winchester 680 powder for reloading .22 rem jet

[lauraburgess]

Can anyone help me...my father bought winchester 680 powder to reload his H&R .22 remington jet but has lost the information for the reloading and I can't find anything online for this powder can anyone please help

[Sourdough]

I have an old old Lyman manual, Seems like I remember a full page on the .22 Jet.  I looked for that manual, but so far I can't locate it.  I'll keep looking and let you know if I find it.  I will give you the information it contains.  Cartridges Of The World list two powders but 680 is not one of them.  Rog

[Sourdough]

The Lyman Manual only list one jacketed bullet, the 40gr using only three powders.  2400,  SR 4756,  and IMR 4227.

Cartridges Of The World List two bullets a 40gr HP using 2400,  and a 45gr SP also using 2400.

Neither list the powder you are looking for.  Rog

If you want more info on these loads let me know.

[blpenn66502]

Hornady 4th Ed, 1991 printing.  45gr #2220 Hornet (.223 dia), W680 starting load of 10.7gr to 12.9gr max.  Rem 5 1/2 primers & case, COL of 1.659.  Notes say to drop charges by 10% if used in a S&W Model 53 (.222 or 223 bore) as data was developed for a T/C (.224 bore).

[lauraburgess]

It can't be the hornet, it is different from the jet

[Sourdough]

blpenn66502:  Like lauraburgess said, the .22 Hornet and the .22 Jet are two totally different cartridges.  The Hornet was developed for rifles and the Jet was developed for pistols.  Case sizes are quite different also.

[BCall]

I think the Hornet reference was for the bullet. Hornady makes a 45 gr bullet labeled for the hornet, product number 2220. I believe the load data is for the jet, hence the reference to the S&W 53. HTH, Billy

[stimpylu32]

I think the Hornet reference was for the bullet. Hornady makes a 45 gr bullet labeled for the hornet, product number 2220. I believe the load data is for the jet, hence the reference to the S&W 53. HTH, Billy

Exactly right , the Hornet refrence is to a bullet made for the Hornet in a .223 Dia. and it also works very well in both the 22 Rem Jet as well as the 218 Bee .

stimpy

Note -- The Lyman 44 grain cast bullet with a gas check also does great in the Jet . 

[LaOtto222]

I have a number of reloading manuals both older and new. Of course the W680 is obsolete and the 22 Jet nearly so. But none the less I thought I could find some loading data in the older manuals for it. No dice, found little loading data for it and none of it was for W680. W680 might be a little too slow for the Jet. According to my old Hornady manual #3 it falls between H4227 and IMR 4198. According to an old Hodgdon Manual (#25) circa 1986 there are only two loads listed (both Hodgdon powders, naturally) for a 40 grain bullet H110 and HS6 (also obsolete), both of them are faster powders than W680. I would think that if you used H110 data, it would be safe - but strange things can happen. For H110 using a 40 grain bullet (.2225") start at 10.0 grains for 1892 fps out of a S&W 8-3/8" barrel (a model 53?) and a max load of 11.0 grains for 2019 fps. These were using a small pistol primer. Keep in mind that W680 is slower than the H110, but like I said strange things can happen in the confines of a case. I have no clue if 11.0 grains of W680 will even fit inside the case. You may find that you can not get enough W680 in the case to cause enough pressure to get any thing decent velocity wise, or you may find that it can blow the gun apart. This is old information, some times even the same powder is not going to react the same. I have found in general, that some of the older data is fairly hot as it was gathered looking for "signs" of over pressure. I suppose in this case, it was if the case backed out of the cylinder and locked up the action. If I remember correctly that was the down fall of this particular gun. Early attempts at making high pressure high velocity rounds work in a revolver were not very successful. You had to make sure that the cylinders were void of any oils or contaminates and this some times did not prevent the case from backing out and locking it up. This trend only really started to get going when Remington introduced the XP-100 and Thompson Center introduced the Contender, both single shot pistols, the cylinder and a sloping case just does not work well. Good Luck and Good Shooting

[LaOtto222]

Update - I found the exact same data as blpenn66502 posted - out of the 3rd manual. It says that best results were found to be IMR 4227 and H110 with the 45 grain Hornet bullet. When I was looking for it earlier, I flipped right by it -it was in the T/C section. I would thin this data would be good for your H&R rifle too. BTW, no W680 data listed with the 40 grain Jet #2210 bullet. More than likely too slow. Also the T/C bores were .224" not .223" like the Model 53's. You should slug your barrel to make sure what your barrel diameter is.

[Graybeard]

I have an old Complete Reloading Manual for the TC Contender that lists one load using a Hornady 45 grain .223" Hornet bullet #2220. Do not assume it safe with bullets of other weights or of .224" diameter however.

Starting load is 10.7 grains and max load is 12.9 grains. I have triple checked that from the manual and it is correct but cannot guarantee the safety of the data as it's not mine and I've not tested it. Data is for a 10" TC Contender barrel. Starting velocity was listed as 2000 fps and max was listed as 2300 fps. No pressure info given. Data is for Winchester 680 the old discontinued powder.

Use at your own risk.

[FrogFoot25]

My rifle in 22 Rem Jet, is an item I purchased in 1965. It is made by Harrington and
Richards, as a Model 490 Topper Junior.

In my case, I have never been able to find a load that was as accurate as I wanted, although many have been good enough for ground hogs in Pennsylvania, ground squirrel in California and jack rabbits in both Utah and Arizona.

My favorite load, which is still under development, is 14 grains of WW680BR under a 45 grain .223 bullet from Hornaday. I use a CCI 450 small rifle magnum primer and Remington cases. I will probably try a new load using Accurate 1680 powder, as WW680BR has been dropped from the line.

This load works well in my rifle, but caution is the first order of business, along with
safety. Start lower and work up. Slug your bore and adjust your components accordingly.
What is safe in my rifle may not be in yours. This is lessons I have learned, so don't hold
me  responsible. I disclaim any liability.

I ran my load over a chronograph and found a velocity of 2850-2900 fps from my 22" barrel, with no signs of excess pressure.
The yield was just over one inch group at 100 yards, for a 10 shot string, a far cry from
the one hole groups my Savage 223 yields.

A recent article from Handloader magazine may hold some promise for a better load.
(Dec. 2009 #263)

http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/PDF/hl263partial.pdf

I will go this route as time permits.


FrogFoot25

[PHATINJUN]

If this is an original H&R Jet bbl and not a rechamber it will have the smaller bore so use the .223 or the .2225 40gr or 45gr bullets. I have both the .22hornetM158 and the M157 Jet. The W680 is not my first choice but if that is what you have use it with the Hornady load data and let me know how it works. There are a few of us on the H&R forum still trying to find a good reliable load for this one. Kurt

[FrogFoot25]

It is original, just as the factory sent it. I have used the rem 40 grain bullets and many others.
As long as I stayed below 50 grains, all was well, but above 50 grains I could not get enough velocity to obtain accurate results. Many cut key holes. Load density was the problem with most
powders. SR4759 works well at 11.1 grains with a standard small rifle primer and the lighter cast bullets. WW680BR gave me the load I was looking for as the load density and burn rate with a 45 grain .223 bullet was sufficient to group well. Velocity runs around 2850 fps out of my 22" barrel.
I liked the Remington 40 grain jet bullets that were loaded in the factory ammo, but they seem to
have stopped selling them. Hornady .223 spire poimts are my choice now, for this load. I have always loaded to get the most accurate charge, and have worked up to the 14 grains of WW680BR in .1 grain steps. I was able to load well over the 14 grains I now use, but my group size suffered and pressure signs started to show up. When my groups pulled in to 1 to 1.5 inch,
then spread to over 4 inches with pressure signs, I stopped. I get about 6 loadings per case before I have to anneal them again, other wise they will split from work hardening. This load is
the ticket for ground hogs etc.

I have tried the same steps with IMR 4198, 4227 Herc 2400 and RL7. So far the now dropped WW680BR was the best. My next step will be Acc 1680 and the powders listed in the below mag
article. These are fast powders and may fill the bill.

http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/PDF/hl263partial.pdf

FrogFoot25