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Tea Parties and Gun Rights? A connection?
« on: April 18, 2009, 08:48:35 AM »
On April 15, 2009 an estimated 250,000 plus rank and file Americans rallied in "Tea Parties" in more than 300 American cities to protest high taxes, bail outs, big government and Obama. 

I've attended a couple of these in metropolitan Southern California over the last couple of months.  I believe they're a very hopeful sign for several reasons, not the least of which is that pro-Gun, pro-Second Amendment signs and people are widely in evidence.  You can tell these crowds are generally "conservative" and "libertarian."   I don't think there are many liberal democrats, but neither do I believe the mainstream media conventional wisdom (and contempt) that the Tea Parties were organized by the GOP and / or Fox News.  I have been active in GOP political and anti-immigration activism in So Cal for many years.  I've attended dozens of rallies and events over that time, but I've never seen anything like the Tea Parties.  They have tapped into a whole new group of people.  Prior to April 15, 2009, if you could get 100 patriots together you had a large group, but 20-40 was more the norm. And even then you'd be outnumbered 2 or 3 to one by Mexicans and Communists and subject to physical violence from these "people." 

The Tea Parties wer different, notwithstanding the threats by Acorn to infiltrate and sabotage them.  I have seen no evidence of Mexicans or communists at any of the April 15, 2009 tea parties, whether large or small.  Mexicans and communists are very brave with large mobs behind them and have no respect for freedom of speech,   but they have no stomach for taking on large groups of American patriots.  Truly  there is strength (and safety) in numbers. 

The Tea Parties are not creations of the GOP or Fox News.  The GOP couldn't get 250,000 people in the streets if it tried and Fox News only climbed on board because it wanted to give the impression of leading a parade in has refused to follow for a long time.  The Tea Parties are the outgrowth of organizing by the Ron Paul people more than anything else. That organizing has tapped into a  long smoldering discontent with how we're being screwed by our rulers.  Now, the same GOP leadership that ridiculed and attacked Ron Paul and his supporters is trying to hijack the Tea Party movement.  This must not be allowed to happen.  We must treat these GOP Quislings with the same disdain as Democrat traitors.  I do not believe that scum like John McCain, Rudy Guilani or Mitt Romney will ever dare to show their faces at a Tea Party.  
 
There is an interesting racial aspect to these Tea Parties:  They're 99 % white with only a smattering of minorities, notwithstanding the absence of any "racist" sentiments.  All are welcome.  Everyone is welcome at these events.  This raises the question:  Why don't Blacks and Hispanics, who are  otherwise so  active in  protests,  protest high-taxes?  Well the obvious answer is:  They don't pay them!  Minorities are on the receiving rather than on the giving end of high taxes and government give-aways.  For all of their support for miniority murderers and robbers, minorities do not support the  gun rights of white victims of minority violence.      

My impressions are that the Tea Parties are grass roots phenomena, they are anti-socialist, anti-communist, anti-tax, anti-bailout and anti-gun control.  You see pro gun people, pro-gun signs and pro-gun sentiments widely and openly expressed.  This will bolster the already growing opposition to the First Teleprompter (Obama) and his entire agenda, which prominently features threats of gun control.  Obama is an outright communist and he (and his handlers) know that their overthrow will not succeed against an armed population.

The Tea Party movment is a fusion of different white Americans and pro-gun, pro Second Amendment people are very prominent  in the movement.  I predict the Tea Party movement will continue to grow and that it is GOOD FOR GUN OWNERS AND GUN RIGHTS.  There is a danger the Tea Party movement will be hi-jacked by GOP fifth columnists and frauds, but the extent of this danger is difficult to assess.  I don't know a single Republican who voted for John McQuisling without first getting drunk or holding his nose.  There is enormous  hatred of the GOP leadership in this new movement.  There is a possibility a third party movement may come about.  I'm not generally a big fan of third parties, but we are in a time of great turmoil and no one can predict what will happen. 

The bottom line: If you believe in gun rights, consider getting involved in the Tea Party movement.  It's exhilterating to be in the middle of a crowd of thousands, or even hundreds, of like minded people who believe in personal freedom and the right to keep and bear arms.  It  will not only help turn the tide but will provide a sense of badly needed optimism  and hope that we all so desparately need in these dark days.    

 

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Re: Tea Parties and Gun Rights? A connection?
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2009, 12:35:09 PM »
I would not consider 250,000 people for the whole country a significant number. :-\
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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2009, 12:44:29 PM »
I consider that a fairly large number being they are mostly working folks some of which had to take off from work to attend. Most probably have never been to a protest before. I think its a good start. Maybe the silent majority wont be so silent much longer.

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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2009, 01:01:49 PM »
Agreed !
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2009, 03:49:31 PM »
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My impressions are that the Tea Parties are grass roots phenomena, they are anti-socialist, anti-communist, anti-tax, anti-bailout and anti-gun control.

In other words, they are for freedom, liberty, the constitution, and private property rights.
I didn't go to one, but my heart is with them. Maybe it is leading to the end of the two party system of big government and their desire for more power over our lives.
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2009, 04:58:00 AM »
"I would not consider 250,000 people for the whole country a significant number."

I thought about this, and remembered back in the 90's when people in Congress were swept away in the blink of an eye....no protests or tea parties, no news coverage to speak of, Americans were angry and just did it quietly and quickly.

Now we see conservatives protesting for the first time, and it's all over the news.  Me thinks this is very big, under reported, and to see 250K people show up on a Wed. in the middle of the week for the first time in their lives, many taking off work to be there, is quite an accomplishment.  The left gets better coverage for protesting on a weekend with a small fraction of those numbers.  This is bigger than some might think, it sure seems bigger than 94, and that was enough to change Congress....for a while anyway. 


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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2009, 05:14:50 AM »
this  was  1/4 million         TAX PAYERS


on  a work day


WAIT TILL  THE  4TH OF JULY
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: Tea Parties and Gun Rights? A connection?
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2009, 08:07:21 AM »
"I would not consider 250,000 people for the whole country a significant number."

I thought about this, and remembered back in the 90's when people in Congress were swept away in the blink of an eye....no protests or tea parties, no news coverage to speak of, Americans were angry and just did it quietly and quickly.

Now we see conservatives protesting for the first time, and it's all over the news.  Me thinks this is very big, under reported, and to see 250K people show up on a Wed. in the middle of the week for the first time in their lives, many taking off work to be there, is quite an accomplishment.  The left gets better coverage for protesting on a weekend with a small fraction of those numbers.  This is bigger than some might think, it sure seems bigger than 94, and that was enough to change Congress....for a while anyway. 



Well said, Jimster.  These were rank and file people who ignore street politics, unlike the Left with its professional, bought and paid for rent-a-mobs.   If 250,000 take time off to attend, that means there are millions who are sympathetic.

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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2009, 12:31:10 PM »
I saw where one of the organizers now says 1000 TEA parties and 750,000 to 1,000,000.

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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2009, 02:16:49 PM »
I saw where one of the organizers now says 1000 TEA parties and 750,000 to 1,000,000.

I believe it will grow.  I attended one near me in Metropolitan Southern California and about 1,000 attended.  The mood was wonderful.  Unlike when the left has one of the rent-a-mob rallies, there was no violence, no vandalism, no obsenity, lots of wonderful American flags, and lots of wonderful Americans.  I think the people genuinely love the activism, the company of other Americans and the feeling of being a part of something truly historic.

Do not ever forget that this country was created by common people who were not afraid to make history.  Two hundred years ago our people led the way  and created  a free society that was a beacon of hope for the entire world.  If people will summon their courage and find their voices we can do it again.

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Re: Tea Parties and Gun Rights? A connection?
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2009, 02:18:31 PM »
Estimates have updated Tea Party Attendance of 4,15.09 to as high as 750,000.   The initial estimate of 250,000 was far short of the actual numbers.  If you can get several hundred thousand people out in the streets in the middle of the week on a workday, it means millions of people are sympathetic.

These Parties were not "funded" by anyone, even though some of the major  Tea Parties were promoted and attended by such celebrities as Fox News Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, and Newt Gingrich.   

According to a Rasmussen Poll, 51% of Americans viewed the Tea Parties favorably.   

http://www.poligazette.com/2009/04/21/majority-views-tea-parties-favorably/

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Re: Tea Parties and Gun Rights? A connection?
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2009, 07:56:20 PM »
Hello Everyone
   I will not enter my opinion about taxes, enough has been said.  I will however say.  We have three branches of government.
Legislative
Executive
Judicial
There is a trump card that trumps all of the above branches.
Its called a Grand Jury of We The People.
The government hopes that we believe that it is part of one of the other three branches and under its rule.  However this is not the case. Actually it is more powerful than any of the above  and separate.
They work for us and we can get rid of any of our employees by the use of  a
Grand Jury of We  The People.
United States vs. Williams,504 U.S. 36 at  48 (1992) by Justice Antonin Scalia.
We  have in the past had traitors that have illegally attempted to transfer that power  from the people to the judges. That occurred in 1946 and was in direct violation of the constitution. Much misinformation has been printed in an effort to misinform the public.
Creighton Law Review, Volume 33. Number 4, 1999-2000
What I am saying is there are many in the country that are pursuing this method” Grand Jury of We the People” to correct the misuse of our constitution.   After all. They all are sworn to uphold our constitution aren’t they?
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I just posted this on another web site.  They were implying that the tea parties were only about taxation.  I did not wan't to miss the oportunity to comment about our constitution.

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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2009, 12:27:38 PM »
Yes they all swear to uphold the constitution, but the majority of those elected don't. I wonder how many have ever even read the constitution.
I think that 250,000 people attending tea parties is big. As said in other posts, most of the attendies were people that took vacation or personal time to attend. I would like to think that even people that don't pay taxes would also attend, because this is not just about taxes. I think the biggest issue is the new threat of more gun laws, gun registration, and gun bans. The 2nd Admendment is the protecter of all other rights. It dosn't take much common sense to realize this. Just look back at history.

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Re: Tea Parties and Gun Rights? A connection?
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2009, 08:13:27 AM »
The Tea party I attended would have doubled in size if parking had been sufficient.  A lot of people came but didn't stop because someone had roped off a lot of the usable parking for some unknown reason. Cops or liberals who knows.
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« Reply #14 on: May 02, 2009, 10:22:20 AM »
The Tea party I attended would have doubled in size if parking had been sufficient.  A lot of people came but didn't stop because someone had roped off a lot of the usable parking for some unknown reason. Cops or liberals who knows.

Same problem in some of the locations in CA.  In March I attended a rally organized by a local talk radio show to protest GOP complicity in tax increases in the State of California. 15,000 people showed up in Fullerton, CA, in Orange County.  I think I got the last parking place in the whole city and I had to walk half a mile to the site of the gathering.  The LA Times ignored the event, but local media covered it and there were reports of choked traffic, no parking, etc. 

There is a simmering discontent and resentment out there among rank and file Americans who have had enough of the corruption of both major political parties.  People who say the GOP or Fox News organized the Tea Parties are unclear on the concept. The GOP couldn't  get 250,000 Americans in the streets if they paid them and Fox only has the power to promote something that's already been generally accepted by American nationalists.    The Ron Paul movement is largely responsible for the Tea Party concept, and Ron Paul was treated with disdain and contempt by the Zionist GOP and Zionist talk radio. 


We need a new political party that believes that America has a right to exist: I would call it the American Nationalist Party.   The ANP would be dedicated to the well being of America and the well being of the American people rather than giving its primary loyalty to other countries and treating rank and file American people as sheep to be sheared for the benefit of ruling elites. 

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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2009, 07:29:10 AM »
I'd leave "Nationalist" out of the party name.  Others before have pretty well irreversibly marred that moniker. 

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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2009, 09:59:09 AM »
I'd leave "Nationalist" out of the party name.  Others before have pretty well irreversibly marred that moniker. 


You can't have a nation without nationalism and you can't have nationalism if you're afraid  to say the word. 

In Great Britain the British National Party (BNP) stands up for rank and file Englishmen (and women) and and it's gaining support by leaps and bounds. These brave people are achieving victories  even  in the face of "hate speech" laws under which white people can be put in jail for saying things that liberals hate to hear.   In France the National Front is gaining popularity among Frenchmen who are weary of Muslims rioting and burning hundreds of cars  for recreation whenever they feel like it. Nationalist parties are on the rise in Germany, Sweden, Hungary and Czheckoslovakia. 

How ironic that Americans of 200 years ago were brave enough to rise up,  claim their liberty and found their own nation,  but  that contemporary Americans are afraid to say the word "nation"  because some Marxist  multi-culturalists won't like it. How ironic that modern Americans are afraid to join the parade for freedom and national independence that America once led.


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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2009, 10:29:41 AM »
lmg270 is so right , i have family who live in both of those countrys and Australia.
They are in shock that the US who was their role model is slipping into the worse form of Socialism or Communisum that has ever been devised.
We are becoming a sick form of a Monarchy ,Dictatorship like Cuba.
Be careful America ,these countrys you know are basically our friends, they may be labeled later as our enemy's.

lmg you forgot Germany ,they also are on a roll here.
Australia is real close to having to let their people have their guns back.
Lucky for them those guns were not all destroyed.
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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2009, 11:35:04 AM »
lmg270 is so right , i have family who live in both of those countrys and Australia.
They are in shock that the US who was their role model is slipping into the worse form of Socialism or Communisum that has ever been devised.
We are becoming a sick form of a Monarchy ,Dictatorship like Cuba.
Be careful America ,these countrys you know are basically our friends may be labeled later as our enemy's.

lmg you forgot Germany ,they also are on a roll here.
Australia is real close to havening to let their people have their guns back.
Lucky for them those guns were not all destroyed.

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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2009, 02:43:24 PM »
And you sir are a brave soul.
Its me who is Honored to know you.
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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2009, 07:12:22 PM »
 Hello Phalanx,

 I have arrived, nice to see such brave people here.  ;D

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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2009, 04:43:40 AM »
The Tea parties are about a lot more than the second amendment.  The present admin is also running a battle against the first amendment also and they view all rights as collective, meaning the individual is not to be recognized.
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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2009, 07:14:12 PM »
Well considering that there are pretty much pending bills attempting to infringe every right guaranteed by the Bill of Rights except illegal search and seizure (can't give the cops an edge on the real criminals after all, that would put the liberal lawyers out of a job), I would say that the Tea Parties are about a lot more than the right to keep and bear arms.

There is nothing at all wrong with a strong streak of nationalism.  That strong streak coming to the surface is what held the country together immediately after 9/11.  That strong streak coming back to the surface is what it's going to take to keep this county from falling apart from the aftermath of the 2008 election.

I still think that something more along the lines of the "Constitutional Party" or the "Free America Party" has a much better ring to it.