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Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« on: April 27, 2009, 03:22:20 PM »
Ostensibly to help 2,000,000 people with AIDS, a trillion dollars has been given to Africa from various governments and charities. That's $500,000 per patient. It hasn't helped.
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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2009, 03:25:08 PM »
It must not have been enough money then, better send em some more!

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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2009, 04:30:14 PM »
I read somewhere that 85% of all disease is preventable or self-inflicted.  Smoking causes cancer, obesity caused heart trouble and diabetes, alcoholism kills with drunk driving, aids and STD's are self inflicted. 

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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2009, 07:39:24 PM »
It must not have been enough money then, better send em some more!

Now thats funny!  Unfortunately I'm sure that the obamanation WILL send them more money.  He'd lose too many votes if they died off.
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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2009, 08:32:54 PM »
You know, other then folks getting AIDS from contaminated blood during a transfusion, I really don't have much sympathy with those that get it from the the "standard" method. I don't care how ignorant or uniformed or uneducated any third world ( or second-world, or first-class-world ) person is, they know how it is spread. Play?? Pay!!
AND, of the money that is spent in Africa, how much is "diverted" to the various corrupt people in power.
Just another "feel good" program that should be eliminated.
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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2009, 04:30:33 AM »
If you're a religious person, you've got to believe that the Lord keeps sending solutions to over poopulation and we keep trying to frustrate his initiatives.  We'd better go ahead and let it happen before he resorts to drastic means.
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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2009, 05:07:42 AM »
AIDS: THE UNTOLD STORY
By Dr. Stanley Monteith
It has been said that "men become accomplices to those tragedies which they fail to oppose". Nowhere is that truth more clearly demonstrated than in the apocalypse currently unfolding across the world as the HIV epidemic continues its silent spread from land to land.
As of January 1, 1997 over 350,000 Americans will be dead, another 200,000 will be in the terminal stages of their illness, and an additional six hundred thousand to a million more will be HIV infected. Barring the possibility that protease inhibitors can permanently block HIV-induced immunosuppression, almost all those currently infected will progress to terminal-stage illness and death.
The enormity of the tragedy facing America today, however, is dwarfed by the tragedy sweeping Asia and Africa. As of mid-1994, in the small landlocked nation of Malawi in Southern Africa, 30% of high school students and 68% of college students tested were found to be HIV infected. (1) Recent testing of soldiers throughout Africa revealed a 50% HIV infection rate, while testing of military units in Zimbabwe revealed a 90% infection rate. It is estimated that in Zimbabwe between one-quarter and one-third of President Mugabe's Cabinet have already perished from AIDS. (2)
In the May, 1996 issue of Special Warfare, a magazine distributed primarily to members of Special Operations (Military Intelligence) units, Dr. Brian Sullivan writes: "The immediate future may present other daunting challenges...Because of complicated social and cultural reasons, AIDS already infects a high proportion of the military and civilian officials of Zaire, Uganda, Kenya, Zambia and other central African countries. In some or all of these countries government establishments may collapse in the next 10-15 years...civil rule may also erode or break down in parts of North Africa, the Middle East, India and Southeast Asia." (3)
In Uganda, the average life span of men has fallen to 30 years, while the average life span of women has fallen to 27 years. (4) A missionary friend living in Africa reports that there are over nine million children in sub- Saharan Africa who have lost their mothers to AIDS, and that one in every four miners working in South Africa are HIV positive. These statistics were communicated to me by E-mail from Vern Tisdalle, a missionary stationed in Johannesburg, South Africa. It is estimated that by the turn of the century the epicenter of the epidemic will have shifted from Africa to Asia. Indian health authorities currently estimate that "as many as 20 million or even 50 million Indians will be infected by the year 2000, and that there will be more AIDS patients than hospital beds". (5) On June 1, 1996 Reuter's News Service reported that Dr. William Blattner of the Institute of Human Virology at the University of Maryland estimated that 100 million people will be HIV infected by the year 2000. (6) In both Asia and Africa, HIV infection (AIDS) is primarily a heterosexual disease, while in Western nations the illness is found almost exclusively among homosexuals, IV drug users, and more recently among heterosexual blacks. Why is there such variance between the continents? There are several possible explanations. Dr. Max Essex, Director of the Harvard AIDS Institute, has reported that the predominant subtype of the virus found in Western nations is HIV-I: subtype B, whereas in both Asia and Africa the predominant subtypes are C and E. Dr. Essex believes that the Langerhans cells which line the (censored word) and oral cavities are the primary sites for HIV infection. In laboratory experiments using Langerhans cell cultures, investigators have discovered that HIV I: subtype B is only minimally infectious to LH cells, whereas subtypes C and E are highly infectious. This study may explain why we find heterosexual spread of HIV infection in Asia and Africa where subtypes HIV I: C and E predominate, but only rarely in Western nations where subtype B is found. It is presumed that homosexuals and IV drug users contract HIV I: subtype B readily because of their lifestyles involving needle sharing and rectal sex. (7) Dr. Essex's work, however, does not explain the heterosexual epidemic developing within black America today. This aberration may be explained by studies which have found that certain genetic factors predispose blacks to HIV infection. Researchers have recently identified two mutated genes in some whites that are not found in blacks; these altered genes protect their hosts from HIV infection. There may well be other yet unrecognized genetic factors which confer complete or partial immunity to whites, but these factors have yet to be identified. (8,9)
Shortly after the year 2000 blacks will make up the majority of new HIV infections occurring here in the United States. (10) That supposition is reflected in statistics released by the Department of Health in Virginia in 1996. Because of the 10-year latency period between HIV infection and immunodeficiency, AIDS statistics reflect the status of the epidemic 10 years ago rather than what is happening today. Virginia's current AIDS statistics suggest equal numbers of blacks and whites infected while HIV statistics reveal that 64% of recent infections are among blacks while only 31.8% are among whites. These figures become even more frightening when one reflects that blacks make up only 22.6% of Virginia's population. (11)
What most people do not realize is that all efforts to utilize public health measures to slow spread of the HIV epidemic have been thwarted. Why?
(A) Because most people don't understand what is happening,
(B) Because many who do recognize the unfolding tragedy have been threatened and are afraid to speak out, and,
(C) Because both public health officers and physicians have been effectively blocked from introducing the public health measures needed to stop further spread of this modern-day plague. (12)

(A) Randy Shilts, author of "And The Band Played On" recognized this fact when he wrote: "The bitter truth was that AIDS did not just happen to America - It was allowed to happen by an array of institutions, all of which failed to perform their appropriate tasks to safeguard the public health ... There was no excuse, in this country and in this time, for the spread of a deadly new epidemic." (13)
Why is this happening? Tragically, most Americans do not understand the magnitude of the epidemic because our print and TV media have been selective in reporting matters dealing with the epidemic. I know that from first-hand experience because I and many of my cohorts have been thwarted in our efforts to disseminate the truth about the magnitude of the epidemic. I have recorded that story in my book "AIDS:The Unnecessary Epidemic", published in 1991 by Covenant House. An interesting study in thought control in America today is to try to acquire my book via regular distribution channels.
In recent years several other books have been published which have, in my opinion, presented misleading information about the epidemic. Tragically, that misinformation has discouraged introduction of the public health measures needed to save human lives. In 1990 Regnery Gateway published Michael Fumento's "The Myth of Heterosexual AIDS". In that book, Fumento assured his readers that there was no possibility of heterosexual spread of AIDS here in the United States. Noting that the epidemic had not exploded within the white, heterosexual community as feared, Fumento crafted a convincing tale belittling those of us who wanted to introduce public health measures to block further spread of the disease. In his book, Fumento accused me of "iceberg-theory terrorism" because during the early stages of the epidemic I expressed fear that HIV disease would spread into the general heterosexual population. (14) As time has gone by I have publicly modified my view, but to the best of my knowledge Michael Fumento has never recanted his message that no public health measures were needed. During the early stages of the epidemic, we were both wrong. I erred on the side of caution; Michael Fumento erred on the side that insists that preventive health measures were not needed to stop the epidemic. The tragedy unfolding in both Asia and Africa today reflects the apathy engendered by the misinformation disseminated during the early 1990s. I sincerely believe that the lives of hundreds of thousands of homosexuals, IV drug users, black heterosexuals and black children could have been saved had public health measures been introduced at that time. Had measures been introduced in Asia and Africa, hundreds of millions of lives could have been saved. That, however, was not to be. (15). In 1994 Inside Story Publications released "Why We Will Never Win the War on AIDS" written by Brian Ellison and Dr. Peter Duesberg. Dr. Duesberg insists that there is no AIDS epidemic, and that most of those who are assumed to have died from AIDS have actually succumbed to the complications of drug usage, sexual stimulants, and AZT. (16) An updated version of Dr. Duesberg's book was republished by Regnery Publishing Inc. in 1996 under the title "Inventing the AIDS Virus". Both books contended that:
[1] "in most individuals suffering from AIDS, no virus particles can be found anywhere in the body" (17)
[2] "retroviruses do not kill cells" (18)
[3] There are no scientific studies to document any relationship between HIV infection and immunodeficiency (19)
[4] Kimberly Bergalis was perfectly healthy before she was given AZT (20)
[5] HIV-infected hemophiliacs and transfusion recipients do not die from immunodeficiency but rather from their hemophilia and other diseases. (21)
A number of other questionable arguments were presented in a clever and convincing manner in Dr. Duesberg's book, and they swayed many people. After all, why would Dr. Duesberg, a world-famous retrovirologist, make such statements if they weren't true? Let me respond:
[1] Clinicians presently chart the course of HIV disease by measuring the numbers of viral particles present in peripheral blood.
[2] Because the HIV retrovirus routinely kills normal T cells in the laboratory, special resistant lines of T cells must be used to culture the retrovirus: This information was confirmed by telephone conversation with Dr. Donald Francis in August 1996, and with the chief of the CDC virology lab in Atlanta, Georgia, in February 1996.
[3] There have been a number of published studies documenting the relationship between HIV infection and terminal-stage immuno- suppression: (22,23)
[4] Kimberly Bergalis was severely immuno- compromised, contracted pneumocystis carinii pneumonia and had a CD4 count as low as 41 before she was started on AZT. This information was obtained from Kimberly's college medical records which were graciously provided to me by her father, George.
[5] Both Ellison and Dr. Duesberg ignore the fact that hemophiliacs and transfusion recipients who have died have virtually all manifested the classic, clinical picture of terminal- stage immunodeficiency. (24)

A detailed analysis of Dr.Duesberg's arguments and his agenda is beyond the scope of this article. That subject is covered in my HIV-Watch newsletter, and in my monograph, "The Population Control Agenda". Unfortunately, Dr. Duesberg's books have convinced many otherwise sincere people that there is no reason to institute standard public health measures to control further spread of the epidemic. (25)
(B) Why have people been afraid to speak out? I personally know of physicians, medical personnel and politicians who have had their professions ruined simply because they dared to comment publicly on the mishandling of the epidemic. On one occasion two public health officers approached me stating: "We want you to know that we support you and what you're doing, but we can't come out publicly because we've been threatened." That pattern of intimidation has been commonplace since the inception of the epidemic. The story of the threats and intimidation utilized to silence concerned professionals is also covered in "AIDS:The Unnecessary Epidemic". (26)
(C) For centuries epidemics have been stopped by identifying the infected, and preventing them from transmitting their illness to others. In the case of HIV disease it would have been relatively simple to have blocked further spread of the epidemic in the mid-1980s when the HIV blood test became available. That, however, was not to be. Even before the blood test was released in May of 1985 there were forces organizing to block the introduction of standard public health measures to control further spread of the epidemic. Virtually all necessary public health measures have been precluded because of those efforts. (27,28)
The precedent for public health management of a sexually transmitted disease epidemic was established by Surgeon General Thomas Parren during the syphylis epidemic of the 1930s. Had physicians been allowed to introduce the public health measures needed in the mid-1980s we could have stopped further spread of the plague. What should have been done?
[1] Physicians should have been instructed to carry out routine, non-mandatory, confidential HIV testing on all office and hospital patients.
[2] Mandatory reportability of the names of the infected to public health officials should have been instituted to facilitate contact tracing, compilation of accurate statistics, and identification of those who were intentionally spreading their illness.
[3] Mandatory premarital, prenatal, and neonatal HIV testing should have been introduced to save the lives of sexual partners, unborn and newborn children.
[4] Infected prostitutes should have been identified and removed from our streets.
[5] Houses of prostitution, gay sex clubs and bathhouses should have been closed.
[6] Nationwide treatment programs for drug addicts should have been introduced.
[7] Education should have stressed chastity and morality rather than instructing our youth how to put on condoms and lecturing them on aberrant sexual activity.

Tragically, almost all efforts by concerned public health officers and physicians to address the HIV epidemic have been thwarted. I know from personal experience because for over a decade I led the battle within the House of Delegates of the California Medical Association to introduce the public health measures needed to stop the epidemic. Year after year the physicians voted to introduce effective public health measures, and year after year those within the hierarchy and the bureaucracy of organized medicine worked to block implementation of those policies. That tragic story is also chronicled in my book "AIDS:The Unnecessary Epidemic".
Men and women of conscience are not relieved of their moral responsibility to speak out concerning the manner in which this epidemic has been handled simply because it has failed to involve the white heterosexual population of America. In my opinion, almost everyone who acquires this disease today does so because of our nation's failure to implement the public health measures necessary to block further spread of the illness. I sincerely believe that men do become accomplices to those tragedies which they fail to oppose. Failure to speak out in times of moral crises makes cowards of men, and these days we live in are surely times of great moral crisis.

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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2009, 05:30:06 AM »
That article is very dated. Something more up to date would be more relevant. Notice that 12 years after article (numbers were from 1997), we're all still here.

Yes, there's been a heavy price, but hardly apocalyptic.
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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2009, 05:50:38 AM »
If you're a religious person, you've got to believe that the Lord keeps sending solutions to over poopulation and we keep trying to frustrate his initiatives.  We'd better go ahead and let it happen before he resorts to drastic means.
Yes, I do believe the Lord works in this way every time there's an earthquake or tsunami.
I'm sure I'm a bad person for saying let's just pull out of there and let it happen. Money won't change their behavior, as we have demonstrated.
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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2009, 06:13:23 AM »
Money will not change Africa...the same as money will not change education.

But for some unknown reason our people in Congress do not use formulas or any kind of math, and do not track results.

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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2009, 07:06:08 AM »
Yep like War!  :o

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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2009, 01:36:26 AM »
What I would like somebody to explain to me is, why is the so called birth place of man,Africa, still the most backward,un-intelligent continent in the world. If they are truely the oldest people on earth, shouldn't they be the smartest? HMMM  gypsyman
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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2009, 03:19:51 AM »
The smart ones moved out and went to Europe and Asia.

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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2009, 03:53:10 AM »
STD's are self inflicted. 

I'm pretty sure STD's are not self-inflicted  :o :o :o ;D

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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2009, 04:03:14 AM »
I think I'll have to go along with DixieDude on this one. Only in the case of rape is STD's not self inficted. If a person wants to live that lifestyle, and screw around all the time, instead of sticking with one partner, it's self inflicted. gypsyman
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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2009, 04:08:04 AM »
From what I understand, STD's came from animals.  Aids from the Green Monkey, syphylis from sheep, etc.  So it was brought into the human race by some idiots years ago.  Like I said, don't smoke, don't drink excessively, don't overeat, get some exersize, rest when needed, avoid stress, live right, health care costs will go way down. 

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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2009, 05:46:56 AM »
STD's are self inflicted. 
You must have some nasty hands! I won't even ask where they have been.  :o
All I was told is that one could get hairy palms or at worst go blind.  ;D
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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2009, 04:46:34 PM »
Actually I'm quite certain the number of AIDS vicims in Africa is much much much higher than 2 million. But that being said, this is needed to control the population.
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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2009, 06:39:31 PM »
What I would like somebody to explain to me is, why is the so called birth place of man,Africa, still the most backward,un-intelligent continent in the world. If they are truely the oldest people on earth, shouldn't they be the smartest? HMMM  gypsyman

The figured out a way to get $500,000 for doing what they do best... breeding!
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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2009, 11:52:42 PM »
The number listed is from 22 to 25 million as of 2007. Looks like a good way to get the African population down to a managable level.
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Re: Interesting stat on aid to Africa
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2009, 01:15:44 AM »
The number listed is from 22 to 25 million as of 2007. Looks like a good way to get the African population down to a managable level.
I wonder if God would agree with you. That it's okay that the nwo is killing black people.