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Group Plans to Help Healthy Woman Die!!!!!!!!
« on: April 08, 2009, 12:49:40 PM »
How do you guys feel about a healthy person killing themself? I know it is against God but I think if you want to die it should be between you and God. I don't think there should be any law to stop a person from doing so. What are your thoughts on this? Dale
 

(April 3) - A healthy woman's desire to kill herself when her terminally ill husband dies -- a plan she intends to carry out with the help of a Swiss assisted suicide group -- has ignited a new right-to-die controversy.
Ludwig Minelli, the founder of the Swiss assisted suicide group, Dignitas, talked about the case in a recent interview with The Times of London. Assisted suicide is legal in Switzerland, and the group said it has helped more than 100 Britons die.
 On Helping People Die Ian Kerr / Point Grey Pictures7 photos   The Coumbias: In the documentary 'The Suicide Tourist,' Canadian couple Betty and George Coumbias travel to Zurich, Switzerland, to discuss dying together with the help of a firm there called Dignitas. George Coumbias has terminal heart disease and wants to choose the time of his death. Betty has no serious health problems but wants to die with her husband.

Minelli told BBC News his organization plans to test the limits of the Swiss law by helping a healthy person take her own life.
"There is a couple living in Canada, the husband is ill, his partner is not ill but she told us here in my living room that 'if my husband goes, I would go at the same time with him,' " he said Thursday. The couple in question is Betty and George Coumbias of Canada.
Minelli also acknowledged that his group helped some psychiatric patients commit suicide, BBC News said.
"I have a totally different attitude to suicide," Minelli said. "I say suicide is a marvelous possibility given to a human being."
A "suicide assistant" said she resigned from Dignitas because she was concerned about the way the organization dealt with couples and mentally ill people.
"I have no problem at all with assisted suicide, if somebody is terminally ill, my problem is with how Dignitas deals with it," Soroya Wernli told BBC News.
Patricia Hewitt, a former British health secretary, said Minelli's comments pointed to a need to tighten assisted suicide laws.
Dignitas came under fire last year for helping a 23-year-old Briton commit suicide. Daniel James was left paralyzed by a rugby injury but was not terminally ill.
In the United States, two states allow assisted suicide. Oregon sanctions physician-assisted suicide for terminally ill state residents. In Washington state, terminally ill patients with less than six months to live can ask their doctors to prescribe them lethal medication. Two doctors must certify that the patient has a terminal condition and six months or less to live.
In December, a Montana district judge ruled that doctor-assisted suicides are legal. That decision, which was based on an individual lawsuit, has gone to the state Supreme Court.
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Re: Group Plans to Help Healthy Woman Die!!!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2009, 12:53:59 PM »
you are your brothers keeper ?
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Re: Group Plans to Help Healthy Woman Die!!!!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2009, 01:09:41 PM »
you are your brothers keeper ?
I don't follow you on that one. Dale
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Re: Group Plans to Help Healthy Woman Die!!!!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2009, 02:01:22 PM »
I have seen many times where one person dies, and with in six months the healthy spouse dies.  The bond between them was so strong that the second person could not function with out the one that died.  Basically they just subconsciously shut their bodies down and died.  So if they feel that strongly, and that will be the final outcome anyway, why not?  They are going to do it one way or the other.
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Re: Group Plans to Help Healthy Woman Die!!!!!!!!
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2009, 02:06:01 PM »
The government should have no role in this other than to make it illegal for doctors assisting in suicide of non-terminally sick people.

If someone is terminally sick, it should be lawful for the doctor to assist if they choose to accept carrying out the suicide procedure. Other than that, no law should exsit that forces anyone to maintain their life or compel a doctor to participate in a suicide. That is as you say, between you & God
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2009, 04:13:49 PM »
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Re: Group Plans to Help Healthy Woman Die!!!!!!!!
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2009, 04:22:31 PM »
People that really want to kill themselves don't talk about it... they just do it.



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Re: Group Plans to Help Healthy Woman Die!!!!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2009, 04:50:27 PM »
That's their business.

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Re: Group Plans to Help Healthy Woman Die!!!!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2009, 05:13:02 PM »
If handguns were allowed in canada this wouldn't even be a story! :D

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Re: Group Plans to Help Healthy Woman Die!!!!!!!!
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2009, 05:21:40 PM »
People that really want to kill themselves don't talk about it... they just do it.



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Re: Group Plans to Help Healthy Woman Die!!!!!!!!
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2009, 06:38:40 PM »
The government should stay out of our lives except when they are called on to enforce a religious based form of morality on a population that doesn't unanimously agree with said imposition.

Personally, I dream of the day when we have a Christian theocracy where religous councils tell us what morals to have... after all, that's what the founding fathers wanted, right?

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Re: Group Plans to Help Healthy Woman Die!!!!!!!!
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2009, 04:21:51 AM »
HUH?
Christian theocracy??
When Christ returns He will bring a Theocracy.
I guess what I am having trouble with, in your thought process, is why the legalism in it?
Where does legalism have any place in Christianity?
Now, if you say, and you will, that we must have morals and a law too live by, I certainly would agree. To be judged, in a human court, by Gods law of sin and death is not my idea of your thought. All would have too be found guilty and die---including the judge and jury.
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Re: Group Plans to Help Healthy Woman Die!!!!!!!!
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2009, 04:39:47 AM »
Bill,

I think you may have missed the sarcasm in that.
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2009, 05:06:58 AM »
I have seen many times where one person dies, and with in six months the healthy spouse dies.  The bond between them was so strong that the second person could not function with out the one that died.  Basically they just subconsciously shut their bodies down and died.  So if they feel that strongly, and that will be the final outcome anyway, why not?  They are going to do it one way or the other.

with  the money  and effort  to prolong  the survivers  life and suffering
how  much  preventative  medicine  or  research  can  be done to prolong  the lives of those  that want to live
you  can not  save a life  only prolong it ..most  will  all  die  sooner  than  they would  like
don't begrudge  those  that get  to choose  the time and  place and  maner

people  seem to miss  the  point  that  is the biggest aspect  of most discussions  here

''WE''  dont have  to agree  or  make decisions  for ''OTHER''  people

these things will  happen.....like abortion  and drug abuse
just a matter whether  it  is in  the open  where  it can  be studied and regulated  for a better out come
and children  to see [the biggest  reason to not  allow  it]



you  either  beleive  in freedom  or  you don't.......and  it  is NEVER  free

this  seems  to  be  another  pro big brother discussion
i  just got  word  of an old friend  that  chose  to end  his life
i  think  i support  his  decision  but  then  my  opinion  doesn't  matter  and  have not talked  with  his wife
they  were  old when  i met then 33 years  ago
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OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: Group Plans to Help Healthy Woman Die!!!!!!!!
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2009, 06:18:52 AM »
My Grandmother had decided it was time to go.  She felt life was no longer worth living.  She called me to come and visit, I went.  She told me that would be the last time I would ever see her, and for me not to come back for her funeral, but to remember her as she was, not as someone lying in a casket.  Before I left I asked her doctor how she was doing, the doctor said she was doing just fine, no physical problems, she would be around for years.  I asked the nurses, they said she was too mean to have anything wrong with her. 

After I left she shut down and was dead within two weeks.

So what I am saying, is that if someone really wants to go there is no way we can stop them.  Let them go.
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Re: Group Plans to Help Healthy Woman Die!!!!!!!!
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2009, 06:19:02 AM »
Bill,

I think you may have missed the sarcasm in that.
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