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Salvage tips?
« on: April 22, 2009, 06:07:31 AM »
I have been offered a couple of "free" muzzle loaders.
Of course you all know that there is a catch.
They have both been loaded for "a while".

After a ball puller, air/CO2 don't work, what is your next idea?
They are junk now so anything goes.

Both are 50cal cap lock rifles. One traditions and one Cabelas.
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Re: Salvage tips?
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2009, 06:34:15 AM »
put a little powder under the nipple and try to shoot them out.  If loaded w/PRB, a little oil in the barrel for the patch as well.  Good Luck.
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Re: Salvage tips?
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2009, 07:00:44 AM »
JUST GOT ONE OUT!!

A guy at work had a puller he had made.
A piece of all thread with a self drilling sheet metal screw braised on one end.

Screwed it into the ball.
Knocked it in a little.
Ran a washer and nut on the all thread.
Slowly tightened the nut down pulling the ball toward it.
After a couple inches he grabbed the rod and pulled the ball out by hand.
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Re: Salvage tips?
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2009, 07:04:40 AM »
Quote from: DennyRoark on April 22, 2009, 06:34:15 AM
put a little powder under the nipple and try to shoot them out. 

Yeah, that's what I'd do.

Take that side screw off and put some powder in, beat the rifle butt with your hand to settle the powder, pour some more. Make sure the screw is tight again.

It will likely shoot the ball out. In the event the ball gets lodged midway in the barrel you'll have to try the process again but this time you should be able to get a lot more powder in it. Ram the ball back down before shooting would be my suggestion.
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2009, 03:51:05 PM »
Be sure that they aren't loaded with smokeless powder...
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Re: Salvage tips?
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2009, 04:38:11 PM »
Quote from: filmokentucky on April 22, 2009, 03:51:05 PM
Be sure that they aren't loaded with smokeless powder...

That's a good tip! We once found a caplock pistol loaded with smokeless and a lee real bullet backwards!!~ :o
 The guy must have figured the pointy end went in the barrel better
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2009, 02:45:46 AM »
ROFLMAO! 
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We once found a caplock pistol loaded with smokeless and a lee real bullet backwards!!~
 The guy must have figured the pointy end went in the barrel better

Here's a quote from my original 1980 T/C Hawken manual, page 1, paragraph 1:

This text is not intended to frighten capable people away from the use of muzzle loading firearms.  It is intended as a warning to those few who, through lapses in common sense, irrational judgement, inability to understand or follow instructions or by a spasmotic wrecklessness tend to create problems for themselves or others.  Such people should not use firearms of any type nor should they use axes, chainsaws, automobiles, woodworking equipment.....

Probably good for them they never shot it!
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Re: Salvage tips?
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2009, 03:44:47 AM »
Well, the second one went even easier.
Now for the real test. Clean them out and see how bad they look inside.
Didn't have time last night.
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Re: Salvage tips?
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2009, 06:33:25 AM »
Had an enfield civil war musket one time that still had 3 loads stacked right on top of eachother.
In all the noise the guy pulled the trigger, assumed it fired, and reloaded...and repeated.

Talk about a pain pulling the load out  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Salvage tips?
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2009, 08:59:16 AM »
Quote from: curtism1234 on April 23, 2009, 06:33:25 AM
Had an enfield civil war musket one time that still had 3 loads stacked right on top of eachother.
In all the noise the guy pulled the trigger, assumed it fired, and reloaded...and repeated.

Talk about a pain pulling the load out  ;D ;D ;D

Not a good time to put more powder in and shoot it out.
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Re: Salvage tips?
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2009, 12:00:53 PM »
You had to use the ramrod anyway to see if there was a load in the guns you got. Ramrod sticks out about 1 1/2 inches so there's a load in the barrel.

What would concern me is if the ramrod stuck out about 4-5" more than it should ;D ;D ;D
then you know you either have multiple loads or the load is not seated.

You can eyeball it
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Re: Salvage tips?
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2009, 03:58:54 PM »
If you ever have a ball thats REALLY stuck in the barrel, get a grease zerk with the proer thread size for either the nipple or the touch hole liner, install it and pump it with grease, the hydraulics from the grease will get that thing to move everytime!
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Re: Salvage tips?
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2009, 05:37:38 AM »
"Shoot it out" is a very bad idea when you don't know what the load may be. The grease gun method is very messy but it does work when all else has failed. Unless, that is, unless you have already drilled a hole through the ball by attempts to pull it with a ball screw, then the grease will just flow through the hole without moving the ball.
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