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Offline jd45

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« on: September 13, 2003, 12:16:27 PM »
Hello to all,
I'm new to this board, having come from Shooters.com. I've settled on an 1860 Army, but I'm wondering if you guys can enlighten me on which brand I should go with. I see at the Bass Pro Shop up in Gurnee, IL. a Traditions @ $159.95 & a Uberti @ $249.95. I know Uberti's are well-made & finished, as I have one of their 1873 Winchester Sporting rifles. I don't know anything about Traditions firearms. Being on a tight budget, I'm looking at the $90.00 difference in price, but would I be better off in the long run to go with the Uberti? I appreciate your feedback.

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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2003, 01:46:36 PM »
I bought a Pietta-made repro of the Colt 1860 Army, marketed by Traditions, about a year ago.
I was surprised and delighted at the fit and finish. It's a good revolver and at $140 in the local gunshop it was a good price.
In the past year, I've heard other shooters comment that Pietta has significantly improved its quality. At the same time, I've also heard that Uberti has had quality problems. So, you pays your money and you takes your chances.

Before you fire that new revolver for the first time, go to your local gun store and buy some Iosso Bore Cleaner (in a tube) or J-B Bore Cleaning Compound (in a small, plastic jar).
These are very mildly abrasive pastes. Put some on a tight-fitting patch and work it back and forth in the bore until the patch becomes loose. Use about a dozen patches this way, worked back and forth in the bore.
This will markedly smooth the bore of your new revolver and remove all traces of preservatives. Finally, remove any vestige of paste from the bore with Ronson lighter fluid on a patch. Lighter fluid works well because it does not leave any deposits like other cleaners.
You could fire 500 balls through the bore and get the same effect, but this is cheaper. With a dry patch, you'll notice the bore is noticeably smoother.
Also, one of your first purchases should be a revolver loading stand. This holds the revolver upright for easier charging and use of the rammer.
You will find best accuracy with round balls of .454 or .457 inch. The larger balls give a wider bearing surface for the rifling to grip.
Black powder has proven most accurate in my own revolvers. Use FFFG granulation. I like Goex best.
Buy Wonder Wads made by Ox-Yoke in .44 caliber. Soak them in melted lard or Crisco for increased lubrication. The dry lubricant used on these wads hasn't impressed me.
I use a particularly good lubricant composed of 1 part canning paraffin (sold in grocery stores), 1 part mutton tallow (sold by Dixie Gun Works) and 1/2 part beeswax. All measures are by weight, NOT volume. I measure 200/200/100 grams of ingredients on a kitchen scale and melt them at low heat in a Mason jar, in 3 or 4 inches of boiling water. When all ingredients are melted, mix well with a clean stick or disposable chopstick.
Allow to cool at room temperature. Hastening cooling by placing in the refrigerator may cause the ingredients to separate.
To lubricate the wads, place a couple of Tablespoons of solid lubricant in a clean, tuna can and place on low heat. Add the wads. Stir the wads around so they thoroughly soak up the melted lubricant. Remove from heat and snap a plastic pet-lid over the can. It's easiest to keep your wads in this same can, with the plastic lid snapped tight.
Screw the lid down on the Mason jar. Store the jar and can in a cool, dry place.
This lubricant is very good for wads because the paraffin markedly stiffens the wads and improves its ability to scrape out fouling.
Continuing on ...
Charge each chamber with 30 grains (by volume) of FFFG black powder. Thumb a greased wad into each charged chamber. Now, seat the wad firmly on the powder but don't yet seat the ball.
After all chambers have wads seated on the powder, then seat the ball firmly on the wad. No lubricant over the ball is needed, if you use a well-lubricated wad.
Finally, cap the revolver with No. 10 or 11 caps. You will have to determine the correct size for your gun.
In my own 1860 Army, a No. 10 cap is too small. It won't fully seat down on the nipple. A No. 11 is a little loose. So I pinch the No. 11 caps together into an ellipitical shape and seat them on the nipple. The pinched caps stay on the nipple better.
Cap and ball revolvers of the Colt style must have their wedge tight in the frame to shoot accurately. If the wedge is so loose that you can remove it with your fingers, accuracy will suffer. A plastic-faced mallet will tap it in nicely, and not mar its surface.
With the above information, you will better enjoy your revolver. Accuracy with theses old revolvers, with lead balls, can be wonderful. Conical bullets typically are not nearly as accurate.
Have fun!
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2003, 06:27:29 PM »
As Gatofeo said, Pietta has improved their quality markedly in the last few years, and is the brand Navy Arms markets as well.  I recently got a 36 Remington by Uberti and had to exchange it as the barrel was .030 off center in the frame....  Got a good one as a replacement, but may be indicative of Gatofeo's remark of Uberti's not being up to their old standards.  I do note though, that Uberti's internal parts are very much better than the used to be, even when their external parts were better than anyone elses.  Pietta has gone CNC with the machining, and they are well done, and the parts more interchangable than they used to be.  Don't know where Uberti is going to go since Beretta bought them out, either.  For the price differenc, including the price of parts, which are also cheaper than Uberti, Pietta may be a good choice.
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2003, 01:03:10 AM »
Not only good quality, Pietta is very responsive to e-mail inquiries about problems.  I had a four or five e-mail conference with Mr. Pietta about the rammer holding spring on my LeMat, and we found the solution.  I was quite impressed with their care and feeding of their customers.
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2003, 08:30:53 AM »
Many thanx to Gatofeo, Flint, & The Shrink for your input. I think I  might use the J-B Bore Paste method for smoothing the bore on my new Lyman Great Plains Hunter.

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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2003, 02:12:47 AM »
I have a Pietta 1860 and love it.  I have had it about two and a half years and in other hands it would be a tack driver.  I have purchased a shoulder stock from Dixie for it and at 50 yards is as accurate as my Uberti Henry Rifle.  At a significant $$$ savings, I have had no problem with Pietta.

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2003, 11:29:53 AM »
I bought at Pietta '51 Navy about 6-7 years ago and have been less than pleased with it.  Just bought a Uberti '61 Navy and its clearly a step up in quality.  Can't speak for everything.