Author Topic: rusting! (Read 1053 times)

aldar · « **on:** April 22, 2009, 01:54:50 AM »

spent last week turkey hunting. one day it was rainy and wet. when we got home, wiped the Handi off well as I do with all my guns. the next morning it had rust forming on just about every surface. I'm talking about the hammer, trigger guard, under the pivot pin, barrel release latch you name it. the only way to get at the rust would be to drift out all the pins on the reciever and completly strip the gun. anyone else find this with their guns?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** April 22, 2009, 04:21:45 AM »

Nope, you need a good rust preventative gun oil is all, I use Eezox, but wipe down wet guns with WD40 first tho.

Tim

http://www.thegunzone.com/rust.html

http://www.6mmbr.com/corrosiontest.html

Datil · « **Reply #2 on:** April 22, 2009, 04:39:30 AM »

What Quick said is the thing to do,spray into action and run a patch wet down with WD-40.
Wd-40 is a drying agent. Datil

LONGTOM · « **Reply #3 on:** April 22, 2009, 05:01:40 AM »

If I might add this bit of info.
Some of you may not have had this problem but I have seen it many times.

After you use the WD-40 use a good gun cleaner like say gun scrubber and then a good gun oil.
I have seen guns that have been cleaned with WD only and after some use they were so gummed up with crud that they would not function properly, especially auto loaders.
WD-40 does attract dirt and grim.

Like I said, some may not have experienced this but it can happen.
I no longer use WD.
Instead I use Break Free.

LONGTOM

Lucky Joe · « **Reply #4 on:** April 22, 2009, 05:14:00 AM »

I agree with Longtom's comments about WD-40.

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #5 on:** April 22, 2009, 05:29:23 AM »

Quote from: LONGTOM on April 22, 2009, 05:01:40 AM

WD-40 does attract dirt and grim.

I'll admit I do find wd-40 attractive.

I read this somewhere, don't know if it's true:
Water
Displacement
40-th formula

It does not dry so much as displace the moisture, or remove it from the metal surfaces.
It will definately gum up as has been said, so follow the above instructions.

Hose it down with wd-40
clean entire gun with a good gun cleaner
Wipe down with gun oil.

I've had the same thing happen just from leaving a gun in my range bag. Well not covered with rust but with a coupole of spots. They collect moisture from anything if they're not protected. I'll use automotive oil if it's not going to be used for a while, but that's a whole other topic.

Default · « **Reply #6 on:** April 22, 2009, 06:22:15 AM »

yeah i noticed that trouble with the new 44mag SB1 but only the receiver , It was after a rainy range session even thou i was under the canopy .. But the blueing looks different on the reciever then many other arms i have .. And of course i had a gun oil in play ... What peeved me the most is the other 5 arms that were out there with me had not a drop of the same dust rust forming on them ... As to fighting this off i leave it you guys that have figured it out .. but that blueing is shady $:-\$

Might just let brownells spray and bake finish fix the problem for me...

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PHATINJUN · « **Reply #7 on:** April 22, 2009, 06:36:26 AM »

I like the Break Free spray .Kurt

aldar · « **Reply #8 on:** April 22, 2009, 07:47:08 AM »

I guess what I was kinda asking is what is your opinions on the bluing job on Handi's. Never had this kind of problem with other makes of firearms before. Would it be worth the trouble trying to re-blue it?

trotterlg · « **Reply #9 on:** April 22, 2009, 07:52:17 AM »

I think if you want a rust preventing finish I would go with parkerizing, or (God forbid), paint of some sort. Larry

quickdtoo · « **Reply #10 on:** April 22, 2009, 08:18:09 AM »

I think the problem with Handi bluing is they don't spend a lot of time neutralizing them after they're blued, every Handi I've ever bought has turned patches brown for a while when cleaning them right out of the box, if you don't clean them good to begin with and use a good rust preventative from the get go, you may have problems, that's one good reason why cleaning them good right away is essential, bores are blued too in case anyone wasn't aware, so cleaning inside as well as outside is a good practice.

Tim

Winter Hawk · « **Reply #11 on:** April 22, 2009, 09:07:33 AM »

I like the Gunkote over parkerizing myself. My model 88 Winnie had the predecessor, Black-T done that way, and 14 years in SE Alaska with lots of use & abuse didn't faze it. It may be a little spendy, but it sure is nice in the long run. Just make sure that whoever does it dissasembles the gun completely. I had one done and the innards were not done. The gunsmith has offered to redo it so that is no problem for me, but just be sure that is understood before hand.

But boy, that sure is nice not to have to worry about rain (or ocean spray for that matter) causing rust!

-WH-

LONGTOM · « **Reply #12 on:** April 22, 2009, 12:04:45 PM »

Haven't had to much problem with rust on the frames but the finish on some of the barrels is a real joke.
I have one barrel that even looks silver in color the blueing is so thin.
Just taking it out on a damp day will cause it to start to rust.
I just keep plenty of Break Free around, in the house, my shop, the hunting cabin, and my range bag.
Now some of the older barrels had a right nice finish on them.
It is not hard to tell the difference.
Just run your hand over the surface.
If it feels like fine sand paper well guess what!

I always clean a new barrel but didn't realise that they were blued inside to.
Most of them would give brown/rusty patches untill clean and then they looked just like any other barrel.
I guess that will tell you just how thin there blue jobs can be.

LONGTOM

quickdtoo · « **Reply #13 on:** April 22, 2009, 12:12:22 PM »

Here's a piece of sectioned Versa Pack barrel.

Tim

cwlongshot · « **Reply #14 on:** April 22, 2009, 01:18:21 PM »

Well, you can keep your WD-40 for other things, It has its place and its not on firearms!!

But I will sing the praises of EESOX!!! http://www.eezox.com/ Its GREAT stuff!!! I can remember the sales rep coming in our stores showing its rust resistance with salt water submersion tests. IIRC it started out right here in my home state!! I've been using it for years and years.

Roger on the easy rusting handi "bluing". Along with its thin "finish" handis metal is not polished very smoothly so all the roughness holds moisture, further precipitating the rust. Keep them clean and wipe them down with eesox and store them muzzle down in a dry climate. Something else I do with my hunting handis is to coat the barrel channel and barrel with a good coat of gun grease. This eliminates waters ability to even get in there. No water, no rust. Same for the stock to receiver area.

Good luck,
CW

gendoc · « **Reply #15 on:** April 22, 2009, 01:56:34 PM »

ROGER-THAT------LONGTOM !!!!!!!
i agree with the wd-40 thing......you said.....

rickt300 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 23, 2009, 03:46:27 AM »

I worked in a pawn shop many years ago and of course people were constantly handling the guns. The owner taught me a couple of tricks that I still use today. Armoral protectant is a great rust preventor and nothing will stick to it. Spray it on a rag then wipe the gun down and let it dry. Makes the gun look better too. When I hunted a lot in rainy SE Washington state I used an automotive car wax, Turtle wax. This works very well also.

FW Conch · « **Reply #17 on:** April 23, 2009, 04:08:45 AM »

I think we all tend to lump spray oils & lubricants under the generic term "WD 40". I guess the first spray oil was "3 in 1" & was nothing more than 30 weight. WD 40 came along, & although it has lots of household uses, I consider it to be antiquated by other "newer" products.

One of these newer products, IMHO, is CRC 6-56. If I come home with a water soaked "anything", I spray it down with the stuff & it displaces water, dust, dirt, sand, salt, etc., & prevents buildup in the future. I then wipe it off completely, guns, & apply Break Free. I completely spray the power heads of my outboard motors with the stuff, used in salt water, & they continue to look brand new. It can be sprayed on electrical, electronics- deinigerized- & prevents salt fuzz, dirt, & oil build up. I consider it to be more of a non harmful cleaner, preventer, than a lubricant, because the stuff "goes away". Lubrication needs to be done with traditional oils & greases.

Break Free has worked well for me.

As soon as I can get hold of some, I'm going to try "Eezox" !

Good Shooting - Jim

petemi · « **Reply #18 on:** April 23, 2009, 04:33:16 AM »

I was an electrician on a barrier island on the New Jersey shore. Our company had the contract to maintain the local traffic lights. In those days, they were all analog. Invariably, when a traffic light failed, the control was salted, sanded and corroded. Most times, just spraying its guts with CRC would cure the problem. We used it on our guns, reels and put it on our Wheaties in the morning.

Pete

Default · « **Reply #19 on:** April 23, 2009, 05:56:35 AM »

Tim ,

As always a wealth of handi knowledge you are ... I would not have guessed them to be blueing the bores of the barrels that might explain a few problems there with accuracy ( wont dive into that at the moment )

As for top notch gun lube , I'm a big fan of Balistol.. Smells horrible but is great stuff ... Will even keep dust off your cieling fan blades for something like 6 months

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SHOOTALL · « **Reply #20 on:** April 23, 2009, 07:15:58 AM »

Quickdtoo noticed you advocate using WD-40 . I have seen a paper from Brownells that says after using wD-40 to stop the bluing process it should not be used any more on guns . I was wondering if you had seen that ? and if it had been withdrawn as i saw it in the 80's or so . We all know it will damage ammo . I use Kroil to remove rust and grime and it works well .
thanks

quickdtoo · « **Reply #21 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:14:37 AM »

I've used WD40 on firearms for as long as I can remember

, about 50yrs or so at least, I've never had a problem with it, if you do an internet search for WD40 firearms, you'll find as many that swear by it as swear at it. I've never used it for a long term protectant tho, and that is likely the rub, I've only used it as a spray and wipe down for wet firearms, I always follow up with gun oil at least before the gun is put away for the season, I've used it alone on wet 10 day elk hunts with no problems, but once I'm home, it gets cleaned and oiled with good gun oil, Eezox for the last 21yrs. As for killing ammo, likely, but the test below certainly leads me to believe it isn't easy to intentionally kill a primer, it surely would ruin powder tho.

Tim

http://www.predatormastersforums.com/killprimers.shtml

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #22 on:** April 23, 2009, 08:32:37 AM »

thanks !

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #23 on:** April 23, 2009, 11:31:01 AM »

Tim, I think WD 40 got a bad rap from people hosing down their guns with it and not wiping off the excess.

Any oil is an attractant to dust and grime. Ideally you should dis-assemble a gun and then start cleaning. For everything that gets oiled, it needs the excess wiped off. This is the same case w/ any cleaner/protectant. I prefer Break-Free for exterior surfaces.

My NEF 12ga. is the worlds worst for rusting. Once I switched over to break-free about 3 years ago, i've not had any problems since.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #24 on:** April 23, 2009, 12:54:55 PM »

Breakfree CLP is rated a close second to Eezox in corrosion protection, much better than many other popular thought-to-be-good protectants, but it's a heck of a lot easier to find locally than Eezox.

Tim

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #25 on:** April 24, 2009, 06:29:02 PM »

Yeah, especially since the local Wal-Marts here started to carry Break-Free lol.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #26 on:** April 25, 2009, 01:17:47 AM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on April 23, 2009, 12:54:55 PM

Breakfree CLP is rated a close second to Eezox in corrosion protection, much better than many other popular thought-to-be-good protectants, but it's a heck of a lot easier to find locally than Eezox.

Tim

Locally unavalible maybe.... But in this day and age its EASY to get your supply of Eezox!! After all.. we are all on the internet...right???

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #27 on:** April 25, 2009, 02:13:19 AM »

I'm actually out of break free ATM. Since you guys are swearing buy the Eezox, I might have order me a supply of it and give it a try.