... just look at what happened to Blagojevich. It cuts both ways... No party has a monopoly on hypocrisy.

yes i agree
but one party wants you gun rights more than the other
we need to do what ever it takes to stop the most evil of the two...because it will be one of the 2
even if we need to stoop to hypocracy

magooch · « **Reply #22 on:** April 09, 2009, 04:36:45 AM »

Bigeasy, you are correct, but the one thing that I thought John McCain was super right on was his stance against ear marks. It's true that one man's pork is another man's waste, so the best thing to do is eliminate the practice.

Sourdough · « **Reply #23 on:** April 09, 2009, 05:11:16 AM »

Evidence came out in other trials of Alaska State legislators that Bill Allen's people were trying to set Senator Stevens up. This information was hidden by the prosecutors. Hence the guilty verdict.

But the thing I see the most of is people bad mouthing Senator Stevens because he was good at his job. Yes he brought home pork. Money to fund things that the rest of the states take for granted. Highway maintenance, and bridge replacement. Money for sewage systems for towns and villages, where the occupants are still using honey buckets. Money for generators so the schools can have electric lights, and operate computers. Money for clinic upgrades, while the state and local communities may operate a clinic they do not have the money to upgrade buildings.

Without Senator Stevens we are going to regress back to the way things were in the 50s. His replacement has already fallen in with party lines as all good Democrats should. Our other Senator is ditshy and does not have a clue about what is going on. Hopefully we can replace her next election. Still Alaskans have to ask, where is our interstate highways? (Promised but never built by the feds.) Where is our dams for cheap hydroelectric power? Why do we only have 500 miles of railroad in the largest state in the union? (Seward to Fairbanks) The railroad was built during the 40s. Why can we not drive to Nome, Galena, Dillingham, or even to our state capital? The last highway built by the government was 37 years ago, Anchorage to Fairbanks. Two lane, and crooked as a snake.

Yes I am on a rant, but I get so mad when people talk about our Ex-Senator calling him the king of pork. When all he is trying to do is bring our standards of living up to the rest of the states. And to supply some of the things promised to us and never given by the federal government.

Senator Stevens we will miss you.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #24 on:** April 09, 2009, 05:24:37 AM »

if you want high ways buy them your self
with the oil you sell to the rest of us

oh i forgot feds won't let you drill will they
not trying to sound confrontational
just don't know why we in florida need need to build stuff there
or why your tax dollars are taken from you to build the sky way express in jacksonville fla

but i think tax money from the other 49 states needs to pay for you state to hold a speceal election

more and more it seems the party that brings home the most pork wins
one party gains a majority and cuts of the others pork to try to win that seat too
it is always why the minority party and the 3rd party can scream the loudest about pork
3rd parties get no pork............that is why they never last

dukkillr · « **Reply #25 on:** April 09, 2009, 06:22:40 AM »

We covered this discussion once before. If Alaska is too wild for you and the roads are too far apart and energy too expensive and blah blah blah then move. Otherwise take the money that the state pays you EVERY YEAR and spend it on the roads and whatever the rest of us call pork.

If these projects were such a great deal they would pass on their own merit based vote... that they get stuck into unrelated bills and not individually voted on tells me something...

mauser98us · « **Reply #26 on:** April 09, 2009, 12:41:41 PM »

King of Pork goes to Robert Byrd of West virginny

muskeg13 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 10, 2009, 08:16:15 AM »

Senator Stevens filed the papers yesterday to run again in 2014! He'll only be 89. In reality, he did this to be able to use funds that came in after last November's election to pay outstanding debts. Since Gov Sarah has pledged support for Sen Lisa Murkowski's 2010 reelection bid, I suspect Sarah herself will run and beat our lone Democrat in DC.

For those of you bent out of shape about Sen. Steven's success in bringing federal dollars into Alaska:

- How much federal money has gone into the infrastucture of your state?
- Do you have any interstate or US highways, any military bases, any ports, rail lines or large airports?
- Does your state have any federally funded education, jobs or health care programs?
- Are you willing to give any of that money back and refuse all federal funding in the future?

Or, are you ashamed by the poor efforts of your legislators to be effective in Congress and represent you well?

45-70.gov · « **Reply #28 on:** April 10, 2009, 09:14:37 AM »

more and more it seems the party that brings home the most pork wins
one party gains a majority and cuts of the others pork to try to win that seat too
it is always why the minority party and the 3rd party can scream the loudest about pork
3rd parties get no pork............that is why they never last

this is a copy of my previou post
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i don't know why i never loked at it that way
untill a few nights ago
if you don't get the pork you don't get elected or re-elected
you don't win money for those that elect you
you just don't get elected and your caracter and good intentions mean NOTHING
what is good for the country takes a back seat to getting money for those that vote for you
you get no money for the people that vote for you unless
you ally with and help others with similer values.....those in your party
3rd party if they ever won would get no pork and be black balled and as much as WE WOULD LIKE THEM
their contituents would not and they would never get re-elected

Sourdough · « **Reply #29 on:** April 10, 2009, 07:38:01 PM »

The Federal Government built interstate road systems in all the lower 48 states using the taxes paid by all Americans. Alaska was promised we would not be forgotten, that we would also get highways. Well we are still waiting.

Alaska is not looked at as a state, we are looked at as a colony. The federal government wants to micromanage everything up here. Senator Stevens was able to keep them at bay somewhat, over the years. But now we are wide open for abuse again from the federal government.