Author Topic: pirates to be fought with water hose.. (Read 1283 times)

slim rem 7 · « **on:** April 08, 2009, 05:51:15 PM »

this current piracy we are reading about ,,shows just how crazy this world has become.. the cargo lines policy is for crew to fight off pirates,, with automatic weapons with water hoses..what this world is coming to just amazes me.. all the bad guys got guns ,,the good guys get to fight for thier lives with water hoses..

slim

nw_hunter · « **Reply #1 on:** April 08, 2009, 08:09:05 PM »

Quote from: slim rem 7 on April 08, 2009, 05:51:15 PM

this current piracy we are reading about ,,shows just how crazy this world has become.. the cargo lines policy is for crew to fight off pirates,, with automatic weapons with water hoses..what this world is coming to just amazes me.. all the bad guys got guns ,,the good guys get to fight for thier lives with water hoses.. slim

No doubt about it Slim.......Insanity is alive and well, all over the world.

Arier Blut · « **Reply #2 on:** April 08, 2009, 08:43:17 PM »

It is illegal but a current trend for the owners is to hire mercs to protect their cargo from piracy. The show stated that INTL law forbade weapons aboard cruise and container ships. They also spotlighted a cruise ship that defended against Somalis with rpgs and aks by running wide open and blasting them with sound waves. Nothing like a drag race at 8 knots while being fired upon.

stubshaft · « **Reply #3 on:** April 08, 2009, 09:31:59 PM »

We should'nt be calling them "pirates". CNN will probably do a story on these "misunderstood tourists" and the President (what a joke) will probably apoligize for the agressive posture the US has taken during this misunderstanding. He (Barack) will probably invite them to the White House for a chicken and waffle dinner to discuss the economical climate they are facing and offer to bail them out of their dire economical straits.

Questor · « **Reply #4 on:** April 09, 2009, 01:36:47 AM »

I do not understand why the crew is not armed. Piracy is nothing new, and neither is defending against them.

moxgrove · « **Reply #5 on:** April 09, 2009, 01:50:04 AM »

Here in in Minneapolis there is a massive investigation of money being siphoned to the pirates and terrorists by the oh so upright Somali refugees we have given asylum to. It just turns my stomach. They are given free cash and tax relief so they can send the money to their thug cousins and then p** and moan that we don't accept them as part of our community.

gypsyman · « **Reply #6 on:** April 09, 2009, 01:58:09 AM »

News report last night, at the Maritime School in Mass., they are now starting to teach firearm course's for the students. About time. And after watching news footage of some of the boardings, I believe a concrete block or 2 heaved over the side would know some sense into the pirate's head. That's just my .02 thou. gypsyman

jeepmann1948 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 09, 2009, 02:03:06 AM »

Seems like about 1803 or so we had a similar problem over there and we cured it quickly (for the time ) with a rather new bunch called the United States Marines the established the tradition of doing a GREAT job and opening large cases of whoop ass to those who mess with the USA!
Semper Fi!!

BBF · « **Reply #8 on:** April 09, 2009, 03:00:59 AM »

I don't know how many of you ever got real close and personal to one of those tankers or cargo ships while in a small boat. I have and unless someone puts down a ladder or you are "Spidey Boy" there is no way you are going to get up on the ship. I would prefer to use a steam hose over a water hose anytime .

magooch · « **Reply #9 on:** April 09, 2009, 04:11:51 AM »

I haven't heard, or watched any news this morning, but I'm wondering what obama is going to do with that destroyer. He might get the chance to show the world if he is a leader, or a wimp. Nothing he does would surprise me. No, actually I would be very surprised if he allows the Navy to do the right thing. Smoke them bastards.

We've asked nicely that folks not degrade our home state of Alabama aka Bama by calling that (censored word) in DC by our state's name. Next time your post will magically disappear. Graybeard.

skifastchad · « **Reply #10 on:** April 09, 2009, 04:17:16 AM »

Quote from: moxgrove on April 09, 2009, 01:50:04 AM

Here in in Minneapolis there is a massive investigation of money being siphoned to the pirates and terrorists by the oh so upright Somali refugees we have given asylum to. It just turns my stomach. They are given free cash and tax relief so they can send the money to their thug cousins and then p** and moan that we don't accept them as part of our community.

There are so many of them in MSP that I've often wondered when they will start pirating on the Mississippi river. I could see them hijacking the scrap metal barges in East St Paul.

Questor · « **Reply #11 on:** April 09, 2009, 06:19:58 AM »

Do you happen to know why the crews aren't armed? I assure you that if I were running freight anywhere in the world, there would be arms aboard. The arms would include shotguns and submachine guns, and probably rocket launcher of some sort. It's only prudent.

What prevents these companies from arming their crews?

Sourdough · « **Reply #12 on:** April 09, 2009, 06:37:52 AM »

A few shoulder fired missals and Barrett 50s would repeal any pirates. The problem now is that these ships are unarmed per maritime law, time to change the law. The boats the pirates have are faster, and they can shoot lines up and over the side to climb and board. Anyone going near the boarding lines to throw them over the side, are shot at with guns or grenades.

These merchant marines are taking water hoses to a gun fight. They are going to lose.

Personally I feel we need to go in and strafe or bomb the port cities that support these pirates. "OH, the innocents", you say. The innocents are the support staff, and future pirates in training. Need to put a stop to it once and for all.

We also need to watch for the Mother Ships that are out there. Once confirmed blow them out of the water.

rex6666 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 09, 2009, 07:29:11 AM »

Has anyone made contact with MYRONMAN or know where he is?

could not resist, you all new it was coming.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 09, 2009, 07:56:08 AM »

Instead of water hoses how about high pressure hoses shooting out 375 degree oil at 2500 psi? Boiling oil used to work from the castle walls. And the lightly dressed pirates would be wearing 2nd and 3rd degree burns for a long time.

Sourdough · « **Reply #15 on:** April 09, 2009, 08:13:16 AM »

I also heard that ALCIDA gets a cut of their proceeds. From what I was hearing, there is a big organization funding this, and collecting the money. The pirates are just paid mercenaries, being paid for a job. The money is being sent to fund Alcida in their wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Any one else hear this?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #16 on:** April 09, 2009, 11:50:08 AM »

be careful or you will wake up one day and all ships flying American flag will be under the Navy . It happened to the banks and looks like GM .
It could happen all in an effort to arm them for there own good !

powderman · « **Reply #17 on:** April 09, 2009, 04:35:39 PM »

HEH. Fill the water hoses with pig blood and make sure they know what it is. POWDERMAN.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #18 on:** April 09, 2009, 04:46:23 PM »

Quote from: powderman on April 09, 2009, 04:35:39 PM

HEH. Fill the water hoses with pig blood and make sure they know what it is. POWDERMAN.

I like that idea.

Is that not like Holy water to satin? I say cover every deck and person with it. Dale

mirage1988 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 09, 2009, 05:56:46 PM »

Quote from: BBF on April 09, 2009, 03:00:59 AM

I don't know how many of you ever got real close and personal to one of those tankers or cargo ships while in a small boat. I have and unless someone puts down a ladder or you are "Spidey Boy" there is no way you are going to get up on the ship. I would prefer to use a steam hose over a water hose anytime .

Quote from: gstewart44 on April 09, 2009, 07:56:08 AM

Instead of water hoses how about high pressure hoses shooting out 375 degree oil at 2500 psi? Boiling oil used to work from the castle walls. And the lightly dressed pirates would be wearing 2nd and 3rd degree burns for a long time.

I think they might have an allergic reaction to lead. I would rather have cremated somalis rather than deep-fried, or steamed.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 10, 2009, 02:39:18 AM »

I think they might have an allergic reaction to lead. I would rather have cremated somalis rather than deep-fried, or steamed.
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That makes me laugh!!!

billy_56081 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 10, 2009, 02:56:08 AM »

For most ships arming would work great, but the tankers have another issue, they are constantly venting very flammable natural gas. Now I think the hot oil on the tankers would have a nice effect.

Hopefully the pirates will be killed, a dead pirate is a threat to no one. But we will all see how the liberal scums messiah deal with them.

BBF · « **Reply #22 on:** April 10, 2009, 04:11:42 AM »

There are several other nations that have warships in the area, so far none of them had the authority from their respective Govt. to sink the pirates as far as I know. Now let them grab some Chinese ships and see how Bejing will react

!!

PS. Find the Mothership(s)!

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #23 on:** April 10, 2009, 04:22:11 AM »

Quote from: BBF on April 10, 2009, 04:11:42 AM

There are several other nations that have warships in the area, so far none of them had the authority from their respective Govt. to sink the pirates as far as I know. Now let them grab some Chinese ships and see how Bejing will react !!

PS. Find the Mothership(s)!

I don't think Russia would put up with it either. Dale

BBF · « **Reply #24 on:** April 10, 2009, 04:36:57 AM »

Dale, I agree, there are a few more Nations that have the gonads to "search and destroy" without a referendum or long debates. I don't know if the North Koreans have cargo ships, that is another country that would make short work of this spectacle.

magooch · « **Reply #25 on:** April 10, 2009, 04:48:13 AM »

Maybe I'm turning into a conspiracy guy, but the thought occurs to me that the insurance companies who insure the ships and their cargos would rather pay ransom than pay for a sunken ship and its cargo. And maybe the shipping company CEOs have a little deal going with the pirates whereby the CEO shares in the ransom-take which could be used to offset the insurance premium, or just pad the CEOs back pocket. Have I been watching too much TV?

rex6666 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 10, 2009, 04:50:13 AM »

I don't remember how Russia handled it when they grabbed their ship before.

powderman · « **Reply #27 on:** April 10, 2009, 04:58:22 AM »

Unless I'm mistaken, Russia did nothing but pay the ransom when her military cargo was stolen by these scum. They kept it very quiet. When our captain is released, the scum should be executed on the spot. He traded himself for his crew. I read that he escaped off their boat but was recaptured before our navy could get to him. Bet he didn't vote for osama. We know where these Godless scum live, the ports they use, destroy them. We surely know the range of their boats, find the mother ship and sink it with all aboard, pick up no survivors. Treat these scum like the vermin they are. POWDERMAN.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 10, 2009, 05:19:40 AM »

The pirates on the North african coast reigned over the Mediterranean and up to England/Ireland over a period of 400 years. They raided coastal towns and took european prisoners for either ransom or slaves. Most of the European powers paid tribute/ransom for "immunity" from the raids. This went on for hundreds of years.

The moral of this story is - pay the Islamic pirates their ransom and they will continue to do it. It's an acceptable way of life for them. And they will continue until someone has the canastas to destroy their coastal home ports/safe havens the way that Pres. Thomas Jefferson did. The scumbags left the US alone after they got a taste of USMC.

when France conquered Algieria the pirates lost their home ports there as well and disappeared from those waters.

Lessons learned: NO Ransom - only perpetuates their actions. 2) Destroy/eradicate their home ports/safe havens. They cannot stay at sea forever. Put a hole in the hull of every mother ship.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #29 on:** April 10, 2009, 05:28:54 AM »

I'm not understanding why there aren't marines placed on board these ships when they are in that area. That's how the Marines came to be. With the technology we have today they could be placed on board by chopper and picked up when the vessel is out of harms way. I know that is not against international law, There are marines on board the Maersk ship now to take it to its destination.

Don't discount the speed of a cruise ship! The Queen Mary was so fast that she did not have escorts when she crossed the Atlantic with troops during the war she was too fast, Escorts could not keep up! The Cruise ships today may not be as fast but they are fast enough! With the addition of Radar that can pick up an attacking vessel miles away, their speed and the sound blast will be a big deterrent. Not to mention that with their speed there is no reason for them to be in those waters! They can go around the known pirate haunts!

A good ploy would be to use a decoy ship like they used in WW1. Looking like a duck but with fangs! if you know what I mean.

Lastly, This can be stopped if the Countries involved decide to do it! But they seem to lack the spirit to do so, and this president seems to just want to be loved by the middle east!

Randy