Author Topic: Arlen Specter switches to liberal gun-grabbers...... (Read 2408 times)

ironglow · « **Reply #30 on:** May 03, 2009, 09:25:53 AM »

  rak55;
  I see you are struggling with what many of us have settled in our minds long ago;


   1) If I vote for the guy that "DOES THE MOST FOR THE PEOPLE"..I'm being bought off with a "mess of pottage".

   2) If I vote for the guy that "DOES THE MOST FOR ME"..I am the above, plus greedy & self-centered.

   Thus;

   A) We really should vote for the guy that seeks fulfilment of Constitutional principles..even if it hurts us personally.

   B) We should never choose comfort, safety & a "buy off"..over freedom. To do so is to spit in the eye of every veteran since 1776.

  I see you're new here, but that is where a goodly percentage of posters here stand..just a "heads up" for you...

rak55 · « **Reply #31 on:** May 03, 2009, 09:33:47 AM »

sorry but as I stated earlier specter has helped many vets here over the years and your bull won't change that. my mind is already made.

kinslayer1965 · « **Reply #32 on:** May 03, 2009, 09:41:34 AM »

ironglow,

Great post.

CR

kinslayer1965 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 03, 2009, 10:55:28 AM »

TM7,

You are correct. I did make it personal and it was not called for. My apologies for what, after rereading it, even to me seems like a personal attack.

PM sent.

CR

Oldshooter · « **Reply #34 on:** May 03, 2009, 05:08:04 PM »

Edited cause I replied in a manner that is not becoming!

7, if you live in a glass house do not throw stones!

Heather · « **Reply #35 on:** May 04, 2009, 07:02:32 AM »

Quote from: Oldshooter on May 03, 2009, 05:08:04 PM

Edited cause I replied in a manner that is not becoming!

7, if you live in a glass house do not throw stones!

and PLEASE WEAR CLOTHES AT ALL TIMES!

Heather

Oldshooter · « **Reply #36 on:** May 04, 2009, 07:04:09 AM »

billy_56081 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 04, 2009, 08:29:11 AM »

This is just the same as a queer coming out of the closet.

JPShelton · « **Reply #38 on:** May 05, 2009, 01:11:21 AM »

Quote from: rak55 on May 03, 2009, 08:53:28 AM

I'm registered democrat and I vote with my head for whoever is gonna do their best for me,

.....And therein lies the problem. One could make a compelling argument for the idea that a decision that should be based on the collective good is cheapened when based on purely selfish motives.

It is ironic that liberals, who prattle on about "selfless sacracfice for the common good" can't even get that right. They can't get it right because on the electorate level, they are selfish, self-serving spoiled brats who believe they're entiled to what someone else has. In their blind determination to satisfy selfish motives with tangible things, they are willing to sacrafice the intangible things that they don't fully understand or fully take advantage of, like liberty and opportunity and self determination.

On the canditate level, those liberal elites who believe that the people cannot think and act for themselves and who also belive that they are entitled to all of the political power they can usurp, by whatever means necessary, are equally selfish and self-serving. Often coming from backgrounds of privilage and wealth, "things" don't fill their selfish voids nearly as well as political power does. So the selfish prey on the selfish. Lovers of liberty, who believe in the Constitution, and even those who don't, wind up paying the ultimate price for this selfishness.

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news flash guys nobody gives a crap about the big picture if there really is a big picture to see since none of us are priviledged.

Au, contrare..... Some of us do care very deeply about the "big picture." In fact, we care so deeply about it that we swore oaths to defend it from all enemies, foriegn AND domestic. That "big picture" of which I speak is the freedom to exercise "certain inailiable rights" in a free society, and to pursue excellence without hinderence from a govenrment that seeks to gather power unto itself at every turn.

Further, I would argue that we are all equally "priviledged" as long as we still remain in a free society where free men are free to pursue happiness freely.

Sadly, as long as we have an electorate which puts "me" in front of "us," those days seem to be numbered.

I don't want my government representative to "get me something." I want government to get the he11 out of my way so that I can apply my ambition to the realization of my dreams.

-JP

Oldshooter · « **Reply #39 on:** May 05, 2009, 01:27:01 AM »

JP, you dont post often but when you do its a good one, at least that was for sure!

Thanks

magooch · « **Reply #40 on:** May 05, 2009, 03:03:41 AM »

JP, your words and thoughts are right arm.

rak55 · « **Reply #41 on:** May 05, 2009, 03:05:55 AM »

don't know what country your from JP but you have no rights here in the USA don't you realize that ? you and the others like oldshooter should step back and take a good look and you might actually see part of the picture, for all the good it'll do ya.

boondocker · « **Reply #42 on:** May 05, 2009, 05:07:02 AM »

don't know what country your from JP but you have no rights here in the USA don't you realize that ? you and the others like oldshooter should step back and take a good look and you might actually see part of the picture, for all the good it'll do ya.

Oh we have rights, its just that blinded voters vote in the very liberal candidates that want to change our Constitution and erode our rights even more. These politicians even tell you how the Constitution is out of date and has to be changed. Anyone that votes liberal democrat is selling out the Constitution for socialism. These folks in charge now are just laying low and will take your rights away as soon as the opportunity arises. Anyone in my book that wants to spread the wealth to get votes is just a lousy socialist or commie take your pick. Specter is just a fence jumping opportunist that is self serving and if some good from it happens for his constituents, it was just a trickle down affect. I will not sell out my rights for a snake oil salesman that mixes the kool aid that some just suck down.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #43 on:** May 05, 2009, 07:06:33 AM »

oK LETS GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT,

They dont want to take your rights cause they are mean and wanna be the boss, They think that you can not think for yourself, they think you need them to do for you, they erode your liberty because they wanna do for you(rak55). A well known talk show commentator(whos name i cant remember now) on CNN the other day in a debate over conservative and liberal views said" who's going to speak for the masses" in defense of his position. These liberals think that they are the elite, that you need their help to be happy citizens! The founding fathers wanted government to fight wars and defend the country, thats all. The progressives want government to be a nanny state. By voting for this socialist in the last election he thinks "WE" want a sugar daddy.He thinks he has a mandate by the people to take their liberty! He said it! And folks like benedict Arlen are pawns in his chess game!

JPShelton · « **Reply #44 on:** May 05, 2009, 10:39:19 PM »

Quote from: rak55 on May 05, 2009, 03:05:55 AM

don't know what country your from JP

I am the product of a mixed marriage between a caucasian father and a Cherokee mother. So that makes me a citizen of two nations. I currently live in the Cherokee one that my maternal grandparents were born in. So now you know.

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.....but you have no rights here in the USA don't you realize that ?

I have no idea why the quoted poster claims that I have "no rights here in the USA," but I certainly don't believe this to be true. I don't believe that the quoted statement is factual because, like the framers of the U.S. Constitution, I believe that the "certain inailiable rights" mentioned in that document come not from government, but from "God" in Yonega language or "Unetlahna" in Tsalagi -which I believe to be the same supernatural supreme being, regardless of whether I identify Him in English or Cherokee. If I am not free to exercise these rights, it is not because I don't have them, but because a tyranical government is standing in the way of my freedom to exercise them. I still have them, regardless.

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....you and the others like oldshooter should step back and take a good look and you might actually see part of the picture, for all the good it'll do ya.

I think I see more of the "picture" than the quoted poster gives me credit for. At least I see enough of it while I am in the polls to consider "us" over "me" when I determine who to cast my vote for. The "picture" that I see isn't a very pretty one. It is a picture of idividuals willing to sell out their liberty and freedom as well as that of their neighbors and fellow citizens for purely selfish motivations. I would rather have the freedom and liberty to procure my own "gitaga" for the pot, rather than trade it for the false promise of a politician vowing to gaurantee that my pot will have a chicken in it. With that freedom and liberty, coupled with ambition, drive, and determination, I still might totally fail to procure my own gitaga for the pot. On the other hand, I might obtain a gitaga surplus, too. With a surplus of gitaga, I am free to share it with those who truly lack the means to obtain their own, and I am free to determine who those people are.

What I don't need is a government that attempts to define my morality for me by forcing me to share my chicken surplus against my will with those who are fully capable of procuring their own chicken, while simultaneously making it difficult for me to procure my own, let alone a surplus. A tyranical government does that. It tells me how to think. It tells me how much I need and when I have more than I need. It tells me what my excess is and who I have to share it with. It strives to make me dependent on it, rather than on my own drive, ambition, and inititive. Worst of all, it assumes that I am as selfish as those who seek to monopolize power within it, and it is doomed to failure because it is based upon that lie.

Oh, I understand the "picture" and have no trouble seeing it. I see it through the memories of my dead Cherokee ancestors, who understood the relationship between selfish greed and tyrany well.

-JP

boondocker · « **Reply #45 on:** May 06, 2009, 02:44:52 AM »

Quote from: rak55 on Yesterday at 08:05:55 AM
don't know what country your from JP

I am the product of a mixed marriage between a caucasian father and a Cherokee mother. So that makes me a citizen of two nations. I currently live in the Cherokee one that my maternal grandparents were born in. So now you know.

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.....but you have no rights here in the USA don't you realize that ?

I have no idea why the quoted poster claims that I have "no rights here in the USA," but I certainly don't believe this to be true. I don't believe that the quoted statement is factual because, like the framers of the U.S. Constitution, I believe that the "certain inailiable rights" mentioned in that document come not from government, but from "God" in Yonega language or "Unetlahna" in Tsalagi -which I believe to be the same supernatural supreme being, regardless of whether I identify Him in English or Cherokee. If I am not free to exercise these rights, it is not because I don't have them, but because a tyranical government is standing in the way of my freedom to exercise them. I still have them, regardless.

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....you and the others like oldshooter should step back and take a good look and you might actually see part of the picture, for all the good it'll do ya.

I think I see more of the "picture" than the quoted poster gives me credit for. At least I see enough of it while I am in the polls to consider "us" over "me" when I determine who to cast my vote for. The "picture" that I see isn't a very pretty one. It is a picture of idividuals willing to sell out their liberty and freedom as well as that of their neighbors and fellow citizens for purely selfish motivations. I would rather have the freedom and liberty to procure my own "gitaga" for the pot, rather than trade it for the false promise of a politician vowing to gaurantee that my pot will have a chicken in it. With that freedom and liberty, coupled with ambition, drive, and determination, I still might totally fail to procure my own gitaga for the pot. On the other hand, I might obtain a gitaga surplus, too. With a surplus of gitaga, I am free to share it with those who truly lack the means to obtain their own, and I am free to determine who those people are.

What I don't need is a government that attempts to define my morality for me by forcing me to share my chicken surplus against my will with those who are fully capable of procuring their own chicken, while simultaneously making it difficult for me to procure my own, let alone a surplus. A tyranical government does that. It tells me how to think. It tells me how much I need and when I have more than I need. It tells me what my excess is and who I have to share it with. It strives to make me dependent on it, rather than on my own drive, ambition, and inititive. Worst of all, it assumes that I am as selfish as those who seek to monopolize power within it, and it is doomed to failure because it is based upon that lie.

Oh, I understand the "picture" and have no trouble seeing it. I see it through the memories of my dead Cherokee ancestors, who understood the relationship between selfish greed and tyrany well.

-JP
Very well said JP

rak55 · « **Reply #46 on:** May 06, 2009, 03:19:36 AM »

what have you boys been smokin

?? wake up it's time to go make the donuts !!!!!!

boondocker · « **Reply #47 on:** May 06, 2009, 03:31:54 AM »

what have you boys been smokin Huh?? wake up it's time to go make the donuts !!!!!!

Yep your just what the Obamy crowd wants. Roll over Rover, sit ,bark and beg for your handouts. Obamy sure filled your water trough with the Kool-aid Rak. You are a fine picture of his New Socialist Order, maybe he will throw you and extra bone there RAK or let you lick his boots. Read the news today your messiah is following in Bushs steps and we dont hear you libs whinning about him, your drunk on his socialist flavered Kool-aid.

rak55 · « **Reply #48 on:** May 06, 2009, 04:02:39 AM »

I might be standing in the background just like Hillary and you would never know or I could be the neighbor lookin in your window. I know specter is my man and always has been. don't you guys have somethin better to do with the time you have left.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #49 on:** May 06, 2009, 12:48:52 PM »

Quote from: rak55 on May 03, 2009, 08:53:28 AM

politicians can't help it, it's their mentality !!!!! I'm registered democrat and I vote with my head for whoever is gonna do their best for me, news flash guys nobody gives a crap about the big picture if there really is a big picture to see since none of us are priviledged.

A LiberalGunGrabbinBabyKiller voting with their head? I think the mods need to move this thread to humor or off topic. Anyone who votes for the LiberalGunGrabbinBabyKiller party must be stupid enough to actually think that they are smart.

rak55 · « **Reply #50 on:** May 06, 2009, 12:58:04 PM »

smart I like, smart ass I don't.

CannonKrazy · « **Reply #51 on:** May 06, 2009, 04:48:26 PM »

Quote from: Heather on May 04, 2009, 07:02:32 AM

Quote from: Oldshooter on May 03, 2009, 05:08:04 PM
Edited cause I replied in a manner that is not becoming!

7, if you live in a glass house do not throw stones!

and PLEASE WEAR CLOTHES AT ALL TIMES!

Heather

And "DANG" sure don't bend over in the shower to pick up the soap.

gypsyman · « **Reply #52 on:** May 07, 2009, 04:59:44 AM »

RAK55, I know what I'm doing with what time I have left.Loading more ammo and stashing more food. gypsyman

torpedoman · « **Reply #53 on:** May 07, 2009, 12:35:06 PM »

SWITCHED AND STRIPPED , harry thanked him by stripping him of his senority. remember what granny said "when you lie down with dogs, you get up with fkeas."