Author Topic: Its time to fight back against ny gun control (Read 2565 times)

chrsm · « **on:** May 01, 2009, 02:37:46 PM »

Any Ideas about what we can do! Should we shut down the DEC by not purchasing a hunting license for 09 10. I say shut em down! Any other ideas out there? Just a idea.

ironglow · « **Reply #1 on:** May 01, 2009, 02:48:01 PM »

I am a hunter safety instructor for NY..believe me, DEC isn't your enemy..they WANT more hunters and it's not their fault that crooked politicians are robbing their till.
If we boycott the DEC, the politicians may just get rid of the current folks there and put their "own kind' in place of them. Their own kind would probably be a cross between Al Gore & PETA..
Find another way, please..

BTW: We can help the situation by encouraging and growing the number of hunters..take a kid hunting this week !

chrsm · « **Reply #2 on:** May 01, 2009, 05:24:50 PM »

I know that the good people that work for the DEC are not my enemy. This idea is extreme. I am sad to think the future of hunting, trapping and shooting sports is on the chopping block do to politicians. All the new laws are not good for the revenue are future of the DEC. I just have a hard time with these insane Laws. The (.50cal) you know some one will just neck down the same case to a .495 and re-barrel. The (micro stamp) some one will just pick up some spent cases and reload and commit a crime.............We should find other ways I agree, any ideas? We have some very gun stupid people in NY dictating and passing new laws that affect you, me and the DEC. Which the DEC will ultimitly will have to inforce (thats why). I also believe in hunting safety and believe that most hunters should shot more often to become more proficient with firearms. I believe hunting safety courses should shoot more and talk less. Most young people think that going hunting is the time to go out and shoot. NO no no, you should go practice shooting to become a better shot and hunter. Some times you will never shoot at all and you can still in-joy the outdoors.

jr 1968 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 01, 2009, 06:08:52 PM »

Hi Guy's
I'am with ya chrsm and ironglow. I have been scratching my head on what us New Yorkers can do, I'am lost but no we can't turn on the DEC. What makes me so mad is the bill 3076 saying we have to be license
to have a rifle or shotgun. Yes there are other bills to but this one really burns my butt!

Hopefully some of you other New Yorkers can chime in with some ideas, because this crazy and also is going against the 2 nd ammendmant!!

So lets hear from ya,

jr 1968

ironglow · « **Reply #4 on:** May 02, 2009, 01:31:08 AM »

Obviously a "license" to own a gun is an infringement as stated in the 2nd amendment. The only problem is govt will still pass their laws until someone challenges them in court. Most of us cannot afford to do it, but helping an organization that can do it is a real help.
here in NY, someone like S.C.O.P.E. (Shooters Committee on Political Education) can help..plus get younger or even non-hunting/shooting friends started.

bubba · « **Reply #5 on:** May 02, 2009, 11:26:16 AM »

I am also a safety instructor here in NY. You say that we need to spend more time shooting and less time talking in our classes. Well unfortunately the people who go on gun shooting sprees which cause the changes in the laws I am willing to bet have never taken a hunter safety class as they never intended to get a hunting license. So changing a hunter safety class will make absolutely no difference other than more control over law abiding citizens. The only solution is to vote out the fools who keep trying to inact the laws. Again we are out voted by the liberal gun control freaks who out number us in this state. My solution is when I retire in 3 years is to leave NY state and take my state pension and spend it where I am less controlled as far as guns go. So Texas here I come.

kitchawan kid · « **Reply #6 on:** May 02, 2009, 11:49:52 AM »

I am here in westchester,N.Y. I would like to know if anyone or organization is going to challenge all these laws in N.Y. as being aganist the 2nd admendment?

bubba · « **Reply #7 on:** May 02, 2009, 01:04:51 PM »

like who

ironglow · « **Reply #8 on:** May 02, 2009, 01:48:11 PM »

I have already spoken with my state senator. Actually it was a redundant move, since she is a gal born on a farm that her family still run and her father & brothers all hunt, while she shoots trap, so she is already in our corner.
If I had any doubts, I would still write my state senator saying I expect he/she will honor the Bill of Rights..and explain why. If the senator answers negatively or doesn't answer..I would contact them again, saying I will watch their vote and if they vote against the Constitution, I will go door-to-door campaigning AGAINST them in their next election..and then follow through & DO IT !

bubba · « **Reply #9 on:** May 02, 2009, 02:56:19 PM »

In NY us 2nd amendment people are the minority. I doubt very many senators will be scared to vote how they want because the majority will reelect them for doing so. WE ARE NOT a big enough voice to get what we want.

ironglow · « **Reply #10 on:** May 03, 2009, 09:43:27 AM »

You will not even begin to affect them..if you don't try.

http://www.scopeny.org/

kitchawan kid · « **Reply #11 on:** May 03, 2009, 09:54:34 AM »

Just got through e-mailing our new senator about her new stand on gun control,Iam sure she will say she supports the 2nd. admendment,but.

bubba · « **Reply #12 on:** May 03, 2009, 10:00:32 AM »

So did I

jr 1968 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 03, 2009, 02:50:51 PM »

Do you guy's think it would do any good if we called other senators besides the one in are own district?

jr 1968

Mikey · « **Reply #14 on:** May 03, 2009, 03:24:12 PM »

I would think the NRA-ILA might take up the court challenge if asked and for this I would go to my local NRA rep. You can probably find them from the NRA website or go directly to the NRA.

But, it isn't DEC. It is the government in Albany, or Silvertown, whichever you prefer. It is new york city telling the rest of the state how it is going to live and how it will be governed by that city. new york state is literally under a 1 party system. It is almost the mirror image of the federal government now that specter and franken have been confirmed in that there is no allowance for filibuster. We here in upstate no longer have a voice. We are governed by politicians who funnel our tax money to new york city. We are taxed without adequate representation. The city brags it puts up 20% of the state's budget, yet it sucks down 60% of upstate's resources. It is inequitable. new york city made laws should not be applied to upstate.

Heck, we can sell all our locally grown produce upstate and starve the city out but in truth I firmly believe a armed revolution will be the only answer. A organized militia under force or arms would be necessary to remove the entrenched government in Albany. The revolution would need to establish a interim government, suspend and then disband the Legislature and Senate pending new elections, re-establish the state's southern boundary at the southern Westchester County line and either turn new york city (the 5 boroughs) into a 'free port' to be under federal authority or suspend its charter and petition Congress to establish the city as another special district also under federal control. Failing Congressional approval I believe the best future for upstate would be to suspend the city's charter (as a viable fiscal entity in nys) and leave the city as a 'free-port' with self-governing authority or leave it as a 'free-port' under state fiscal management and put nyc money back into upstate economic development. jmtcw.

ironglow · « **Reply #15 on:** May 03, 2009, 05:10:37 PM »

Perhaps if a lot of new militias started springing up, they might take note. The militias would and should not be hostile, but just peaceful meetings discussing ways to bring back constitutional sense..
They will likely be infiltrated by the NY-KBG..but just the alert formation of many groups may jar some sense into their heads. The governor has already won himself a very low respect/approval rating..he has to go and we can help send him..

jr 1968 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 04, 2009, 11:23:00 AM »

Update Guy's
Just spent the last hour and half calling senators offices around the state , except n.y. city and only had
a couple that in the up state area that want gun control. the rest are for the 2 nd ammendmant.

Hopefuully it helps!!!

jr 1968

kitchawan kid · « **Reply #17 on:** May 04, 2009, 11:30:06 AM »

There may be some hope yet.

FLNT4EVR · « **Reply #18 on:** May 07, 2009, 12:52:20 AM »

I to am a NY hunter safety instructor,but the simple truth is, it takes cash to put up a fight against the politians. Money talks and BS walks. We as responsible gun owners, must support groups that are fighting for our right to bear arms.The NRA,GOA,JFPO,on the national level,and the NYSRPO ,and SCOPE on the state level. The sportsmens club I belong to has a dedicated fund for the protection of the second ammendment. It can be used to support those organizations ,and politicians ,who are in favor of our second ammendment rights. We raise money for the fund by having inhouse raffels, 50-50 drawings , donations by members, , and by having one of those change jars like you see in the convience stores , on the counter where members buy refreshments,that they can throw their loose change in. We,as gun owners,have to get serious about protecting the 2nd ammendment,or it will be lost in the very near future. Look for ways your club or organization can raise money in support of it's defense.And use the power of the members of your group to VOTE for people who support us.

kitchawan kid · « **Reply #19 on:** May 07, 2009, 01:36:45 AM »

Right on with that,My club does that and has junior shooting one day a week and permit classes once a month.We have to do all we can here just to be able to own a firearm.

Jack Magnum · « **Reply #20 on:** May 07, 2009, 04:30:59 PM »

Quote from: jr 1968 on May 04, 2009, 11:23:00 AM

Update Guy's
Just spent the last hour and half calling senators offices around the state , except n.y. city and only had
a couple that in the up state area that want gun control. the rest are for the 2 nd ammendmant.

Hopefuully it helps!!!

jr 1968

What procedure did you use to contact the senators ? Did you actually get a chance to talk to them in a telephone conversation ? Did you talk with Schummer ?

ironglow · « **Reply #21 on:** May 09, 2009, 10:30:42 PM »

Last night I attended a dinner at my local fire department. Our state senator, who is a personal friend was there also. She chose to sit across the table from my wife and I, which she often does when in our area for a dinner. I offered her my bulky, already prepared letter saying, "its rather bulky.perhaps I should mail it" but she insisted she would take it then. I knew I would need not convince Cathy, since have known her for years and know her stance is 100% for the 2nd amendment. She was raised on her parent's farm where her dad & brothers still hunt..she used to hunt and she still shoots trap today. My letter after the formal greeting, consisted chiefly of ammo she could use against the big city rubberheads up in Albany.
She confessed to me during the dinner that she "hopes" to preserve all our 2nd amendment rights..but she is very concerned this time, since the last election tilted the power base so much. She is much more a "principles" person than a "party" person..

THANKS TO ALL THOSE WHO VOTED FOR THE "GUN GRABBER" PARTY !

I even offered her a reply she could use for the politicians who are complaining against the "tea parties" which is, " If you are a real American who loves America and our Constitution, you have no need to fear the tea parties !" ...I know she doesn't, because she is all for them.
Our senator is a svelte, attractive blonde...but forget the "dumb blonde jokes", people who know her, know better !!

This morning as promised, before church I will e-mail her office some near official copies as I can find, showing the actions taken by Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Montana..may help her get through those thick, urban heads in Albany.
Here's an introduction to Cathy:

http://senatorcathyyoung.com/57/default.aspx

rebAL · « **Reply #22 on:** May 10, 2009, 06:17:56 AM »

What we need is something resembling the national Tea-parties that concentrated on tax issues. Something like "Re-remembering the Alamo" or Lexington/Concord or "The shot heard round the world" This needs to be bigger than what we can do in NY but should be well attended to by NY'ers. Perhaps if all gun owners could load up all around the USA with a 21 gun shot salute or something like that.

bubba · « **Reply #23 on:** May 10, 2009, 06:46:35 AM »

great idea ReBAL. The only oroblem is getting some media coverage. Without th ecoverage, it will die out quick as no one will know what is going on with it. As I see not only do we have to fight the politicians, but also the media who are on the anti side. If you were to have a get together like that and there was media coverage, it would not be favorable, and would probablly make us look worse. I started simply by writing letters to the editor of local news papers and post on blogs on the net. The letter simply states some history of gun rights and where we are going and how dangerous it is and inviting anyone who has more interest to contact me.

rebAL · « **Reply #24 on:** May 10, 2009, 08:15:11 AM »

I'll bet Shawn Hanidy, Michael Savage, Rush, etc. could help with that. If we could have a specific time and date (7/4 @ 12:00) for example & have various venues round the country where discharge of a firearm would be legal we could all make a lot of noise and show the politicians and the rest of society just how strong & serious we all are. We could add to the shooting with speeches going back to our declaration of independence quoting several of our for-fathers. I bet Ted Nugent might be interested in heading somethng up for us.

bubba · « **Reply #25 on:** May 10, 2009, 10:03:03 AM »

now that is good. I think that having a group of young and old people alike being taught firearm safety would go a long ways too as well as explaining to them what our forefathers did for us and explain the bill of rights and show them the proper way to handle and safely shoot firearms. Glenn Beck is a gun toter and I bet would love to see a cause like this get off the ground too. If enough ppl see that nyers are serious they will jump in.

rebAL · « **Reply #26 on:** May 10, 2009, 10:14:44 AM »

I'll work on getting an e-mail list and sending this idea on. If anyone has specific e-mail addresses they can post it here or PM me.

Mikey · « **Reply #27 on:** May 11, 2009, 02:32:19 AM »

I'm sending a e-mail to State Senator Hugh Farley at farley@senate.state.ny.us and asking him not to vote for a whole list of assembly and senate bills on the anti-gun list.

mauser98us · « **Reply #28 on:** May 11, 2009, 12:55:03 PM »

I think you missed the boat on this one

rebAL · « **Reply #29 on:** May 11, 2009, 04:08:17 PM »

Quote from: Mikey on May 11, 2009, 02:32:19 AM

I'm sending a e-mail to State Senator Hugh Farley at farley@senate.state.ny.us and asking him not to vote for a whole list of assembly and senate bills on the anti-gun list.

I did that & got no response to date.