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Offline bubba.50

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spanish reformado question
« on: April 09, 2009, 06:24:55 AM »
hello, not new to guns but new to forum. after enjoying this site for some time finally made the move to sign on. have a question regarding reformado. in most posts people talk about short brass life but most spanish are .43. mine is the one that takes .454 bullets. does this brass hold up better? were other people using sorry bertram brass? brass i have is from buffalo arms made from .348 win. how does it hold up? thanks to anyone who can help a pilgrim in the right direction. also, as i don't want to spend half as much on dies as i did the gun, can bullets be seated w/ 45/70 or .45 colt dies? don't re-size my bpcr brass. thanks again, bubba.     p.s. i'm not the bubba i see mentioned a lot but i have seen his work. fixed quite a bit of it over the years.
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Re: spanish reformado question
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2009, 06:32:25 AM »
The main problem with using Bertram brass in the .43 Spanish Remington Rolling Block rifles was that the cartridge cases tended to have thin rims, and that, in combination with oversized chambers gave an excessive headspace condition.  Thus, the cases tended to stretch and separate after relatively few firings.

The fireformed .348 Winchester cases work out much better, with thicker rims and sturdy case construction, and I've used them with good results in .43 Spanish, .43 Egyptian, and .50 Swedish.

The real secret in long case life is to avoid full-length resizing and setting back the shoulder.  The chambers of these early RRB can be pretty sloppy, and repeatedly crunching down the cases to fit the chamber is a guarantee for case failure.

As for your question of using .45-70 or .45 Colt seating dies to seat .43 Spanish, I don't believe it would work.  The .43 Reformado/.43 Spanish cartridge is larger in the base dimension than .45-70, so the case won't fit in the seating die.  The "neck" is too short to reach the crimp shoulder and also will not fit in the .45 Colt seating die.  Actually, for blackpowder loading, case sizing is not even necessary, nor is mouth crimping.  The old single-shot rifles don't need a tight bullet-to-case fit, and the cartridge doesn't have to cycle through a repeating mechanism.  After initial fireforming using pistol powders, tissue wad and Cream of Wheat, and neck expanding, they are ready to load.  I normally use a grease wad, seat the bullet by hand, and load and fire.  The cases I use have held up to dozens of reloads without any neck or full-length resizing.
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Re: spanish reformado question
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2009, 07:08:32 AM »
thanks john. i don't size bpcr brass either. just wondered if seating stem of colt or 45-70 die would screw down far enough to seat bullets. just don't wanta spend half as much for dies as i did for the gun. after compressing powder ones in my 50-70 are finger fit. hafta be sure & carry them straight up so bullets don't slide out. thanks again, bubba.
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Re: spanish reformado question
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2009, 06:45:16 PM »
The .45-70 has a smaller base diameter than the .43 by about .012.
If your going to shoot that rifle you might just as well bite the bullet and look for dies for it.
The .43 was my first center fire rifle I bought out of the back pages of the NRA magazine for $18. when I was 14 and I have had several black powder cartridge rifles chambered for the bottle neck cases and I still shoot a .44 Sharps BN.
I never had much luck with Bertram brass, it just wont last.
The .348 Win brass from Buffalo Arms is good brass and it will last a long time if you wash it out and clean it good.
A dirty bottle neck case will not last long, and one more important note with a bottle neck case using black powder is not seating a bullet below the case neck. That is death for the case and accuracy also.

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Re: spanish reformado question
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2009, 02:46:28 AM »
The 43 Reformado is a really odd bird.  It is not a bottlenecked cartridge, but is belled.  There were very few belled cartridges ever developed.  (there were actually 4 different Spanish cartridges designated as 43's.  a carbine round with a 433 bullet, a longer round with a .433 bullet, the standard 43 Spanish that is most encountered with the .439 bullet and the largest, the 43 reformado with the brass jacketed bullets.  I have had rollers in each of the four.  However, about 6 years ago, someone visited my home while I was away and decided they needed the gun for the little carbine round more than I needed it.  (SOB's probably chopped the barrel off and rebarrelled it.)   

I think each can be made from the Spanish basic brass or from 358 Winchester, (if you can find that)    I still have the reformado roller made in Oviedo under license from Remington.    Never fired it though.       

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Re: spanish reformado question
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2009, 08:49:35 AM »
hey long carabiner. good to hear from someone else w/1 of these strange ducks. most people think of the standard 43 when you say spanish. asked the question about loading as i didn't really want to spend half as much for dies as i did for the gun and then find out it didn't shoot. would have too much in it then. so, as my 45=70 & 50-70 dies are different brands & wouldn't interchange, i took seating plug out of 50 die & used it to seat primers, then used 45 bullets that closest matched seat plug to push 405 grainers into shells over 70 grs. powder & 2 milk carton wads. hope to try out this week if rain ever stops. then should at least know if i want to fool with it or just re-barrel. anyway, good to hear from you and remember-hold center.
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