Author Topic: What would you do? (Read 1686 times)

GRIMJIM · « **on:** April 20, 2009, 06:50:56 AM »

This dawned on me the other day and it made me wonder.

I would ask all the leo's we have here, current and retired and perhaps all the military people also.

If you were ordered to go door to door to confiscate firearms from citizens, because they were suddenly made illegal to own. What would you do?

Would you do as you were ordered?

Would you rebel?

I'm just curious, this is not an anti-anything thread. I'd just like to see the responses,
Jim

Cabin4 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 20, 2009, 06:57:12 AM »

This is a good questions for those leo workers in California and Illinois. Both enacted state laws or local ordances that had required confiscation.

Illinois: The town of Morton Grove outlawed hand guns
California: Has an semi ban on certain weapons (AK & others) that are required to be confiscated.

There are likly more out there. I'm just not sure of the details.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #2 on:** April 20, 2009, 07:01:55 AM »

i am not LEO but would like to address them

i expect you to do what you were hired to do
the same as you kick in the homes of drug users and you'll kill each other
soon OBAMA and the democrats will give you a whole new buch to attack

many including my self respect your opinion
so i suggest you influence people how to vote when ever possable
and maybe YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO

i hope that such an order will spawn mass resignations
but you have a family to support
and we will just loose our friends in law enforcement

if given such an order and you follow it..........
you won't be the first or last to die over freedom
or the first or last to kill over freedom

like i said stop anyone that wuld give you such an order
BEFORE the order is given...........2010 congressional elections aren't far away
use your influence........not you force

Skunk · « **Reply #3 on:** April 20, 2009, 07:20:29 AM »

It's a good question GrimJim, but I believe this thread is going to end up like the other thread where the same question was asked of the Military personnel (or at least the thread ended with that as the theme). I'm betting at least 6 full pages on this one.

briarpatch · « **Reply #4 on:** April 20, 2009, 07:24:21 AM »

Look no farther than N.O.

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #5 on:** April 20, 2009, 07:25:35 AM »

Quote from: Skunk on April 20, 2009, 07:20:29 AM

It's a good question GrimJim, but I believe this thread is going to end up like the other thread where the same question was asked of the Military personnel (or at least the thread ended with that as the theme). I'm betting at least 6 full pages on this one.

I didn't see that one, sorry if this is a rethread.

rockbilly · « **Reply #6 on:** April 20, 2009, 07:26:39 AM »

If I were still active military this would be a tough call. Anyway you slice it it will be a diffcult, the number of guns in the hands of Americans would hard to deal with and when you throw in thr opposition it will be a tough job.

Skunk · « **Reply #7 on:** April 20, 2009, 07:33:50 AM »

Quote from: GRIMJIM on April 20, 2009, 07:25:35 AM

Quote from: Skunk on April 20, 2009, 07:20:29 AM
It's a good question GrimJim, but I believe this thread is going to end up like the other thread where the same question was asked of the Military personnel (or at least the thread ended with that as the theme). I'm betting at least 6 full pages on this one.

I didn't see that one, sorry if this is a rethread.

No Grim, I didn't mean it that way. That topic was basically about Military personnel, and this topic pertains to Police. Actually a big difference on mind set there, or so it would seem. I'm all for this thread. I'd really like to hear how the officers on board here feel about your question. And just for comparison, here is a the link to the other thread:

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,167793.0.html

jimster · « **Reply #8 on:** April 20, 2009, 09:41:58 AM »

A few LEO's I've talked to while shooting at the outdoor range said no...they are not speaking for anyone but themselves. One of them also said he needs to go home at the end of the day, and figured that would not be a good way to go home at the end of the day either. Another one also said he has personal firearms at home as well...and nobody was going to take them either. Again, they were speaking for themselves....not for all police officers.

Opinions will vary, but sending a few police officers into a neighborhood to confiscate weapons doesn't sound like a good plan....sending them all at once into a neighborhood does not sound like a good plan either, as some people would be headed to their home base while they were gone...that's called offense, and anything that hits the news like confiscation from home to home would cause some offense to happen as well in a lot of places.

I don't see this thread going anywhere either really...too many people, including LEO's have their own opinions as well. I personally think the governments are smarter than to put out the word they are coming house to house and actually do it. That would be pretty dumb to cause any police officers to fail, or to be killed on duty, or snipped by neighbors a 100 yards away when showing up down the road to someone's house. Some neighborhoods would fight hard, some would not...but they already know about the some that would fight hard...pretty chancy don't ya think?

Jim

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #9 on:** April 20, 2009, 10:01:18 AM »

not either LEO or Military so i won't insult them . But you might add how many others would inform on those with these "illegal" guns ? If so why ?

Skunk · « **Reply #10 on:** April 20, 2009, 10:05:05 AM »

I think you make some good points there Jimster. I guess I'm not really sure about how it would play out in the bigger cities, but of the many LEO that I know here in the rural communities, I think most would seriously buck up and refuse to enforce a crazy law like gun confiscation, especially if it involved the potential of harming the locals that most of the officers grew up with or know on a first name basis. But then, most of the police officers that I know all grew up with guns, hunting, and most of all the idea that the 2nd amendment wasn't debatable. Maybe my neck of the woods is different than other places, but we seem to have a great number of police officers that do not see themselves as Law Enforcement Agents, but rather as Peace Officers. But then, who knows what might happen when the SHTF.

kinslayer1965 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 20, 2009, 10:08:58 AM »

"When justice is denied an individual and that person does not reach out for justice the next person has to reach that much higher. If enough people in succesion fail to reach out for justice when it is denied, soon justice will be out of reach of us all." Don't remember the name of the individual who said those sage words but they are very true.

If the little old lady in New Orleans could fight to keep her pistol and forced the law breaking police to wrestle her to the ground to disarm her can I do any less?

It would not be a pretty picture. I can put up a hell of a lot more fight than a little old lady.

briarpatch · « **Reply #12 on:** April 20, 2009, 01:35:17 PM »

If you watch the video of the little old lady, she did not fight back but went and got the gun they asked her to. When she brought it to give to the police one of the big, bad, no IQ, type dufuss pukes jumped on her and took her down. That video is a must see for everyone.
This type of action on the leo's part seem to be about the norm instead of the exception.
My take on it and the one I will have to defend is that when young men join the military they are not joining to sing in a choir. They want to fight.
When a man joins the police he is not joining to protect you and keep peace. He wants to put a sock over his head and bust your head. It seemed that cops had some morals several years ago but have lost those through the training they receive now.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #13 on:** April 20, 2009, 02:06:15 PM »

Quote from: briarpatch on April 20, 2009, 07:24:21 AM

Look no farther than N.O.

+1

billy_56081 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 20, 2009, 02:37:03 PM »

Back in my Army days we discussed this scenario between the guys, there were a bunch of us that would have acted like we were going along with it, then we would have committed fratracide on our officers and non coms that were commanding us to disobey the constitution. Would have made them really think about their actions.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #15 on:** April 20, 2009, 03:48:41 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on April 20, 2009, 02:37:03 PM

Back in my Army days we discussed this scenario between the guys, there were a bunch of us that would have acted like we were going along with it, then we would have committed fratracide on our officers and non coms that were commanding us to disobey the constitution. Would have made them really think about their actions.

a new generation is running things now

CannonKrazy · « **Reply #16 on:** April 20, 2009, 05:16:11 PM »

I know this is far fetched but any law enforcement officer dumb enough to go door to door taking guns from law abiding citizens is just plane stupid. Most of these jobs don't pay enough to put your life on the line to walk up to a house and take someones firearms. I"m quite sure there are some that would do it without any questions and not feel bad about it. Sooner or later there is going to be a person that will refuse to comply and open fire killing an officer and causing major problems for everyone. I for one wouldn't risk my life or jepadise my families well being just because law abiding citizens choose to own a house full of guns and ammo. I also think it would take an absolute idiot to give an order to these officers and expect them to carry it out.

mirage1988 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 20, 2009, 06:08:41 PM »

Have any of you seen a SWAT raid? They don't just walk up and knock. I have seen it twice next door. You don't have a chance unless you see them coming, even then you might get one or two if you are lucky.

CannonKrazy · « **Reply #18 on:** April 20, 2009, 06:23:51 PM »

As I said it was far fetched but swat can't be everywhere at one time. Someone is going to wise up and take action against the people doing the confiscating.

beerbelly · « **Reply #19 on:** April 21, 2009, 12:52:54 AM »

After the cops kill a few, the rest will hand them over.
Beerbelly

gypsyman · « **Reply #20 on:** April 21, 2009, 01:15:06 AM »

I don't think most leo's would do that. And, after having been through armed robberies, where the bad guy had the upper hand, you don't argue when you have a gun to your head.
On the other hand, when police cars start to blow up from fire bombs and they get sniped at a few times, maybe the dumb ones that are confiscating the guns, might smarten up, or take a dirt nap. gypsyman

billy_56081 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 21, 2009, 01:38:54 AM »

Quote from: mirage1988 on April 20, 2009, 06:08:41 PM

Have any of you seen a SWAT raid? They don't just walk up and knock. I have seen it twice next door. You don't have a chance unless you see them coming, even then you might get one or two if you are lucky.

If you are the target of the raid it will not be good. If someone down th block is the target long range rifle fire from the flanks would really throw a crimp in the raiders plans. Going on the offensive and taking the raiders out in thier homes and in public would also cause alot of secutity issues with the traitors to the constitution.

CannonKrazy · « **Reply #22 on:** April 21, 2009, 04:28:33 AM »

Gypsyman and Billy I think you guys are on the right track. If law officers or military choose to confiscate weapons it sure is going to be a hard job to accomplish with all the lead flying overhead. All gun owners are going to have to wake up and decide whats best for them. If they choose to give them up and submit to government control then they are useless anyway,nothing more than a puppet waiting for their next orders. For the people who choose to fight the government it's going to be a tough battle. The more gun owners to speak out and let their intentions be known the better it will be for us all.

tn_junk · « **Reply #23 on:** April 21, 2009, 07:10:21 AM »

I am retired LEO.
Not an "headbuster" or Skinhead. Neither Ignorant nor Uneducated.
There a few bad COP's out there. Don't judge all by the few. That is
the same as the present administrations policy of punishing the innocent for the sins
of the guilty.

To answer your question:
I would not do it. Many, especially in bigger cities, most likely would.
Do you really think that all the records you fill out when applying to buy
a gun aren't stored somewhere? Might want to do a little checking on how Canada
handles these situations.

alan

gypsyman · « **Reply #24 on:** April 21, 2009, 01:20:28 PM »

alan, hope you understand. I'm not against L.E. It's just that as far as I'm concerned, if an order came thru to police and military, to confiscate firearms, they are no longer good guys. They have become enemies of our country, and constitution. At least the ones that obey are.
I truely hope to never see this situation. I do believe we will have some tough times ahead. I would rather work with law enforcement, help control looting and crime, I think there will be enough for them to do just doing that. gypsyman

CannonKrazy · « **Reply #25 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:13:56 PM »

Quote from: gypsyman on April 21, 2009, 01:20:28 PM

alan, hope you understand. I'm not against L.E. It's just that as far as I'm concerned, if an order came thru to police and military, to confiscate firearms, they are no longer good guys. They have become enemies of our country, and constitution. At least the ones that obey are.
I truely hope to never see this situation. I do believe we will have some tough times ahead. I would rather work with law enforcement, help control looting and crime, I think there will be enough for them to do just doing that. gypsyman

This sums it up pretty good. Well said.

jimster · « **Reply #26 on:** April 21, 2009, 02:58:09 PM »

"If you are the target of the raid it will not be good. If someone down th block is the target long range rifle fire from the flanks would really throw a crimp in the raiders plans. Going on the offensive and taking the raiders out in thier homes and in public would also cause alot of secutity issues with the traitors to the constitution."

That was kind of my point as well...swat team or not....a sharp shooter taking one out from way down the road...confiscation ends for that day at that house....now they need a whole lot more people to secure the whole neighborhood don't they? How many swat team members are going on a raid next day after that happens once or twice?

And yes...if you are home and the target of a raid, it will not be good for you at that time. Not everyone everywhere will be on the defensive though.

I still think it's way to chancy for anyone to give orders to go house to house. At this time in history anyway, things could change over time.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #27 on:** April 22, 2009, 02:59:17 AM »

Don't know if it matters but in Va. the State Police have armored trucks for a lack of a better decription they look like old half tracks with tires on the back instead of tracks . They must have a hundred .

45-70.gov · « **Reply #28 on:** April 22, 2009, 04:20:50 AM »

this is a question to LEO ect
instead it is most of us speculating [including myself]

look to WACO and RANDY WEAVER and all the DRUG raids on citizens of this country
if you find it acceptable to kick in a home over a drug then you must find it acceptable over a gun
you either beleive in freedom or you don't.....the rights of privacy in your home or you don"t

i think a few big raids will be made on gun owners
but this style draws too much attention and is a unifying event

they may put on a few SHOWS of force just to intimidate some
but their main plan is to get you to hide then....be afraid to be seen with a gun...stop the open trading
generally remove them from society......soon the war on drugs will be the war on guns

has any one notices the words ''GUNS'' and ''DRUGS'' used in the same sentence lately on the news

Sourdough · « **Reply #29 on:** April 22, 2009, 04:41:55 AM »

My opinion, the current administration is running scared. They see a mood of revolution arising and they want to squash it before it grows. That is why they are listing anyone that disagrees with them as terrorist. They need to cut the opposition down to a defeatable size. And most importantly remove our ability to oppose authority.

They know what happened to the british and want to make sure we don't revolt again like that.