Author Topic: "If I Only Had a Gun" (Read 1864 times)

Halwg · « **on:** April 10, 2009, 12:50:59 PM »

Tonight on 20-20. Looks interesting. Talks about what you would do if you had a gun and found yourself confronted by one of the mass shooters.

I want to watch it and see how it's presented. Discussions to follow!!

Autorim · « **Reply #1 on:** April 10, 2009, 01:13:20 PM »

I may be wrong, but don't over expect.

.308 Win. · « **Reply #2 on:** April 10, 2009, 02:11:37 PM »

I'm going to watch it, too. Diane Sawyer did a small piece on it during the news earlier tonight. They talked about how UNtrained people would be prone to making mistakes, shooting innocent bystanders, etc. You really can't expect the liberal media to shed a positive light on the rights of free people. Makes me sick and Diane Sawyer is from my home state of Kentucky. She is from Louisville but I guess she's forgotten where she came from. I would refuse to do a piece that reflected us gun owners in a negative light. I know...she's paid a lot of money to do it but there are more important things than money. I guess we shall see.

tn_junk · « **Reply #3 on:** April 10, 2009, 03:06:30 PM »

Just remember two things while watching this:
1. The Media is biased against gun ownership by individuals.
2. Obama is still the media darling, and he is opposed to gun
ownership by individuals, though he hasn't had the stones to
say so publically lately. Review his comments concerning the
gun laws in and around Chicago when he was a senator.

I think 60 minutes is doing something similar.

I fully expect a coordinated attack on the 2nd ammendment by the media, the Liberal
Congress and eventually Obama himself. I would say this is the beginning of the end of our gun rights, but that happened the first Tuesday in November, 2008.

alan

.308 Win. · « **Reply #4 on:** April 10, 2009, 05:12:04 PM »

Just like I thought. I just sent 20/20 an e-mail complaining about the bias they showed on this program. I also told Diane Sawyer I was ashamed of her and her network. Typical liberal media broadcast but what really pisses me off more than anything is that they have a platform from which to broadcast their b.s. to millions across the nation and we don't. God, I HATE these people!!!!!!!!!!!!! They're just too ignorant to understand crime has been with us since Cain killed Able with a rock. What's next? Are they going to outlaw rocks next? Where does the insanity end? We've GOT to get the other side of the story told and it's our responsibility to make that side known. Since we are without a broadcasting station, we have to do this the only way we can, through word of mouth. I do it all the time.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #5 on:** April 10, 2009, 05:39:41 PM »

Didn't even watch! This ain't my first BBQ!

In that light we should outlaw Little Scion cars! The lady in California was trying to run down cops in one and a lot of people get killed in little cars every year they are inherently dangerous so WE MUST TAKE THEM OFF THE ROAD !

Cheesehead · « **Reply #6 on:** April 10, 2009, 05:53:38 PM »

I watched the whole thing. 100% biased anti gun. Not one mention of any positive situations involved in concealed carry. They put inexperience people in extreme situations designed to make them fail.

Cheese

Oldshooter · « **Reply #7 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:03:47 PM »

Cheese you werent surprised were you?

Cheesehead · « **Reply #8 on:** April 10, 2009, 06:19:08 PM »

I was surprised by the 100% bias. My fault.

Cheese

PeculiarSatyr · « **Reply #9 on:** April 10, 2009, 09:36:01 PM »

20/20 actually did a piece 2 years ago...Basically John Stossel talking about the myth that gun control reduces violence.

I could tell by the commercial I saw that this was going to be a piece of biased trash.

Cookiemann · « **Reply #10 on:** April 11, 2009, 12:35:28 AM »

Well, I did all that I could do last night. My 12yr old grandson and I watched it together. He noted that there was nothing favorable being said about owning a firearm and and made the statement to me " Guns don't kill people, people kill people" early on in the program. As the program progressed, he and I discussed parts of it and I am pleased to tell you all, the training has taken root. This boy's got his head on straight and will pass on what he has learned.

I have only ever been to 2 gun shows in arenas such as the one they showed last night. Are the events and methods they portrayed accurate? I witnessed one such buy at a show, but it was obvious that the buyer(behind the table) and the seller had transacted some business earlier in the day and for all I know, the seller who walked up and initiated the sale, may have been another one of the dealers. Also, there were NO un-cased weapons entering or leaving the arena, as was shown last night on the program. I also recall watching a couple of dealers on their cell phones, checking out buyers before they would complete a sale. That portion of the program was the most disturbing to me, as far as the bias of the piece was concerned.

It was a set up slanted against gun owners and merchants from the start. And where do they get thier stats and numbers....they never tell us.

308Win, you are absolutely right. We have to do ALL we can to get the word out. And that begins right here at home for me. With my 2 grandsons, my nieces, nephews and the folks in my neighborhood.

Also, I am glad the the NRA and Wayne was wise enough not to get in a pissin' match with these guys on this particular program. They get enough opportunities to twist and churn words and stories. This was not the place for that.

cookie

ironglow · « **Reply #11 on:** April 11, 2009, 01:06:11 AM »

A simple rule..Don't expect any honesty from the four great Sewer systems..ABC, NBC, CBS, or CNN...

Brett · « **Reply #12 on:** April 11, 2009, 02:48:46 AM »

Quote from: Cheesehead on April 10, 2009, 05:53:38 PM

I watched the whole thing. 100% biased anti gun. Not one mention of any positive situations involved in concealed carry. They put inexperience people in extreme situations designed to make them fail.

Cheese

I would like to have asked Diane Sawyer if the partisipants in their little classroom scenario would have been any less 'dead' if they had not been armed.

Didn't it seem odd to you that the armed student was always seated in the center of the class room and that the 'attacker' always new exactly where the armed individual was seated and that they were always the first target right after the instructor was taken out. I smell a rat.

Halwg · « **Reply #13 on:** April 11, 2009, 02:56:59 AM »

I found this comment on the show to be well written and concise.

"Perhaps the foremost problem with this report, without even getting to the questionable setup of the classroom scenarios and lack of analysis of opposing views, is its focus on active shooter, mass murder situations, which constitute a small percentage of overall gun crimes and account for relatively few deaths. As others have mentioned, there are many situations in which a gun is used in a one-on-one or one-with-multiple-assailants confrontation, and in which its mere presence is enough to avert bloodshed. Dr. Gary Kleck estimates that approximately 2 million defensive uses of guns occur in the US every year, with about 25% occurring outside of the person's home. Of these, he estimates that only 3% result in the actual firing of the gun. As a society, we often assess risk poorly, and it's no wonder; the disproportionate attention paid to this rare type of active shooter situation, and its use as a vehicle to forward the agenda that guns are, in general, too readily available and people are too inexperienced to use them is incredibly misguided."

markp · « **Reply #14 on:** April 11, 2009, 03:31:43 AM »

I fully expect a coordinated attack on the 2nd ammendment by the media, the Liberal
Congress and eventually Obama himself. I would say this is the beginning of the end of our gun rights, but that happened the first Tuesday in November, 2008.

alan

I agree with alan. Our gun rights will likely soon be under a hudge coordinated assault.

ironglow · « **Reply #15 on:** April 11, 2009, 03:36:12 AM »

  Halwg;
  Of course one small comment doesn't provide "fair & balanced". Much like negative things about the war in Iraq got headlines inthe NY Slimes and the Washington compost..while positive news was placed in the back corner of page 33..fair & balanced, I guess...
   Of course, now that the Socialist/Marxists are in charge we don't get so many negative headlines..85 troops killed Afghanistan last month..seen any headlines about that ?

Notice how the media Obama groupies are trying to tie in the international drug smuiggling problem with American's personally owned guns ..

Oldshooter · « **Reply #16 on:** April 11, 2009, 03:43:43 AM »

Anyone that really knows where Obama comes from, knows how he feels about the second amendment, but he wont do nothing, he will sit back and let his dogs hunt, then when the bill is on his desk to be signed he will say " I did not want it to come to this but in this time of Random violence by people with guns I have no choice but to sign this legisation into law" or some such poppycock!

You Obama supporters deserve this crap!

Quote

Of course, now that the Socialist/Marxists are in charge we don't get so many negative headlines..85 troops killed Afghanistan last month..seen any headlines about that ?

Aint that the truth!

Three44s · « **Reply #17 on:** April 12, 2009, 06:02:57 PM »

Typical "Dianne Sawyer treatment" of the 2A!

Did not watch it ......... after having thrown several bricks through the television since O'bummer strutted into 1600 Pennsylvainia Ave. ..... it ain't workin' so hot lately.

Three 44s

Oldshooter · « **Reply #18 on:** April 12, 2009, 06:29:44 PM »

I have not used a brick yet!

But I knew better than to watch it!

ironglow · « **Reply #19 on:** April 13, 2009, 12:40:47 AM »

Get a sponge that is shaped and colored like a brick..LOL

Brett · « **Reply #20 on:** April 13, 2009, 01:53:21 PM »

NSSF like the NRA refused to get into a p!$$!%& match with 20/20s producers also.

STAYING OUT OF THE CROSS HAIRS . . . ABC's 20/20 ran a hit piece on firearms and firearms' owners on Friday evening. NSSF was asked numerous times by 20/20 Senior Producer Muriel Pearson to participate in the story, but understanding the piece was a set-up we refused. “After pointing out to Ms. Pearson that our refusal to participate in the program did not absolve her team of their responsibility to ask hard-hitting questions of those supporting gun control, we supplied 20/20 with information on the more than 20,000 gun laws on the books and data from the Department of Justice and Bureau of Justice Statistics related to firearms,” said NSSF Director of Public Affairs Ted Novin. "Unfortunately, given 20/20's refusal to disclose any of the information we provided -- information that interfered with their already pre-established and desired anti-gun conclusion -- it has become all too clear that journalistic impartiality on firearms issues at 20/20 is limited to John Stossel."

williamlayton · « **Reply #21 on:** April 14, 2009, 02:04:09 AM »

This is about the only thing they got right.
Guns are not for everybody--the same for cars, alcahol, and marriage, too name a few.
You can't just buy a gun and say, now I am protected.
Guns are not for everybody-------but they can be-----IF, you take the time to do it correctly.
Blessings

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #22 on:** April 14, 2009, 02:46:55 AM »

I did not watch , did I need to ?
All people should have a chance to protect themselves . It is their responsiblity to get what ever equipment they need to feel safe . They must learn how to and when to use it . In the case of a mass killing spree you may be well trained but find your training wasn't like what you face , you then must decide as you go .
Some will not try to stop the shooter if they themselves are not attacked , some will try to stop the shooter and die or get hurt doing so while others will infact stop the shooter .
For any one to say it is wrong to stop a killer or its wrong to be protected with a weapon or training or both IMHO is pure BS ment only to support a sheep like mentality .
Could a person stopping the killer hurt someone else ? sure but in the same thought how many did he save ?
If we wish not to have mass killing then we should never meet in groups as that is the only sure way to avoid them . If we wish to meet in groups then all or a few armed only makes sense as not being prepared does not insure not being attacked . In fact it makes it more possible as attackers look for easy targets . When was the last murder in a police function in this country ?

BBF · « **Reply #23 on:** April 14, 2009, 05:04:32 AM »

I have noticed a number of critical post in reference to CNN. I only watch two US networks and then not all of their programs.

I am wondering which CNN program(s) do you find biased to the liberal side ?

bilmac · « **Reply #24 on:** April 15, 2009, 12:08:21 AM »

BBF This is always the question asked by liberals when they deny that the media is biased. How can we who stopped watching such rubbish long ago answer such a question? I do land on some of these stations occasionally and sometimes will watch just long enough to see that nothing has changed, if anything they are much worse now.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #25 on:** April 15, 2009, 02:22:46 AM »

it ain't called by the slang- the commie news net for nothing

Mike Bare · « **Reply #26 on:** April 15, 2009, 03:07:32 AM »

I watched 20/20 and the 60 minutes story on guns, and I am pissed! BOTH of the aforementioned shows were totally biased toward the other side! I am outraged at the media's one sided stories! What about the lady who testified before congress......sharing her story of how her father and mother were killed in a McDonald's ? They didn't have the guts to air her story.........

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #27 on:** April 15, 2009, 03:22:43 AM »

nothing to do with guts all about spin for their side .
When gun owners , hunters ,sportsmen and other honest people demand that the news be honest or we stop buying products that support the bad news agencys then it will change . If we all stopped going to movies produced by anti gun supportes and other mesures it might stop .
NOTHING WORKS LIKE CUTTING OFF THE MONEY !

gstewart44 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 15, 2009, 03:45:05 AM »

[quote NOTHING WORKS LIKE CUTTING OFF THE MONEY !quote]

Thats' the absolute truth....

blhof · « **Reply #29 on:** April 15, 2009, 03:46:32 AM »

The preview was enough to keep me from watching. Did you notice that they made no mention of any student getting it right? I know that at least one would have lucked out and taken out the perp, but they only mention the mistakes. They did goof a little on the preview with a female student that was hit after she shot the perp, but it was only in the upper thigh, so the perp continued to fire, realism at it's best!!!! Please also get anyone you know that has any interest in guns to join the NRA to support our side of this vital issue. More people are killed in car accidents every day than are killed by guns in a year and yet this Fact is never mentioned in the media, and their stats even include perps killed by cops and legit kills by armed citizens defending themselves.