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Re: War Crimes
« Reply #180 on: May 07, 2009, 04:14:55 PM »
The gitmo guys do get special meals, we even give them prayer rugs and the devils handbook, the koran, as if their heads aren't screwed up enough. The korans should be collected and used in the latrines for tp, and the Godless ones should be fed regular meals from the GIs mess hall, no matter what it is. They don't want to eat it??? Do without. POWDERMAN.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Re: War Crimes
« Reply #181 on: May 07, 2009, 06:59:33 PM »
It is amazing to me how some people are hung on the Weapons of Mass Destruction crap. It seems that they have forgotten the many years of effort to get Saddam to Comply with inspections and the constant humiliation of the whole world on and on. He had the weapons (CHEMICAL and BIOLOGICAL) everyone knew it and he used them on his own people. He did so without any regrets.

It was his own efforts to develope Nukes and his furthur efforts to deny anyone to verify that he was not that led to the war. Bush had to make a choice based on the information he had. Remember everyone around the world said he had or was ready to obtain Nukes. Everyone remember.

So bush could have waited to see if he would use them if he had them or stop him before he could. Thank God he made that decision in favor of the safety of this nation as well as other countries in that region of the world. Remember he had just invaded Kuwaite and had shown every sign of taking Saudi Arabia when he could.

So bush decided not to wait and see a mushroom cloud in the sky he attacked him. Remember the good old United Nation was all for it. So quit calling it Bushes War Remember all those USA loving Democrats that had listened to the same briefing as bush and had access to all the Nations Intelligence from around the world that said the same things. They voted for it based on the same intell that bush had.

So he goes in and oh no the mass destruction weapons are not found (NOW BY ALL ACCOUNTS THEY WERE MOVED TO SYRIA) yet they still were not found. The people that voted for it are stumbling and sputtering all over themselves about how they misunderstood or just did not know "WHAT A BUNCH OF COWARDS AND WEASELS" not even enough courage to stae that they supported the attack as well as the overthrow of Saddam.

GOOD OR BAD WEAPONS OR NONE Saddam could have saved his ass if he had let the inspectors in to calm the fears of the reast of the world and he did not have to invade Kuwait. That little invasion sent chills through all around the world. The with the possibility of his having or aquiring Nukes really had the knees of all knocking. Yet he did nothing because he made a little bet that the "COWARDS IN THE US would not intervene.

Well he made a bet and bush called his bluff and well he should have. So now looking back on it Saddam is DEAD and that is a good thing and IRAQ is free and if it can survive its own confliucts internnally that will be a GREAT THING for the people of Iraq.

The out come is still in doubt as to what the future is for that country, however bush should be honored for having the courage to stand up to that dictator.

Yes many good young men and women died there and they did what  they voluntered to do fight who ever and whenever there country told them too.

They deserve our praise and eternal gratitude for that.

So lets not selectively remember what we want and then utter contemp for bush lets remember it all and that almost the entire nation wanted him to stop that Bas%67 Saddam .

They fact that no weapons were found is really not that big of a deal only to the ones that believe that was the only reason we attacked maybe, yet the truth is that was not all there was to it.

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Re: War Crimes
« Reply #182 on: May 08, 2009, 02:19:01 AM »
REDTAIL. Good post, all true. POWDERMAN.  :) :)
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Re: War Crimes
« Reply #183 on: May 09, 2009, 06:48:12 PM »
As I've said before, if I were on a jury I would not convict an American of any of these so called war crimes. I care not what they do to the subhuman muslim animals. They give no quarter therefore deserve none.





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PADUCAH, Ky. —  A former soldier's life will be in the hands of a western Kentucky jury after the panel convicted him of raping and murdering a 14-year-old girl and killing her family in Iraq.

The 12 jurors were scheduled to reconvene Monday to weigh the penalty in the case of one-time Army Pfc. Steven Dale Green, 24, of Midland, Texas. Green was convicted Thursday in federal court in Paducah in the March 12, 2006, attack on Abeer Qassim al-Janabi and her family in a village about 20 miles south of Baghdad, Iraq.

One of Green's defense attorneys, Darren Wolff, said the strategy all along was to focus on the penalty phase and avoid a death sentence.

"Is this verdict a surprise to us? No. The goal has always been to save our client's life," Wolff said. "And, now we're going to go to the most important phase, which is the sentencing phase and we're going to accomplish that goal."
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Re: War Crimes
« Reply #184 on: May 10, 2009, 02:02:45 AM »
I would let him go. He wacked some Muslims, hell that's what we sent him there to do. I don't want to hear this bull crap about moderate Muslims, there ain't none! They all read the same book and it tells them to make us subjects of the Muslim religion or kill us.
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« Reply #185 on: May 10, 2009, 02:52:48 AM »
Yes I would. I am still with my old Army buddys, "what happens in the field stays in the field". It is too bad that America has betrayed this soldier for killing the enemy. If all the soldiers were fighting a total war like him this would have been over many years ago. Fighting a "lawyer war" is what is dragging this out. Half xxxxx gotta to it all legal is getting our boys killed. I could care less about any of the enemy being killed raped or robbed. The spoils of war, why do you think Ghengis Khans empire was so great. When it came to war ir was WAR do you think any of Temujins soldiers were charged with "war crimes"? Hell no they were allowed tha spoils of war.
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« Reply #186 on: May 11, 2009, 08:19:48 AM »
Yes I would. I am still with my old Army buddys, "what happens in the field stays in the field". It is too bad that America has betrayed this soldier for killing the enemy. If all the soldiers were fighting a total war like him this would have been over many years ago. Fighting a "lawyer war" is what is dragging this out. Half xxxxx gotta to it all legal is getting our boys killed. I could care less about any of the enemy being killed raped or robbed. The spoils of war, why do you think Ghengis Khans empire was so great. When it came to war ir was WAR do you think any of Temujins soldiers were charged with "war crimes"? Hell no they were allowed tha spoils of war.

He RAPED A LITTLE GIRL.  You disgust me. BTW, when you go on jury duty you swear an oath to vote to uphold the law as it is written and interpreted, not as you see it or if you think it is right. So, you have revealed the following.

1. You are OK with raping little girls. (May have done it yourself
I am still with my old Army buddys, "what happens in the field stays in the field".
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2. Your sworn oath before God is worthless.  Therefore everything you say can be considered to be a lie and should be taken as such.
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« Reply #187 on: May 11, 2009, 08:45:14 AM »
OS,
Safe to say there's a ton crimes to answer for one being the CIA scandal involving the Highest rungs of power?
Wilson's CIA's Wife being outed by Cheney's main man because he refused to sex up his report concerning the so called "Weapons of Mass Destruction" thereby putting in mortal danger anyone who had contact with her for the past 20 years?
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Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, was convicted Tuesday of lying and obstructing a leak investigation that reached into the highest levels of the Bush administration.

Libby is the highest-ranking White House official to be convicted of a felony since the Iran-Contra scandal of the mid-1980s. The case brought new attention to the Bush administration's much-criticized handling of weapons of mass destruction intelligence in the run-up to the Iraq war.

The verdict culminated a nearly four-year investigation into how CIA official Valerie Plame's name was leaked to reporters in 2003. The trial revealed that top members of the administration were eager to discredit Plame's husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who accused the administration of doctoring prewar intelligence on Iraq.
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Re: War Crimes
« Reply #188 on: May 11, 2009, 09:10:56 AM »
As I said before I could care less what crimes are committed while in the theatre of combat. I care nothing for the people on the other team.

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« Reply #189 on: May 11, 2009, 02:22:25 PM »
If the definition of "crime" depends on who you do it to, and whether or not you are at war, then why are we fighting again? Since the folks called terrorists first declared war, on "the West" which includes civilians, women and children, anything they do is not criminal. I feel better now; I thought what they did was wrong, but I'm guess I was mistaken.
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« Reply #190 on: May 11, 2009, 02:28:41 PM »
If the definition of "crime" depends on who you do it to, and whether or not you are at war, then why are we fighting again? Since the folks called terrorists first declared war, on "the West" which includes civilians, women and children, anything they do is not criminal. I feel better now; I thought what they did was wrong, but I'm guess I was mistaken.

So is their government going to try them for their "war crimes"?  As history shows the only folks convicted of "war crimes" were on the losers side.
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« Reply #191 on: May 11, 2009, 02:56:46 PM »

So is their government going to try them for their "war crimes"?  As history shows the only folks convicted of "war crimes" were on the losers side.

They do not have a government willing or able to control them.  That's why we are at war with them.

I've acknowledged that War is Hell.  There are going to be horrible things happen while the bullets fly and the bombs fall. 

However, Billy, I want to confirm...

Do you really think it is OK, under any setting, to rape a child (or anyone)?   
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« Reply #192 on: May 11, 2009, 03:00:04 PM »
Why? No crime was committed. They declared war on us, so by your logic nothing they do against their enemy (everyone not like them) in their theater of combat (the whole planet) matters. All that matters is who wins, right?

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« Reply #193 on: May 11, 2009, 03:17:07 PM »
The ends justify the means.

As I said I would not convict if on the jury. And you knowwhat I would miss less sleep than if I put an American soldier in prison for what he did to the enemy. 
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« Reply #194 on: May 11, 2009, 03:53:48 PM »
The ends justify the means.

As I said I would not convict if on the jury. And you knowwhat I would miss less sleep than if I put an American soldier in prison for what he did to the enemy. 

Fortunately our American soldiers have a better ethical understanding of warfare than the ends justify the means. When my up gunner righteously killed a 15 yo boy with a Mod 2 at under 100m he was devastated, particularly when there was never a real threat, just a perceived threat. It hurt him morally, ethically - it got at his sense of right and wrong. He did not so easily dismiss the killing with "war is hell" or "ends justify the means" even when his chain of command supported his decision. That's a good man, with a good heart, that had to do something he wished he didn't have to do. He did it well which is a credit to his training, and he hates it, which is a credit to his morality.

The nature of war on a methodology (i.e. terror) as opposed to war on a government (i.e. Japan) or an ideology (i.e. Communism), is that you have to have a better - more moral, and more ethical - methodology. We beat Communism with a better idea - Capitalism; we'll beat terror with a better method - honor.

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« Reply #195 on: May 12, 2009, 06:23:56 AM »
That's a good man, with a good heart, that had to do something he wished he didn't have to do. He did it well which is a credit to his training, and he hates it, which is a credit to his morality.

The nature of war on a methodology (i.e. terror) as opposed to war on a government (i.e. Japan) or an ideology (i.e. Communism), is that you have to have a better - more moral, and more ethical - methodology. We beat Communism with a better idea - Capitalism; we'll beat terror with a better method - honor.


Very good post, Sir.  You give me hope.
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« Reply #196 on: May 15, 2009, 04:19:24 AM »
How times, attitudes, and the world have changed.......................  WWII, Viet Nam, and the Middle East are all different, yet in some ways the same.  For the sake of expediency and focusing on rebuilding the world - hundreds of thousands of murdering, vicious, REAL war criminals were ignored after WWII.  There were very virtually no prosecutions against the Japanese,  and regarding the Nazis, justice was focused on a very small number. 


By WARREN KOZAK
On Sept. 12, 2001, it is highly doubtful that any member of Congress was worried that our government would be too harsh in its treatment of terrorists. When countries are threatened, basic survival trumps civil liberties not just for enemy combatants but for citizens as well. Our priorities change.

We saw that with the attack on Pearl Harbor. Days before Japanese warplanes destroyed the U.S. Pacific fleet on Dec. 7, 1941, 80% of Americans did not want to go to war against either Germany or Japan. The day after the attacks, those numbers re    versed themselves. Over the next four years, the United States did things it would never do in normal times -- Japanese-Americans were placed in prison camps, press reports and the mail of American soldiers were censored by the military, and the FBI tapped phones without court orders.

In peacetime, a country can deliberate the balance of its security and civil liberties. It can even apologize for actions that were clearly wrong. When a nation is in peril, however, a forceful defense takes priority.

Following Pearl Harbor, this country asked its military leaders to commit acts that, when taken out of context, can be viewed as war crimes today. Between March and August of 1945, 38-year-old Gen. Curtis LeMay ordered the deaths of more civilians than any other man in U.S. history. No one else comes close, not William Tecumseh Sherman, not George S. Patton -- no one.

On the night of March 9, 1945, LeMay sent 346 huge B-29 bombers loaded with napalm from the Mariana Islands (Guam, Saipan and Tinian) to Tokyo. The first planes dropped their incendiaries on the front and back of the target area -- like lighting up both ends of a football field at night. The rest of the planes filled in the middle. More than 16 square miles of Japan's capital city were gutted, two million people were left homeless, and 100,000 were dead.

It didn't end there. Washington gave LeMay the green light as his bombers burned 64 more cities. He used the World Almanac and just went down the list by population. Altogether, an estimated 350,000 people lost their lives. Anyone hearing this for the first time in 2009 would be hard pressed to defend such an action.

Yet at the time, newspapers across America heralded the event as a tremendous achievement -- not unlike the moon landing 24 years later. The New York Times ran the story of the bombings on its front page for 10 straight days. Its lead editorial on March 12, 1945, warned the Japanese that if they didn't give up more was on the way. The New Yorker magazine ran a glowing three part series on LeMay. Time magazine put him on its cover.

Today Japan, which has been one of the most successful and responsible nations on earth for the past 64 years, doesn't seem like it should ever have received such punishment. Without understanding the context, some people would argue that the U.S. was just a wild, racist nation bent on payback after Pearl Harbor.

What many Americans today do not know was that for almost 10 years prior to LeMay's bombing, Japan was on a genocidal tear throughout Asia. There was a second Holocaust in World War II that most Americans are unaware of -- one that killed upwards of 17 million Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos and other Asians.

So when LeMay finally figured out a way to bring the war to a faster end, there was jubilation not just in the U.S. but throughout Asia. LeMay also knew that both the U.S. and Japan were preparing for what would be the largest invasion (and most horrific bloodbath) in history.

With the fighting becoming more ferocious as the Americans came closer to Japan, Washington focused its attention on landings scheduled for November 1945 and March 1946. Combat troops who had survived the war in Europe were being brought home, given a one-month leave, and then shipped to staging areas in the Pacific. The Japanese were also getting ready by mobilizing old men, women and children into suicide squads. Squadrons of kamikaze planes were set aside to hit U.S. ships. The atomic bomb would not be tested until July 16. No one could be sure it would work.

In the strange calculus of war, LeMay helped prevent an estimated one million American casualties and upwards of two million Japanese by helping push Japan's Emperor Hirohito to surrender before the invasion. Killing large numbers of people to save even more lives is not a decision most of us would want to make. But at the time, the majority of Americans were thankful that LeMay was willing to do it.

Today, some question whether the ends justified the means. In 1945, no American with a husband, brother or son serving in the military did. For them, the speediest end of that horrible conflict was the only goal.

Mr. Kozak is the author of the just published "LeMay: The Life and Wars of General Curtis LeMay" (Regnery).

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« Reply #197 on: May 15, 2009, 07:10:50 AM »
All this just because of some water dumped on some faces?  Sheesh!   What this boils down to is one party going after another party, pure politics, nothing more than that. 

I personally am sick of the politics involved trying to make the other party look bad...when both parties are the same, and do the same things.  Nobody is going to get convicted of any war crimes...won't happen...at most we just make our nation look bad being at each others throats.

People get killed in war...and things get broken...period...if they don't want that to happen you don't go to war. If you do go, you kill everything in sight...hopefully before one solders boot hits the ground.  If we stuck to just that there would not be many wars, and nobody would be trying to see how tough we were.

The solders need to be left alone as well...my son opened fire on a car that was not supposed to be in a certain place...nobody was supposed to go through there, and followed his orders and turned the car into junk with a .50.  It's bad enough when you find out some old man was just lost or something...these guys have to deal with that as it is, without some idiot in Congress trying to send our men and women to prison for doing what they are told.  A solder that clearly breaks the rules is one thing,  but nobody in congress or anyone else needs to be involved in what our solders are doing, nor do they need to listen to the enemy when they say what happened.  If people don't like it, including Congress...then bring them all home. 

People don't go to war, governments do... they just send people to war.  Usually young people.
 

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« Reply #198 on: May 15, 2009, 05:09:37 PM »
Good post Ed!
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