Author Topic: 22mag/20ga Combo need scope mount advice (Read 8019 times)

WN · « **on:** April 19, 2009, 07:48:00 AM »

Anyone know where I can find a 22mag/20ga combo or something really close to that configeration. Thanks

I purchased a Savage 24J-DL 22mag/20ga combo. It is a older gun and most likely paid too much. It is in good condition and the guy let me shoot it before buying. At 25 yards the magnum and 20 were shooting at the same spot. I brought it home and cleaned it real good and went to mount a scope. I thought standard 22 mounts would work, but none I had worked. I tried Millett, Tasco and another brand none seemed to fit the groves. What mounts work the best?

Down in the replies it is mentioned that you can get 22mag onserts for a 30-30/20ga. Where can you get these at. If i had known you can get inserts I may have just went that route.

Thanks,

Graybeard · « **Reply #1 on:** April 19, 2009, 09:52:14 AM »

The Savage Model 24 was made in that combo. I used to have one many many long years ago. It was my turkey gun back before Alabama outlawed rifles for turkey hunting. I used it for squirrel hunting as well. I've long since forgotten what I traded it off on but do regret letting it go. I'm not personally aware of any other made in that particular configuration.

Wildbuc · « **Reply #2 on:** April 19, 2009, 02:47:23 PM »

I recently bought a Baikal 22 mag/20 gauge combination at a local gun show. Couldn't be happier. You may be able to order one from EAA or from a UK dealer I saw somewhere on the net. It think the one the UK dealer sells has joined barrels.

Best bet might be to look for a Savage 24 in that configuration. They are out there but it takes some looking.

dpastordan · « **Reply #3 on:** April 19, 2009, 03:10:07 PM »

Remington imported them under the Spartan Gunworks brand. But now I think they only have the .22/.410 combo. I have seen the Baikal .22 Magnum/20 gauge occasionally at Gunbroker.com and Auction Arms but they are pricey now. I have the combo. I prefer it over the Savage because of the dual triggers. Also, the Savage is more like a rifle with the barrel as an auxiliary. The Baikal actually feels and swings more like a shotgun. I have a 2 1/2x scope on mine with the diamond reticle. I tried different .22 Mag ammo until I found the brand that shoots well with it. Also, the Baikal comes with choke tubes. Most of the Savage 24's were fixed chokes (full most of the time). To really make things interesting, I have an old four-tenner (.410 barrel insert) that works plus I picked up a .30-30 barrel insert for the shotgun barrel.

Wildbuc · « **Reply #4 on:** April 19, 2009, 03:45:44 PM »

hey dpastordan,

Not to highjack this thread, but how does that 30/30 insert work in your Baikal? Is it accurate? I'm thinking of doing the same thing.

Note to the original poster, I'll look for the UK link and post it if found.

Wildbuc · « **Reply #5 on:** April 19, 2009, 03:49:43 PM »

Here is the UK site:

http://www.yorkguns.com/baikal_rifles.php

WN · « **Reply #6 on:** April 30, 2009, 06:02:21 AM »

I have found a Savage 24J-DL. It states on the barrell do not use shotgun with scope. Does anyone know why it says this? Thanks

Wildbuc · « **Reply #7 on:** April 30, 2009, 08:47:17 AM »

"I have found a Savage 24J-DL. It states on the barrell do not use shotgun with scope. Does anyone know why it says this?"

Probably because of danger of recoil---the scope hitting you in the eye.

Graybeard · « **Reply #8 on:** April 30, 2009, 12:21:48 PM »

Quote from: WN on April 30, 2009, 06:02:21 AM

I have found a Savage 24J-DL. It states on the barrell do not use shotgun with scope. Does anyone know why it says this? Thanks

Yup I know from first hand experience.

Long long ago I was out squirrel hunting with mine which was mounted with some sorta long ago forgotten scope. Considering how long ago it might have been a Weaver rimfire scope. I got into a pile of squirrels all in one tree. It was a bunch of boars chasing a female. I dropped a couple then the rest froze on limbs. I'd walk around looking until I saw one and if the shot was there I'd take it with the .22 mag barrel and if not I'd shoot the limb and when it ran I'd drop it with the shotgun barrel.

I had several on the ground and was switching back and forth between the two barrels constantly. I had a shot at one almost directly over head to me in the clear so I thought I was on the rifle barrel but wasn't. The gun fired off a 3" magnum with an ounce a a quarter of # 7-1/2 shot. I killed the squirrel fine but it laid me on the ground. I had the butt only barely on my shoulder expecting the rifle to fire and the shotgun did instead. It came off my shoulder and the scope whacked my fore head a good blow laying me out.

Use a long eye relief scope and be careful and you'd do fine. Use a short eye relief scope and magnum shotshell loads and you'll likely get a case of scope eye.

trotterlg · « **Reply #9 on:** April 30, 2009, 06:54:13 PM »

I have a Savage 24 30-30 oiver 20 gauge, have a 2.5X shotgun scope on it and you will need the eye relief it has, especially with the 3 inch mag loads. Larry

Wildbuc · « **Reply #10 on:** May 01, 2009, 03:55:12 AM »

Larry, nice looking gun. Which has more kick, the 30-30 or 20 gauge?

trotterlg · « **Reply #11 on:** May 01, 2009, 06:18:40 AM »

The 20 gauge by far, and with the 3 inch mag loads it is nasty for sure. It does not have a recoil pad, just a hard butt plate. Larry

Wildbuc · « **Reply #12 on:** May 01, 2009, 03:06:09 PM »

Mine has a hard butt plate also. I'm thinking of getting one of those leather slip over recoil pads--and shooting lighter loads.

That 30-30/20 gauge seems like an ideal gun. You could get a 22lr or 22 mag insert and be set.

trotterlg · « **Reply #13 on:** May 01, 2009, 06:51:07 PM »

Here in WA state Grouse, Cougar and Bear are open at the same time, so this is my gun for this season. I have some 3 inch number 3 buck for the 20 gauge, seemed like a good combo with the 30-30 for Black bear, haven't tried it on a live one yet. I did kill one grouse with the 20 gauge and #8 shot. Larry

dougk · « **Reply #14 on:** May 02, 2009, 04:24:33 PM »

What power scopes are you all using on the combo guns?

The max for me is 2-8 power either Mueller, Zeiss or Leupold. I have been using 3 inch BBB and 3 inch 00 buck with out issue.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #15 on:** May 03, 2009, 04:37:01 AM »

I got REALLY sick of not being able to see well enough when it was dusk, and i was looking into a dark area, so i bought a 3x9 Zeiss...

That cured the "not being able to see" problem!! The 4" of eye relief is GREAT too...

DM

dougk · « **Reply #16 on:** May 04, 2009, 04:26:46 PM »

DrillingMan
Nice mount

Drilling Man · « **Reply #17 on:** May 05, 2009, 03:44:31 PM »

Quote from: dougk on May 04, 2009, 04:26:46 PM

DrillingMan
Nice mount

Thanks Doug, it works "perfectly", and claw mounts are by far my fav mount!

DM

cybin · « **Reply #18 on:** October 02, 2009, 04:06:34 PM »

Quote from: trotterlg on April 30, 2009, 06:54:13 PM

I have a Savage 24 30-30 oiver 20 gauge, have a 2.5X shotgun scope on it and you will need the eye relief it has, especially with the 3 inch mag loads. Larry

How is the scope mounted to the gun? My savage 24 has only grooves for a .22 scope on it--I think that the recoil from the 20 gauge would mess up the .22 scope pretty fast. It looks like in the pic you have some sort of weaver base that your shotgun scope is attached to.

Any recomendations on how to mount a scope on my model 24 that has grooves for a .22 scope? One that will take the recoil of a 20 gauge that is.

cybin

trotterlg · « **Reply #19 on:** October 02, 2009, 09:06:31 PM »

There is a weaver base that mounts on the 24, I will see if I can find you the number, they are around, look for Savage 24 scope base. Larry

PS, this has it in a batch of stuff, you can probably find the proper base seperate if you look.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Savage-24-24V-24F-3-9x40-Scope-Mount-Rings-New_W0QQitemZ120475961635QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0ced4923&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

cybin · « **Reply #20 on:** October 04, 2009, 05:32:33 PM »

unfortunately my savage 24 isn't drilled and tapped for mounts--its probably a pretty old one--the break down is a lever on the side

cybin

Hank08 · « **Reply #21 on:** November 03, 2009, 06:55:57 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard on April 30, 2009, 12:21:48 PM

Quote from: WN on April 30, 2009, 06:02:21 AM
I have found a Savage 24J-DL. It states on the barrell do not use shotgun with scope. Does anyone know why it says this? Thanks

Yup I know from first hand experience.

And so do I, I've had my Sav.24DL since 1964 and originally put a small 2x scope on it but after being hit in the head a couple of times (just like Greybeard thought I was shooting the .22 at squirrels overhead) I removed the scope and only use the irons now. I have a Sav. 410 insert for it but seldom use it. It's just about the perfect small game gun.
H08

saltydog · « **Reply #22 on:** April 27, 2010, 04:25:52 AM »

This is the scope mount for 24 w/out groved receiver. http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/BrowseProducts.aspx?pageNum=1&tabId=10&categoryId=14243&categoryString=657***8705***11689***

coyotejoe · « **Reply #23 on:** April 30, 2010, 08:01:56 AM »

Quote from: Wildbuc on April 30, 2009, 08:47:17 AM

"I have found a Savage 24J-DL. It states on the barrell do not use shotgun with scope. Does anyone know why it says this?"
Probably because of danger of recoil---the scope hitting you in the eye.

Also because the mounts won't hold a scope against the recoil, it will slip in those little grooves and not hold zero even if it doesn't fly completely off the gun. The versions with centerfire rifle barrels have a scope mount brazed on top of the rifle barrel, your rimfire just has the skinny little grooves on the barrel. I don't shoot open sights well, I much prefer a scope on a rifle, but a scope on a shotgun just doesn't work at all and the see through mounts are too tall and clunky. So I modified a folding leaf rear sight into a folding peep and soldered it onto the barrel at the breech end. I carry it folded down and the selector set on the shotgun tube for jump shooting. If a rifle opportunity comes up it takes only a second to flip up the peep and move the selector. Not a perfect solution but the best I've come up with.

Olegeezer · « **Reply #24 on:** October 22, 2010, 03:05:05 PM »

coyotejoe

I gather from your post that you prefer peep sights - I would like to understand why as I am having issues with the rear wing sight as well. Does a peep sight make that much difference?

coyotejoe · « **Reply #25 on:** October 24, 2010, 06:11:15 AM »

Oh for sure it does. There is nothing like a scope but where I can't use a scope, such as on my muzzleloading rifles, I find a peep to be much better than open sights. You don't have to focus on the peep, you just look through it and focus on the front sight. Looking through a small aperture makes both the front sight and the target much sharper. Just like a camera, a small aperture setting increases the depth of field, making objects both close and far in the same focal plane.
I once did a little test with a Marlin 39M using a 4x scope, a red dot, a Williams foolproof peep and the factory open sight. I fired five 5 shot groups with each, same ammo, same shooter, same day. With the 4x I averaged 1/2" at 25 yards. With both the red dot and the peep I averaged 3/4" while the open sight went 1 1/4". With the open sight "most" of my shots were as good as with the peep but there was always a "flyer" or two which opened the group. Since there were no flyers with the scope or peep it could only be aiming error with the open sight.
Open sights work OK for sharp young eyes but if you need reading glasses you need a peep. Just don't make the mistake of going with a tiny little aperture which can't be used in dim light. Use an aperture no smaller than .100" and you'll find the peep beats an open sight even in very poor light. The U.S. Army went to peep sights in the 1917 and never looked back.

Olegeezer · « **Reply #26 on:** October 24, 2010, 06:55:19 AM »

Thanks Coyote Joe - any idea where I could purchase a peep sight and how I would mount it on my Savage 24?

coyotejoe · « **Reply #27 on:** October 24, 2010, 07:53:43 AM »

Just off hand, no I don't, though I seem to recall having seen them listed. The problem with any frame mounted peep is it would be either on the gun or off the gun and that would largely defeat the concept of a rifle/shotgun combo. I suppose one could become accustomed to shooting a shotgun with a peep but it would be rather slow I think. That's why I modified a folding open sight into a peep. I filed a half round groove in the base and attached it with soft solder to the breech end of the barrels.

coyotejoe · « **Reply #28 on:** October 24, 2010, 07:57:57 AM »

Oops, I posted the same photo twice. This is the one I meant to post second.

Olegeezer · « **Reply #29 on:** October 24, 2010, 08:18:07 AM »

Thanks - I will have to try it - I too have reading glasses along with regular glasses - as they say the only thing golden about getting older is your urine. I love this little gun and would not sell it - anything that makes it better or easier for me to use has to be worthwhile. I also have a Winchester Model 77 semi 22lr with a clip - man it is sure a sweet plunker to shoot.