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Offline turkeyeye

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Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« on: April 17, 2009, 02:51:07 PM »
Would you buy a Marlin 39A or CZ 452 if you were in the market for a good quality 22 LR?

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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2009, 03:53:08 PM »
On my experience with marlin .22's as a youth, I wouldn't consider one without a hands-on lookover.   On the other hand, I do own an older CZ rifle, the BRNO 452  2E, and it's super.   If these new ones are anything close to it; that's what I'd recommend. ;D
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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2009, 08:28:08 PM »
I have several Marlin 39's and three CZ 452's.

It probably should narrow down to which action type you prefer, lever action, or bolt action. Since I like both, that is why I have both...!

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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2009, 04:01:06 AM »
I didn't like the Marlin 39 I had.  I love my CZ 453.  I do have other lever action .22's that I like, but the CZ 453 is my favorite rimfire. 

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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2009, 04:22:39 AM »
I am not sure of your primary use. I have both and find them to be extremely different rifles with different applications. I shoot my CZ 3 times for every time I shoot my 39A. I bought the 39A 30 years ago as I could shoot it left handed and then found 22 lr semiautos more fun. I shoot my Ruger or Remington semiauto's 22 lr's more often than either of the other 2. I used to shoot a 22 lr quite often then I discovered the the 22 mag and then the 17 HMR. When I go to shoot a 22 lr I most likely grab a semiauto or if going to the range the CZ as it is extremely accurate. The 39A is more of a walk around rifle and when I do that I typically use the 17 HMR or 22 mag or a 22 lr semi as they have a higher gun quotient for me. Sorry this has been a long way to say I would be chosing between a Ruger semi in 22 lr or a CZ in 17 HMR or 22 mag if I was asking the question.

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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2009, 10:47:07 PM »
Love my 39A and love my son's CZ Scout (as long as the bolt doesn't come apart). I've looked at several of the bigger CZs and they're nice - would buy one but I'm building up my kid's guns right now.  I'd have to vote for getting both. For target work around the range and if you shoot off the bench much the bolt gun would be most handy. And having easy in and out, easy to load clips are much handier than the tube mag on the Marlin.
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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2009, 05:43:56 AM »
In my youth, I owned both a Model 39A in the rifle as well as the Model 39A "Mountie" (a much shorter 39A rifle with a straight stock, no pistol grip).  I just bought a Model 453 CZ "varmint" model with a heavy barrel and a single-set trigger last year (50 years later).  In the meantime, I've owned and used a Ruger 10/22 semi-auto .22 L.R. rimfire as my primary squirrel rifle... and while it's an excellent "HUNTING" (squirrel & cotton-tail) rifle, it's not nearly as accurate as I like a rifle to be.

I don't know if the new 39A's are of the same high quality (and I very much doubt that they are) as the two Marlin 39A's I owned 'way back in the late 1950s and early 1960s.  The original Marlin 39A rifle (the longer one) was EXTREMELY accurate (but I never tried it off a bench-rest)... or at least it was "extremely accurate" as far as I was concerned since I use to get "the good apples" at the top of the apple trees in a farmer's orchard (by shooting the apple's stem in half with the 39A rifle-not the Mountie which wasn't as accurate) which was located at the end of my often "long, hot, sweaty summer trek" down an abandoned railroad track out in the boondocks along which I went to shoot "varmints" with the old, longer 39A in .22 rimfire.

The farmer's apple orchard & the sweet, juicy apples at the tops of his apple trees were my "reward" at the end of the half-way point in the "trek".  There's nothing like a couple or three fat, juicy red apples to quench a fella's thirst that built-up from a 3 mile "walk" along some hot ol' railroad tracks in the hot summer sun... especially when the "return 3-mile trip" down the R.R. tracks back to the car was coming up.    ;)

The "Mountie" was never as accurate at the longer-barreled standard 39A... nor was the action on the Mountie as smooth and "velvety" as the action on the longer 39A, but it LOOKED more like a Model 94 Winchester .30/30 and that pleased me to no end!

The Model 452/453 CZ has made a reputation for itself as being an extremely accurate rifle right out of the box.  Being the "accuracy nut" that I am, I bought a Model 453 (actually the same rifle as a Model 452, but with the addition of a single set trigger) in the heavy-barreled "varmint" model (sans iron sights) to get that "extra" accuracy a heavy barrel often gives plus the added "light" trigger of the single set trigger.

Then, to add to the already fine accuracy, I had my gunsmith pillar-bed the action screws and "bed" the action... and, at this time, I'm in the middle of weighing the 29 different boxes of cartridges and measuring the thickness of the rims of the cartridges and separating them into like categories to also improve their accuracy when shooting the 5-shot groups.

My goal is to be able to shoot relatively tight groups with the CHEAPEST possible .22 rimfire ammo... and so far, the CCI Blazer SEEMS to  be the most accurate of all 29 difference types and brands of .22 rimfire cartridges I've tried.  And the Blazer ammo is the least expensive of any ammo I've found... costing $1.40 per 50 round box if bought by the case (I get them wholesale through my son's store).

The next least expensive .22 rimfire ammo I've found that is truly "accurate" is Federal's American Eagle brand .22 rimfire ammo (both the CCI & Federal are high-velocity, 40 gr. solid point ammo) at $1.52 per box if bought by the case (100 boxes of 50 rounds each or a total of 5,000 rounds).

Of course, neither of these "cheapie" .22 high-velocity long rifle cartridges will shoot as accurately as Wolf Match/Target ammo, but then... they don't cost 10¢ a shot like the Wolf M/T ammo does (wholesale), either!  Generally, I can keep all 5 shots of the "cheap ammo groups" well inside a small, bright orange target paster at 50 yards.  I believe ANY decent rifle shot could do the same... so that's no big deal.

Incidentally, I use the excellent and very clear Bushnell "Legend" (about $200 on the net, retails at $375 + tax or so) 4-12x by 40mm A/O scope on the CZ which gives a VERY sharp image and yields plenty of light (it gathers 91% of the available light).  I shoot it exclusively at 50 yards (so far) off a bench-rest at the local rifle range... thus the "need" for an Adjustable Objective (A/O) front turret to "adjust-out" the scope's parallax which ALL big game scopes have at 50 yards.

Generally, the trigger on the CZ models MUST have some "attention" in order to get them as smooth and light as one likes... but both the triggers are user-adjustable and both the regular trigger and the single set trigger on the Model 453 are user-adjustable.  In fact, you don't even have to take the action out of the stock to adjust the single set trigger.  The adjustment screw is just inside the front of the rifle's trigger guard.

Once you get it all set up and the trigger "smoothed up" and the barrel "broken-in", you'd be quite pleased with the excellent accuracy you'd get from the hammer-forged CZ's barrel.

Mostly, it depends on what YOU "like"... or how you intend to use the rifle!  For extreme accuracy, choose the CZ.  For versatility, choose the Marlin.

The standard Marlin's under-barrel tubular magazine holds about 15 L.R. rounds vs. a 5-shot clip for the CZ.  CZ has a 10 shot clip available at an extra charge.

Good luck...  :)


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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2009, 02:01:00 PM »
 ;) I have never owned a CZ, but have had four or five 39A's. Right now I have one older 39 and a mountie. Both are accurate. When I was a kid hunting tree squirrel, the 39 was my top pick. :D Now I seldom shoot tree squirrel with a .22, but shoot hundreds of ground squirrels. The Marlins do a good job, but for number of rounds fired, my Remingtion bolt actions surpass the Marlins. Both are target type .22's but older models. If I were going to buy a new .22 off the shelf tomorrow, I would get a CZ ;D In fact it is one gun I am considering purchasing or trading a 50th Ann. Ruger .44 on. But I am .22 poor now. I usually only shoot a thousand or so rounds each summer at gophers then they rest til next summer. Most of the plinking is done with pistols. As some others said, buy both, but the Marlins require some tuning at times. I had to have my current 39 tuned by a friend here in town. They are rather involved, and must be set up right to function correctly. ??? While I don't like to even consider it, I think if I were having only one .22 it would be one of my bolts or a CZ. >:(  I don't even want to go there ;D >:(. For woods loafing, shooting a mess of squirrel, plinking, varmiting, the little 39 is wonderful. For serious accuracy, smallest groups, most number of hits per shot, a CZ ;) It would be great if you could get a chance to shoot both guns and see what you like ;D

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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2009, 03:43:30 PM »
I think it more of what action do you like. I think that the bolt action CZ would probily be more accurate, but with my 39 A I have no trouble head shooting squirles. Chose your favorite action and go with it.

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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2009, 05:22:47 PM »
Your talking apples and oranges. I shoot a peeped 39a in NRA cowboy lever action and it's hard to beat; but, I shoot a CZ silhouette in NRA smallbore sporter silhouette, scoped. Both perform incredibly well in their respective sports. Realistically the 39a could never keep up against the scoped CZ, head to head; yet, they are both great guns in their own right.

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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2009, 12:27:36 PM »
I have both and would agree with the comments they  are very different rifles. The CZ is a very accurate rifle while the 39A is in the moderately accurate arena. It really depends on your use - if you are looking for a high fun quotient in a 22 LR and don't own a Ruger 10-22 I would recommend you start there - then to the CZ and finally the 39A. I would probably get the CZ in 17 HRM to add some variety.

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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2009, 06:27:45 AM »
The CZ is certainly a more accurate rifle but how much accuracy do you really need? It may seem sacrilegious to say this but if your primary interest is small game and plinking the Marlin will shoot smaller groups from rest than anyone but an Olympic competitor can match from offhand. I figure that if a .22 will group into one inch at 50 yards it has all the accuracy I can ever use, and a Marlin 39 can do that, at least all of the four I have once owned could do so and I've never fired a match grade cartridge. And speaking of cartridges, if you ever wish to fire .22 shorts of CB caps, the Marlin can feed them, the CZ limits one to longrifles only.
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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2009, 06:13:39 PM »
  Get the Marlin 39A first.  After a year or so, if you still think you need a more accurate rifle, then get a CZ.  But, you will find that the CZ is not as fun to shoot as the 39A, and that the 39A was all you ever needed to begin with.

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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2009, 07:45:05 PM »
Apples and oranges.

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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2009, 10:48:23 AM »
I saw what turned out to be an older 39 at a garage sale this weekend (S/N 134xx, anyone know year of mfr?).  I asked if it was for sale.  Someone had only half put it back together after taking it down.  I put it back together correctly for the people and asked the price.  They said $100, and I first thought of how much I do not need another garage sale gun.  The gun has not been abused but it has been much used.  The stock has some long but barely visible cracks.  The bore was dirty but looked OK.  I offered $50 and expected a rude response.  Instead I got the gun.  I cleaned it (bore now looks perfect) and just tried it at the range this morning.  The trigger is light and very crisp, with no creep whatsoever.  Someone had arranged 12 gauge empties at 100 and 135 feet in the sand, and with the original open sights and 60 year-old eyes I was able to consistently hit them off hand.  Using a bench but no rest I was able to consistently hit a 12 inch diameter rock that sits about 125 yards out.  Light was perfect but there was gusting wind.  Ammo was Blazers that a store here sold for $14.99 earlier this year.  My other 39 is newer and much prettier (and much lighter I think) but I am pleased with this one.  I will likely give this one to some deserving young person and feel good about it a second time.  I will also feel good if a future garage sale has a CZ452.

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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2009, 01:36:44 AM »
I would go with the marlin if planning to off hand shoot. Everything is in perfect balance and follow up shots are very instinctive. If you plan to mostly rest beside trees when shooting I would favor the bolt. Target, the bolt as well. I like a 39a for a walk about rifle when after jumping up upland game and snap shooting. When more deliberately after game in a more stationary position I like the cz. Of coarse both are more than acceptable in accuracy. When the human equation is taken out at the bench the cz no doubt has the edge. In the woods while hunting it is more which feels better as both will give the accuracy needed.

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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2009, 06:59:02 PM »
The CZ 452 Lux has great open sights and is stocked to use them.  The front sight is a patridge or similar blade, and the rear is one-hand adjustable, graduated every 25 yards.  I bought one to scope, but it was so good with the irons, I removed the scope and got a sillouette model.  Unless you're in love with levers, Marlin can't touch it. 

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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2009, 04:02:59 AM »
 :)At present I have 2 39's and have had several others. For a period of 20 years I owned no other .22's. Have never owned a CZ, but have come close to buying one several times, and probably will in the future. But if you are looking for accuracy, I would go with the CZ. I have been shooting several Rem. bolt guns for the last 20 years, a 521 and a 513. When shooting ground squirrels, my number of hits at all ranges is higher with the Rem. rifles. I still use the 39's but the number of kills is greater when I use the Rem. bolt guns. I am sure the accurate CZ's would perform the same. The 39's are fun, and accurate, but the bolts have the edge on accuracy. ;)

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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2009, 04:02:49 PM »
I have a late 70s manufactured 39-A with a Williams receiver sight. It is hard to beat. However, check out "Shootout at Vassar Meadows" and see what else is out there for around $300.

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Re: Marlin 39A or CZ 452
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2009, 12:20:34 PM »
I will likely give this one to some deserving young person and feel good about it a second time.

I have a grandson that would love to have it someday when he's old enough, I have a 1894M, 1894C and 1894 that he will have someday. A 39A would be right at home, and have big brothers to take care of it.
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