Author Topic: Would you fight and die for your gun rights? (Read 12270 times)

DalesCarpentry · « **on:** May 03, 2009, 03:43:56 AM »

If they were to pass a law that outlawed your guns and they were coming to get them. Would you fight and die for your gun rights? With this thing they are trying to pass it would not surprise me if it comes down to that now.

Dale

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #1 on:** May 03, 2009, 03:53:00 AM »

I voted not sure.

Until it actually happened I can't honestly say what I would do.

I would like to think I would take a stand but I have two young kids to think about.

dw06 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 03, 2009, 03:59:13 AM »

I voted yes. I'll never waver for my right to bear arms.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #3 on:** May 03, 2009, 04:03:31 AM »

Quote from: GRIMJIM on May 03, 2009, 03:53:00 AM

I voted not sure.

Until it actually happened I can't honestly say what I would do.

I would like to think I would take a stand but I have two young kids to think about.

That is about the way I feel about it. I am not a wuss or anything like that I have been in plenty of fights through out my life. I guess I would cross that bridge when I get to it. Dale

bubba · « **Reply #4 on:** May 03, 2009, 04:04:11 AM »

Like Grimjim I voted unsure. Although I totally support the second amendment, and I own an arsenal, I do not see what would be accomplished by me shooting at leo's out my window. I have others in my home who do not need to be hurt by me tryng to prove a point. On the other hand, if the law gets passed, I am inviting a leo to my home to report a break in and all my guns stolen. Then they will have a hard time finding them and if they do, it will look like they were stashed after a robbery. Most of my guns have more sentimental value than anything else, so tey will stay close to me one way or the other. But getting shot by myself trying to stave off an attack so to speak is futile. That simply plays into what they want as an image of what a gun owner as a violent gun toter who will kill innocent people for the fun of it. The country elected the fools who are enacting the laws and the best way to end this is to rid ourselves of the fools by voting them out.

DDZ · « **Reply #5 on:** May 03, 2009, 04:20:12 AM »

I voted yes. For one, I would not let them in my home. If it comes down to a fight then so be it. I figure if you hand over your arms to government, then you might as well hand them everything else because they will eventually take it. What is life worth if you are not free? My sons are grown, and are no longer dependent on me. On the other hand my wife of 32 years is very dependent on me. She suffered a brain injury a couple of years ago and is dependant on me for everything. I know in my heart that she would want me to fight. Handing over your arms is not just about loseing your guns for hunting and shooting. Life would not go on as we know it.

Please read your history books people, and learn what happens to a nation when thier arms are taken from them, by a government that says they are doing it for thier safety.

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone that approaches that jewel, unfortunately nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force you are ruined. Richard Henery Lee

kinslayer1965 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 03, 2009, 04:30:59 AM »

Questor · « **Reply #7 on:** May 03, 2009, 04:57:18 AM »

I'm the guy who voted no. Why? Because I know how these things go down and there's little you can do to resist openly. It's just a quick trip to a prison or a grave. It's one thing to fight for a country that defends peoples rights, but fighting against a country that is taking people's rights away is futile.

Sorry for being such a yellow livered coward, but that's the way I see it. I'd rather live a long life under some oppression that to become a martyr.

It is important to note that when peoples rights are gone officially, they continue to exist in a black market sort of way. For example, taxes in Britain are ludicrous. Now virtually everyone is a tax cheat. In France firearm confiscation meant that firearms simply disappeared in ways that they were later recoverable.

Chilachuck · « **Reply #8 on:** May 03, 2009, 05:00:53 AM »

You left off a choice:

"Let the other guy die for his beliefs."

rockbilly · « **Reply #9 on:** May 03, 2009, 05:03:18 AM »

We don't really need guns, afterall won't NATO protect us?

Dale, that would be a hard choice to make, one that would be a last minute desicision.

Heather · « **Reply #10 on:** May 03, 2009, 05:09:02 AM »

In the famous last words of Nathan Hale ( I think) "Give me liberty or give me death" If we aren't willing to fight and die for them then we are leaving that duty to our children. I for one want to leave my children safe.

Heather

CannonKrazy · « **Reply #11 on:** May 03, 2009, 05:12:49 AM »

Think of it this way. If you don't stand up and fight for your gun rights. They "WILL" be taken. Now there is nothing standing between you and the government. The government is free to take anything they want from you, free to tax you anyway they choose and free to treat you as they wish. If you don't stand up now and fight for you rights there may not be a chance later. Are you going to sit in your homes and coward behind the couch and leave this mess to our kids. Wake up people.

DDZ · « **Reply #12 on:** May 03, 2009, 05:19:45 AM »

I bet the guys that spilt thier blood and died for your right to own guns, and sit here and type on your computer and say what ever you want, would just love to hear some of us say, "here take my guns if you want."

bubba · « **Reply #13 on:** May 03, 2009, 07:37:26 AM »

what choices

1 give up your guns

2 get killed have your guns taken away. You get your name in the paper saying he died defending his guns, however he is still dead and the guns are gone either way. One guy in his house is not going to stop a group of military guys who want in under order to get your guns. Now maybe if you had all your buddies over to help you, it may last 10 minutes longer then you are dead. Reality sucks and you can call me a coward all you please but a dead hero isnt much of a choice.

handi243 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 03, 2009, 08:13:39 AM »

Most of mine feel overboard in a fishing trip

i don't have but a few ''in'' the house. Sometimes it better to fight with ones mine than force. We know we are not going to be able to "beat" the boys in the full gear kicking in your door at 3 in the morning to take your guns. The biggest thing is them knowing what kind and how much you have. The only real way to get that info is from the great little yellow sheets we fillout each time we buy a gun. To get that info they will have to go to the local gun stores and get them. People can talk all they would like i still think it will be ammo first you can't drive a car with no gas.

Dee · « **Reply #15 on:** May 03, 2009, 08:21:13 AM »

It seems odd, and confusing to hear someone say, that they FULLY SUPPORT THE SECOND AMENDMENT, but aren't willing, or aren't sure if their willing, to actually fight, and possibly die for their 2nd Amendment rights.
How can one FULLY SUPPORT something if they aren't sure that if the thing they "say" they fully support comes under direct attack if they will actually fight? How could that possibly be?
About 35 years ago I stood in a room, and took an oath to defend ANYONE against harm from others, and in that oath was the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I was not bound by the Military, but took this oath as a Peace Officer. I, in the span of a twenty year career was called upon, numerous times, to lay it all on the line for folks I did not even know.
I was asked a couple of years ago, by a doctor conducting a complete phyical on me, how I received so many joint injuries, broken bones, and scars over the years. I told him, for twenty years I took other people's ass whippins for them. No I didn't loose the fights so to speak, but I certainly paid, and am paying the consequences for it.
So the question remains: Would I fight and die for my gun rights? I fought for 20 years, and on two occasions almost died for ALL OF YOUR RIGHTS collectively.
Perhaps because some have said they are WILLING to take the label of coward, and some say they are "unsure" is why the question even has to be asked.

Questor brought up an interesting thought when he stated that: It is one thing to fight for a country that defends peoples rights, but fighting against a country that is taking people's rights away is futile.

I wonder what Washington, Jefferson, Payne, Hancock, Revere, and the others would say to such a statement from an American? Isn't that precisely what they all fought against? A country that was taking their rights? Hmmmmmm. Wasn't each man whom fought, RISKING EVERYTHING?
I too have family that is dependent on me save God's will. I have a 77 year old mother, whom I know, will stand with her little revolver, behind me with my 64 year old wife, and will defend not just their freedom. But their dignity.
Family you say? My son's have already, as I have fought for your freedom, and will again.

DDZ, CannonKrazy, HEATHER! kinslayer1965, dw06. I will stand with YOU! I don't need to think about, I already have. The rest can watch.

Heather · « **Reply #16 on:** May 03, 2009, 08:37:08 AM »

I don't understand how you can say you will just hand them over guys. What is life without liberty? Why would you even want to live if someone could dictate when you eat, sleep, and even go to the bathroom. The only thing standing between the government controling our lives or not is our guns. Without them we might as well roll over and take it up the rear. Live free or die trying! Don't get me wrong I want to stick around to take care of my children for as long as possible, but I won't to live in a world where someone else has control over my life and the lives of my children. I may die a fools death, but as least I won't live a fools life! There are more of us than them. If we all stand up they can't shoot us all down at the same time especially if we are all shooting back!

Heather

Dee · « **Reply #17 on:** May 03, 2009, 08:42:34 AM »

Quote from: Heather on May 03, 2009, 08:37:08 AM

I don't understand how you can say you will just hand them over guys. What is life without liberty? Why would you even want to live if someone could dictate when you eat, sleep, and even go to the bathroom. The only thing standing between the government controling our lives or not is our guns. Without them we might as well roll over and take it up the rear. Live free or die trying! Don't get me wrong I want to stick around to take care of my children for as long as possible, but I won't to live in a world where someone else has control over my life and the lives of my children.

I may die a fools death, but as least I won't live a fools life!
Profound words indeed for one so young. Well said Heather. Evil triumphs when good men do nothing. It is not something one thinks about, it is what one just does. Freedom=Dignity. Does it not?

There are more of us than them. If we all stand up they can't shoot us all down at the same time especially if we are all shooting back!

Heather

ironglow · « **Reply #18 on:** May 03, 2009, 08:57:27 AM »

  I didn't even vote the poll, but this we all know; if we are not willing to fight for our Constitutional rights as was done from G. Washington, and Nathan Hale to today's vets returning home, we're telling them they have wasted their time/lives.
   I would hope that few gun owner's would HAVE to stand alone. We should be ready, and with the internet etc. we should be ready for mass "civil disobedience" as soon as forced seizures of guns is discovered. I would never suggest bringing death to our opposition (except in self-defense) but certain expensive things could happen to the orderly progress of a tyrannical govt. Things could happen to communications, infrastructure and whatever could retard or halt Big Brother's march toward dictatorship.
   With the millions of gun owners and the many millions who embrace the US Constitution, no man should have to face the evil alone. They didn't have to do it at Lexington and Concord, and we shouldn't have to do it now. Alone, they can take us of one by one, piecemeal and perhaps that is what they plan. Now is the time to start planning ..and hope we never need it.

  Perhaps it is a good time to read what our forefathers wrote when they decided to resist the tyrant of their time :

  We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

— John Hancock

bubba · « **Reply #19 on:** May 03, 2009, 09:00:27 AM »

Talk is cheap but when they kick in the door at 3 am and start taking them and you are outnumbered considerably, we will see. There is not a person on this forum I would not stand with to defend the rights we have. I am simply saying that by yourself and 10 guys kick in your door at 3 am, you dont stand a chance. Organize get ready for this but to say they wont get in my house and I will hold them off and win is simply foolish. Remember Waco umm they thought they could bunker down and win oops lots of innocent people got killed. Suppose while kicking in your door and the gunfire starts you or one of the intruders kills one of your family members and you survive and end up in jail. You choose to get a child killed who had nothing to do with any of it. How will you feel then with your heroic measures? If we cant organize and win we cant win. There is strength in numbers. Fools rush in where wisemen never go.

jimster · « **Reply #20 on:** May 03, 2009, 09:01:22 AM »

Well said Heather. If they can't disarm the criminals of the world, a couple hundred million gun owners would be no easy task.

Yes Heather....very well said. I want to be around for my kids/grandkids too....but maybe dieing for something big is giving their kids something better than my life.

I'm an older guy now...not as much to lose anymore...but Heather...you got sand! What you said makes people like me get water in their eyes.

Thanks for that.

Jim

jimster · « **Reply #21 on:** May 03, 2009, 09:04:04 AM »

Hey Bubba....

Lots of us are aware and also smart enough to not make our homes the Alamo...also smart enough to go offense and make it worth while.

They won't be coming into every home in America at the same time...kind of hard to do that with a couple hundred million homes...

Most will hear about it long before they get close...

DDZ · « **Reply #22 on:** May 03, 2009, 09:08:03 AM »

Well said Dee, and Heather. When this country was formed, it took people sticking together to fight against people trying to take thier rights. I figure for our rights to survive, it will take the same.

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953,

About 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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   In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million

Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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   Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total

  Of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were

  rounded up and exterminated.

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   China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million

   political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated

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   Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000

  Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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  Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000

Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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  Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one

million educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up

and exterminated

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  Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century

because of gun control: 56 million.

When we as a country have complacency and apathy, it seems easy to forget things like this.

Dee · « **Reply #23 on:** May 03, 2009, 09:12:43 AM »

Hey Bubba,
By all means, give them your guns. While their doing inventory on yours, and your grazing in the pasture, me and mine, will stand for what is right.
Someone whom is afraid of loss in a fight, will not usually fight anyway. There are consquences when defending one's dignity, just as there is when giving it up. It is easy to support the 2nd Ammendment, when one openly inserts the clause, UNLESS, they come after mine. If they do, I will lay down, and give them up. That is not support. That is the "cheap talk" you spoke of.
If the founding fathers were doing this again, you would not likely be invited to the meetings.

rak55 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 03, 2009, 09:13:16 AM »

anyone kicking my door in is libel to get shot first ask questions later. I have major problem identifying police and military in the middle of the night and anyone can say anything like it's the police open up. see what I mean ??

Tommyt · « **Reply #25 on:** May 03, 2009, 09:21:55 AM »

Count on Me dead but Grinin ..........about those who didn't get too me

I feel, Every Soldier in the US is doing just this ,in one way or another
MHO

I Posted before I read them all
SO edited to say

Nice Post's Dee, and Heather
I'll stand for or With you

Swampman · « **Reply #26 on:** May 03, 2009, 09:34:58 AM »

We are a nation of law abiding citizens & will remain so. Big talk is cheap. I get tired of hearing it. Many of our gun rights have already been taken away from us, and we did nothing. That's not going to change. You'll roll up like an old carpet. You already have.

Tommyt · « **Reply #27 on:** May 03, 2009, 09:37:43 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on May 03, 2009, 09:34:58 AM

We are a nation of law abiding citizens & will remain so. Big talk is cheap. I get tired of hearing it. Many of our gun rights have already been taken away from us, and we did nothing. That's not going to change. You'll roll up like an old carpet. You already have.

And YOU ? ? ?

Swampman · « **Reply #28 on:** May 03, 2009, 09:40:31 AM »

I have a wife. I made a vow before God and man to provide for her. I can't do that dead.

jimster · « **Reply #29 on:** May 03, 2009, 09:47:36 AM »

"I have a wife. I made a vow before God and man to provide for her. I can't do that dead"

Ain't blamin ya one bit brother....

But no reason to say everyone is just cheap talk if we are going to fight for ya....wish us luck instead. I have a son who is back from Iraq now and all in one piece (minus some of his hearing) and he will fight for our gun rights, he says so and I believe him...I have no choice but to stand beside him and others like him.

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Author Topic: Would you fight and die for your gun rights? (Read 12270 times)