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Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading -- Even BB guns
« on: May 02, 2009, 05:03:43 AM »
  Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading
-- Even BB guns could be on the chopping block

Tuesday, April 21, 2009

Remember CANDIDATE Barack Obama?  The guy who “wasn’t going to take
 
away our guns”?

Well, guess what?

Less than 100 days into his administration, he’s never met a gun he
didn’t hate.

A week ago, Obama went to Mexico, whined about the United States, and
bemoaned (before the whole world) the fact that he didn’t have the
political power to take away our semi-automatics.  Nevertheless, that
didn’t keep him from pushing additional restrictions on American gun
owners.

It’s called the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit
Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives,
and Other Related Materials.  To be sure, this imponderable title
masks a really nasty piece of work.

First of all, when the treaty purports to ban the “illicit”
manufacture of firearms, what does that mean?

1. “Illicit manufacturing” of firearms is defined as “assembly of
 
firearms [or] ammunition ... without a license....”

Hence, reloading ammunition -- or putting together a lawful firearm
from a kit -- is clearly “illicit manufacturing.”

Modifying a firearm in any way would surely be “illicit
manufacturing.”  And, while it would be a stretch, assembling a
firearm after cleaning it could, in any plain reading of the words,
come within the screwy definition of “illicit manufacturing.”

2. “Firearm” has a similarly questionable definition.

“[A]ny other weapon” is a “firearm,” according to the treaty --
 and
the term “weapon” is nowhere defined.

So, is a BB gun a “firearm”?  Probably.

A toy gun?  Possibly.

A pistol grip or firing pin?  Probably.  And who knows what else.

If these provisions (and others) become the law of the land, the Obama
administration could have a heyday in enforcing them.  Consider some
of the other provisions in the treaty:

* Banning reloading. In Article IV of the treaty, countries commit to
adopting “necessary legislative or other measures” to criminalize
illicit manufacturing and trafficking in firearms.

Remember that “illicit manufacturing” includes reloading and
 modifying
or assembling a firearm in any way.  This would mean that the Obama
administration could promulgate regulations banning reloading on the
basis of this treaty -- just as it is currently circumventing Congress
to write legislation taxing greenhouse gases.

* Banning gun clubs. Article IV goes on to state that the criminalized
acts should include “association or conspiracy” in connection with
said offenses -- which is arguably a term broad enough to allow, by
regulation, the criminalization of entire pro-gun organizations or gun
clubs, based on the facilities which they provide their membership.

* Extraditing US gun dealers. Article V requires each party to “adopt
 
such measures as may be necessary to establish its jurisdiction over
the offenses it has established in accordance with this Convention”
under a variety of circumstances.

We know that Mexico is blaming U.S. gun dealers for the fact that its
streets are flowing with blood.  And we know it is possible for Mexico
to define offenses “committed in its territory” in a very broad
 way.
And we know that we have an extradition obligation under Article XIX
of the proposed treaty.  So we know that Mexico could try to use the
treaty to demand to extradition of American gun dealers.

Under Article XXIX, if Mexico demands the extradition of a lawful
American gun dealer, the U.S. would be required to resolve the dispute
through “other means of peaceful settlement.”

Does anyone want to risk twenty years in a sweltering Mexican jail on
the proposition that the Obama administration would apply this
provision in a pro-gun manner?

* Microstamping. Article VI requires “appropriate markings” on
firearms.  And, it is not inconceivable that this provision could be
used to require microstamping of firearms and/or ammunition -- a
requirement which is clearly intended to impose specifications which
are not technologically possible or which are possible only at a
prohibitively expensive cost.

* Gun registration. Article XI requires the maintenance of any
records, for a “reasonable time,” that the government determines to
 be
necessary to trace firearms.  This provision would almost certainly
repeal portions of McClure-Volkmer and could arguably be used to
require a national registry or database.

ACTION: Write your Senators and urge them to oppose the Inter-American
Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in
Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials.

Please use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center to send your
Senators the pre-written e-mail message below.

----- Pre-written letter -----

Dear Senator:

I am urging you, in the strongest terms, to oppose the Inter-American
Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in
Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials.

This anti-gun treaty was written by international bureaucrats who are
either stupid or virulently anti-gun -- or both.

This treaty could very well ban the ability to reload ammunition, to
put new stocks on rifles lawfully owned by American citizens, and,
possibly, even ban BB guns!

There are too many problems with this treaty to mention them all in
this letter.  The rest can be read on the website of Gun Owners of
America at:

http://www.gunowners.org/fs0901.htm

Please do not tell me the treaty has not yet been abused in this way
by the bevy of Third World countries which have signed it.  We do not
expect the real ramifications of the treaty to become clear until the
big prize -- the U.S. -- has stepped into the trap.

For all of these reasons, I must insist that you oppose ratification
of the treaty.

Sincerely,

-------------------------------------------------

Ken
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Re: Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading -- Even BB guns
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2009, 05:58:12 AM »
This just makes me sick to my stomach. >:( Dale
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Re: Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading -- Even BB guns
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2009, 06:01:28 AM »
remember him at election time is all I'll say.

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Re: Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading -- Even BB guns
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2009, 06:21:34 AM »
too late by then,the damage will be done.

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Re: Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading -- Even BB guns
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2009, 06:31:27 AM »
What we've got to do is just step out from under the Federal Government and tell them what they decide does not apply to us.  We are supposed to be a Union of Soverign States.  We need to tell Washington to take a hike, and do what's needed for our own individual States.  NOW.

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Re: Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading -- Even BB guns
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2009, 07:52:08 AM »
remember him at election time is all I'll say.

There is ZERO comfort in that.
1. AS mauser98us said, the damage is done
2. Nearly impossible to ge a right back once it is taken
3. The comonent industry would not be able to survive, hence the whole industry would have to be built back.
4. Factory ammo would the become higher priced than now, MUCH higher
5. Factory ammo would get even more scarce & be outlawed soon after.

Like Pete said, let's get busy.
You will not make peace with the Bluecoats, you are free to go.

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Re: Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading -- Even BB guns
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2009, 08:22:01 AM »
I'm making a Post about this but for this Post He is doing more than reloading to sweeten the Mexico Problem
he Trying to make us Register OUR guns
This is a Video sorry I can't find it written
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/05/01/ldt.tucker.gun.rights.cnn?iref=24hours

He said it is a Treaty Agrrement and Bill Klinton ( the Slob) signed it when he was in office with Monica

Guys this Liar in the white house is really tearing up our country
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Re: Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading -- Even BB guns
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2009, 02:58:19 PM »
These are very scary times and our rights are what is on the line.  It will take good men and women standing up for what is right to save our country from ourselves.  Remember actions speak louder than words.

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Re: Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading -- Even BB guns
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2009, 04:47:00 PM »
How many of you guys that are sounding off about our government in washington are NRA members? How about uping your membership to a life membership.

My ancestors tried the states rights route in 1860. Didn't work out too well for us. Get real folks.

The best chance we have is the NRA. Put your money where your mouth is, I did. As soon as Obama was elected I uped my membership from annunal to a lifetime membership. If your not a member in the Nra----Join now. WE can't afford not to. And if possible by a membership for a friend that really can't aford it but wants to be a member.

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Re: Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading -- Even BB guns
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2009, 03:06:46 AM »
Please spread the word to everyone you know,   send letters,  make the letter your own, use the form letter as a start. 

Call your reps.   

I personally think emails are ignored!

As you already know "primers" and "powder" are drying up fast,

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Re: Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading -- Even BB guns
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2009, 03:15:10 AM »
Anyone waiting for or hoping the NRA is gonna be a savior of our rights is barking up the wrong tree. They are in bed with the politicos and always in the end seem to agree it's OK and we'll live with whatever it is they want to toss our way.

The day is coming and soon when US Citizens have to decide to roll over and play dead and live under conditions as bad as it ever was in Russia or is in China today. I've been telling ya this now for at least five or more years on these forums and it seems that time is just about upon us. If ya don't want that then you're gonna hafta stand and fight and likely die to preserve freedom.


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Re: Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading -- Even BB guns
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2009, 08:08:58 AM »
Well, we all have opinions! An't America great........ ;D Regards

And Bill I think you and I are both to old to go to war. We can't hardly walk to the mailbox ;D
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Re: Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading -- Even BB guns
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2009, 09:37:05 AM »
You won't have to go, it will come to you!
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Re: Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading -- Even BB guns
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2009, 10:06:01 AM »
Well said Bill!    And thank you for bring patient with me.

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Re: Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading -- Even BB guns
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2009, 10:21:38 AM »
 ;) I think we all agree Obummer is a disaster, but to me he is a plant in our political system to destroy the country. That said, has anyone heard of any group looking into his legal right to be president???? to me it should be required for HIM TO PROVE he is an natural born American.  >:(  The lying liberal press had sure side stepped this issue. Of course they put the bum in office. ???  We are required to have Passports and proof of our birth place, surely we can require it of this character. >:(

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Re: Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading -- Even BB guns
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2009, 02:34:22 PM »
OK Beerbelly, If I don't half to walk far(my legs cramp up from bad circulation) then I'll play. Maybe I can just shoot out the winder.  ::)

Regards,
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