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Re: Need help on what automotive GPS to get.
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2009, 11:17:16 AM »

Garmin: Question:  How can I fix the Memory Battery Low message on my GPS 12 series device?
Answer:
Under these circumstances it is possible to recharge the internal memory battery of the device.
To do this please follow these steps:
1.   Insert 4 new alkaline batteries or plug the device into external power
2.   Turn the device off
3.   Let the device set for at least 24 hours
This process may allow the internal memory battery to recharge, if the low memory battery message continues to appear it is then recommended that you contact Product Support to have the device serviced.


I was surprised that they were still servicing the GPS-12.  I had read that they were not servicing some of the older units.

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I would suggest that if your unit has been setting used for a long period of time that you check it out.  If your internal battery is still going, set it out where it can receive a satellite signal and it can update the almanac.  When it has updated it will receive the new satellites when they are overhead.  Newer units use flash memory rather than a battery to retain waypoints, routes, and tracks.

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There is a learning process to effectively using a gps.  Do not throw your compass and map away!

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Re: Need help on what automotive GPS to get.
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2009, 05:59:10 AM »
Thanks for those links Siskiyou, You can bet that I have them on file now.

Thanks for the interesting stories also. I could not help but run down fire name Coleman. I placed myself right on top of that location and was immediately struck by the raw beauty of the place.
I found the information for air strikes to be on the money as it was @ 65 degree's from KANB but I read it as 26.1 miles away. This was solved because my reading came from the Taladego VOR which is 7.7mile
Beyond the Anniston strip so that puts us right in the ball park on the 16.5 mile range. The Lat\Lon is what was important though and it sounds like those guy's in the air could drop a bucket of water on a camp fire if need be.

I did play with my grid a bit once here but this was fast work and my scaling was messing up on the grid size verse the cursor and zoom factor. I read any leg of the square as being a little over 18mile but in reality, is probably 20 miles?

Other notes of intrest was that Coleman was around 19.1 miles (as the crow fly's) from the Bosses house. I wonder if he could see or smell any smoke? Course I really dont know how big this fire was or how long it took to get it put out.


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Re: Need help on what automotive GPS to get.
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2009, 10:36:14 AM »
It actually was a fire gaming problem using the Coleman Lake area as a play ground.  I choose Coleman Lake because it’s close to you guys, offers a lot of fuel, and I wanted you to smell smoke;  and capture the boss running around the place looking for spot fires.  A wildland fireman has to visualize a fire running and spotting out of a forested area into a populated area.  The goal is to catch fires while they are small.

As a retired old guy I work as an emergency dispatcher when needed.  We had a drill yesterday covering the North State where each unit had to create a fire, dispatch local resources and order aircraft.  When local resources could not fill an order the order was forwarded up the chain.  While one dispatcher dispatched ground resources I generated the computer orders for local aircraft and additional aircraft the incident commander needed.  When fires get going it takes a number of people in the dispatch system to do the job.  In June of last year we had over a thousand lightning fires start in the North State.  A very busy time.  Anyway I benefitted from the training and learn a little bit more about the computer software we use.

Fire gaming like war games is used to strength the skill levels of fire fighters so that they can do their job when the fire bell rings.  It is a sand box problem.

When a wildland fire is reported by a distant fire lookout tower, the report given the dispatch center is in degrees and estimated miles from the tower.  In the old days the dispatcher had a large topo map on the wall with the lookout location on it.  From a lookout location(s) the dispatcher would run a string out from the lookout at the given degrees and miles.  If more than one lookout reported the crossing location becomes very accurate.  Now days the information is entered into the CAD and the system comes up with a location.  The large map is still on the wall.

The protocol for creating a Fire (incident) in the system requires the dispatcher to name a nearby city or community in the incident which will be automatically duplicated in aircraft orders.  This assists the pilots.  A heavy airtanker with 2000 gallons of retardant may be launch from Atlanta for a fire in the Coleman area.  The city given is reference for the pilots.  Airtanker can be launch from a number of locations.  Most likely a heavy airtanker for Coleman would come out of a base near Atlanta.   Other bases maybe hundreds of miles away.  The pilot who has instruments to guide him including a gps to the fire.  A big step from the first time I had an airtanker drop on me.  It was a biplane dropping 75-gallons.  I was excited when the little yellow biplane made its drop.

Back to the Nuvi, last June’s lightning bust resulted in a lot of fires, the majority was suppressed by local resources, but some got away because there were no resources or not enough to put on the fires.  Firefighting resources started arriving from all over the country.  I believe it was a management team from the Eastern Area (New York) that managed one of the large fires in a very steep canyon in the middle.  This fire required a lot of travel.  The main fire ended up around 26,000 acres, and they also managed a couple other fires in the 100 acres in range.  One of the first items order by the team was twenty Garmin Nuvi.  The model they order was in the 200 series.  It was a smart order.  While City Navigator does not show the topography, but it displays the primary logging roads, streets in developed areas that are threaten by the advancing fires, lakes which can be used as water sources, small airports, and the continental railroad track that represents millions of dollars per train.  A mapping device to get the resources to the right spot is cost effective.

A friend recently purchased a Nuvi 260 which has been discontinued on sale for his wife.  I think they will be happy with it.  They make a few trips during the year.  He does not admit it, but he is somewhat of a tech guy.  I would not be surprised if he updates in a few years, to a his and her Nuvi.
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Re: Need help on what automotive GPS to get.
« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2009, 04:20:40 AM »
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I could not help but run down fire name Coleman. I placed myself right on top of that location and was immediately struck by the raw beauty of the place.

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It actually was a fire gaming problem using the Coleman Lake area as a play ground

I might have been mad about this false alarm Siskiyou because I had to drive 25miles to KDEC and then file an IFR flight plan to take the Learjet 45 401.5 nautical miles to KANB. Not really too bad on the whole because once in the air, I could get down there in 40min or so. In reality, I was not mad at all because I used a gaming solution for a fire gaming problem.

There is just a touch of humor here as I initially thought that the Coleman fire was a real one. It kind of reminds me of a time several years ago when a neighbor called and told me to get my brown dog out of his garden. I don't have a brown dog, I said...thats ok, he replied, I dont have a garden!

So much for my attempt of humor and back to our virtual fire. Once at KANB, I could have chosen a copter such as the Augusta Westland to drop off ground crews or supplies for the fire fighting or perhaps to preform rescue operations. If this task had already been taken care of, I might have been chosen to fly an Erikson to actually fight the fire.



This is a virtual senario of course and I made this post because your last one was both interesting and well written. My question for you is Who Are These Guys In The Air?. Are they part of the national forest service or perhaps different branches of the Civil Air Patrol?. We do have a local civil air patrol and I was invited to attend a meeting at one time. This was attractive because an engineer at my work place had actually got a pilots license for a very reasonable fee with his membership and got a lot of free flight time in. Unfortunately, I was not able to do this because I was working the swing shift and was obligated to work overtime on either end of any givin shift.