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OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« on: April 09, 2009, 05:45:50 AM »
Listening to the radio this morning.  American Ship taken on the high seas by pirates.  Ships crew fights back with fist and retakes ship.  Captain is kidnapped, and held for ransom.

American Navy on the scene.  Resources available.

Secretary Of State Clinton calls that this scourge must stop.  She understands the situation.  Does Obama? 

Is he (Obama) going to do anything about it.  Or is he going to bow to his kinsmen and say, "Pay the ransom"?

OH YEA, they can tack it on to the stimulious package, it isn't that much money, think of the poor Somali children.  (Future Pirates)

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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2009, 05:46:47 AM »
I heard that the shipping line would rather pay the ransom.
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2009, 06:02:08 AM »
That's the problem, no body will stand up to these pirates.  And each time they get a payoff they get that much stronger.  They can afford newer and better weapons.  Newer and better navigation equipment, newer and better boats.  No, it's extortion the company should not be allowed to pay extortion money. 

As Clinton said it needs to be stopped.  There is no peaceful way to do that, so Obama is going to have to make a decision.  Do we pay extortion, or do we stop it once and for all.

I'll bet he caves and pays.

Reagen would not have.  Neither would have Kennedy, Eisenhower, Johnson, Ford, Bush Sr. or Bush Jr.  Carter would have folded, and Obama is like Carter I think.
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2009, 06:10:55 AM »
This is just me, although some may agree, I would let Maersk pay the ransom, and retrieve our citizen.


But the pirates would not live to spend that ransom. 

And let the $10 million go down with them.

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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2009, 06:16:39 AM »
What a jackass response. FBI indeed! If I were a pirate I'd be laughing at this. Do they really train FBI to negotiate with pirates? :

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-04-09-somali-pirates-us-thursday_N.htm

Have you noticed that Obama always has the same response to everything with serious implications:
"Barack Obama, facing one of the first national security tests of his presidency, declined comment Thursday when asked about the standoff."

Then there is the sage wisdom of Clinton, who doesn't know what to do either:
"We're deeply concerned and we're following it very closely," Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said. "More generally, the world must come together to end the scourge of piracy."
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2009, 06:34:17 AM »
Quote from: Questor on April 09, 2009, 06:16:39 AM
What a jackass response. FBI indeed! If I were a pirate I'd be laughing at this. Do they really train FBI to negotiate with pirates? :

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-04-09-somali-pirates-us-thursday_N.htm

Have you noticed that Obama always has the same response to everything with serious implications:
"Barack Obama, facing one of the first national security tests of his presidency, declined comment Thursday when asked about the standoff."

Then there is the sage wisdom of Clinton, who doesn't know what to do either:
"We're deeply concerned and we're following it very closely," Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said. "More generally, the world must come together to end the scourge of piracy."



   It's amazing how the responses from officials never exceed that of an 8th grade book report.
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2009, 06:37:45 AM »
Can somebody tell me why these sailors dont have weapons to defend themselves?
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2009, 06:41:10 AM »
I believe maritime Law says they are to be unarmed.  Therefore no war ship has a right to attack them.  Time to change the law, it make them easy targets for Pirates.
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2009, 06:44:13 AM »
  Only one way to stop them. Sink them.
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2009, 07:38:27 AM »
this is very simple, have we not been to Samolia before
pay the ranson get our citizen back then have 1 or 2 battleships come in and
have target practice on the main land, until it is one big pothole. as
for the poor children what do you think they are going to be 10-20 years
from now if left to train with their fathers. Kill their wives,children,dogs,cats
burn their homes and better not here a word said as we ride off.
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2009, 07:52:37 AM »
Never negotiate.
Why do you think this hasn't happened for 200 years.

Would you rather see this one captain die or see another American ship hijacked every week?
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2009, 08:02:52 AM »
This will be a challenge to the Somalis, they will hit the next American ship just to show they can.  Next time they will kill the crew saying they fought back.  They will tell the world it was our fault for fighting.  Then they will ask for the normal ransom.

rex6666: We are on the same page.
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2009, 08:53:47 AM »
let  the pirates  have them

they  are stupid  enough to  obey  a sptupid  law  and  go about unarmed
only to be  victimized by  those that ignore the  law

don't  ask  me  or  my tax dollars  to come  to their rescue
people  need  to assume responsibility for their own  security

this  is a prime example  of why  disarmament  only works  for those  unwilling to disarm

how  much  money will a ''war on piracy''cost  us
and  how much  our freedom impacted??

how much will  it cost  to merely  allow people to defend themselves??

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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2009, 08:58:42 AM »
we have no battleships if i remember .
But we do have subs and seals . they will have to leave the ship and go somewhere sooner or later . seems a nasty accident could be arranged for them with no clues left . and the transfer of funds be reversed . Or a decoy ship with a sub along for fun .
Nothing new here Thomas Jefferson sent the Marines to hunt and kill pirates when he was the president .
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2009, 09:26:59 AM »
  I have NO doubt that if the US wanted this thing done long ago it would be done. OUR(American Citizen's) military could take swift action if necessary, but it's not their call. I just wish Teddy Roosevelt was President again......  I liked his view....."Don't start a fight you can't finish"............
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2009, 09:31:48 AM »
The only choice those pirates should have is execution in prison or right there in the boat.

That way the next pirate that finds himself on an American ship will piss himself trying to jump overboard.
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2009, 09:32:43 AM »
My wife says, "Send in the Seals and let them handle it as they see fit". 

As you may gather, my wife is hard core military.
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2009, 09:52:26 AM »
heres another one
AIRCRAFT CARRIER (do we have one)
let the guys practice, TAKE OFF, BOMB RUN, LAND, REARM, REFUEL, REPETE
AS MANY TIMES AS NESASARY. forget the one big pothole, let's lower
the hole country to at least sea level, then in the hundreds of years to come
other people can teacher their children what happens when UNCLE SAM
has had enough. :o
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2009, 10:01:28 AM »
Obama has already failed on this in my opinion. He is sitting back with his thumb up his back side hoping none of his brothers get harmed.
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2009, 10:13:09 AM »
they are in a lifeboat last i heard and were out of gas.  how hard is it to just kill them?  they have one chip, the captain.  start sniping pirates.  they kill the captian, they all die.  they give him up, shoot a hole in the boat and let them go.   
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2009, 10:30:28 AM »
Myronman - I like that way of thinking but I was wondering - how challenging is it to snipe at a moving object (pirates in a boat) from a platform in motion (another vessel or helicopter)?   I have only hunted meat on the hoof with a rifle, and feathers in the air with a shotgun.   
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2009, 10:34:52 AM »
they are out of gas and a seal hasn't drilled a hole in the boat yet ?
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2009, 11:29:28 AM »
Navy shooters are pretty darn good at hitting a target abord a boat and can do it from a helicopter, We have blanket permission to attack the pirates, even ashore, but our goverment don't want to bother with them.
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2009, 11:36:49 AM »
guess they would shoot like the guys that shot the triggers on mines from the decks of ships
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2009, 12:03:41 PM »
You bring in the negotiator (as they have) and try to get a peacefull surrender.

The next step would be taking the pirates into custody, interogate, and charge them.

Finally, there needs to be a cooperative worldwide effort to gain control of the seas.



At this point, we're going about the hostage situation the correct way.
What will happen after this situation is resolved has yet to unfold.
A problem that has been ignored for too long should begin to gain some action.
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2009, 12:07:15 PM »
are  you serious  or  are  you just one of  us trying to be funny

i  have read some of your other  post
you can't  be that  liberal  except as  a joke
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2009, 12:10:20 PM »
Charge them with what??   The same thing we "charged" the terrorists at Gitmo with and are now going to be letting them go?

Interrogation only works if there's consequences on the backside, which there won't be.  They'll just wait it out and then go back to business as usual.

There is only one way to solve this problem.  Recognize evil for what it is and eliminate it.
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2009, 12:12:07 PM »
well he-- lets just stroll up to um and drop a daisy in the barrel of their AK . And show um we really care and support um .

And when they drop their guard blast the bas--rds to bits , just an idea !
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2009, 12:25:46 PM »
Gstewart;
  My Marine grandson told me that his pal..the one who covered his back in Ramadi & Fallujah has completed his Marine Sniper school and is now teaching other Marines how best to snipe from a helicopter..just sharing info.
  The Marines took care of the Barbary (Muslim) pirates in 1801 and they could easily do it today..all they need is a green light...and natiuonal leaders with "stones".
  Notice in the link about half way down..Muslim chiefs today mouth the very same words..

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
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Re: OK, Here It Is, Obama's First Test.
« Reply #29 on: April 09, 2009, 12:38:11 PM »
I'm not trying to be funny.
I'm trying to be realistic instead of what they do in the movies and video games.

What are we suppost to do in this situation???

If you open fire, all you're going to do is get the hostage killed. In a normal 1x1 hostage situation, I'm certainly for a sniper killing the hostage taker provided the timing is correct. That's not the case because of the number of pirates and the fact they are on the ocean. We'd like to have him back safe and sound.
Just because we have a negotiator there doesn't mean he is "negotiating" in the sense that we are caving in to their demands.


Until negotiation/surrender fails, we continue doing what we're doing.
The best case senario (textbook play in this) would be the pirates throwing their weapons in the water and allowing the military to board the raft. At that point, they become prisioners because it's crazy to think the US military is just going to execute people who have their hands up in the air.

If it comes down to killing the pirates, then we do what we have to do. From what's being reported, we're not at that stage yet though.
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