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Would you fight and die for your gun rights?

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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2009, 10:01:28 AM »
 Its simply said like this ..... This Question ?  IS ABOUT YOUR KIDS !!!


  And so sooo much more , What would we all be if our great great grandfathers had worried themselves into submissivness over their young .. It was for their young that we are not loyalists to the crown , An alternate version of canada with the big brother cameras on every street and only a kitchen knife to call our friend in moment of dire need ...

  Really let that soak in  , It is for them that the need and will to fight has to be in us ...

  Being afraid for them is what we are supossed to be , but not subjects for fear of ..


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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2009, 10:02:18 AM »
Didn't Jefferson, Payne, Hancock, Washington, Revere and all those guys have wives? Didn't the take the same vows?
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #32 on: May 03, 2009, 10:07:09 AM »
Quote from: Swampman on May 03, 2009, 09:34:58 AM
We are a nation of law abiding citizens & will remain so.  Big talk is cheap.  I get tired of hearing it.  Many of our gun rights have already been taken away from us, and we did nothing.  That's not going to change.  You'll roll up like an old carpet.  You already have.

You are right many of our gun rights have been taken in the past. Currently every gun law on the books are being infringed upon. This is why "WE" as a group of law abiding citizens should stand up and speak out for our rights. Some of us here feel and believe that our rights are worth fighting for. Someone in each of our families has fought to protect us from corrupt government. If we just hand over our guns then we just spit in the faces of our ancestors.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2009, 10:08:06 AM »
Quote from: Default on May 03, 2009, 10:01:28 AM
Its simply said like this ..... This Question ?  IS ABOUT YOUR KIDS !!!


  And so sooo much more , What would we all be if our great great grandfathers had worried themselves into submissivness over their young .. It was for their young that we are not loyalists to the crown , An alternate version of canada with the big brother cameras on every street and only a kitchen knife to call our friend in moment of dire need ...

  Really let that soak in  , It is for them that the need and will to fight has to be in us ...

  Being afraid for them is what we are supossed to be , but not subjects for fear of ..


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While agreeing with you Default, it is beating a long since dead horse. Being alive, although subject to the NEW CROWN, is the lessor of two evils, with the second evil being death. Folks whom vote like this, and are willing to live like this. It is how we got to where we are. It is wasted breath. They will not fight. They choose to talk, and make excuses for not fighting, just as they do for voting the lessor. They have accepted less willingly, and profess their last living right. The right to complain.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2009, 10:08:32 AM »
Dee and others please feel free to make all the assumptions about me and my character you want to. I have never backed down from a fight at all.  and the truth is you have no clue about me at all.  Where in any of my posts did I say I would give up my guns?  In fact go back to my first post that said the second it became law, I would report all my guns stolen and hide them very well, so no one will have them but me.  As the question was asked, no one who is based in reality will hold off the people coming to the door by themselves.  If you think you can, you are sadly mistaken.  I also posted we need to organize to beat this.  Time to stop thinking with your emotions and find a way to beat this before it happens.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2009, 10:15:54 AM »
they don't need to collect the guns all they gotta do is wait for the ammo to run out.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2009, 10:22:34 AM »
Quote from: Swampman on May 03, 2009, 09:34:58 AM
We are a nation of law abiding citizens & will remain so.  Big talk is cheap.  I get tired of hearing it.  Many of our gun rights have already been taken away from us, and we did nothing.  That's not going to change.  You'll roll up like an old carpet.  You already have.

Boy, am I ever thankful for the men that fought and died for the rights we have, didn't have this view on life. I guess back then too, there were a few that just crawed in a hole and waited for the smoke to clear.

Lets see I still have all the guns I paid for.  I can still carry a gun when I go somewhere. I can still buy any gun I want.  Best of all I can still protect myself and my family from tyranny.  
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2009, 10:28:52 AM »
My kids are grown.  I hope they are smart enough to obey the law of the land.  I didn't raise them to be criminals or murders.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2009, 10:32:34 AM »
It pains me to say my wife would be killed if she was home when they came, I'm sure by that time I'd be out "communicating" or something if all this was going down.  My wife is not one to be controlled...she would die with a shotgun in her hands.  She must think like Heather, only older...they would have to kill her or they would be in danger.  

Not judging anyone from here Bubba.....I was just commenting on the fact you said my talk was cheap.  True...nothing heroic about me,  I'll be scared the whole time I'm fighting somehwere in the back of my head I'm sure of it.  
Can't hide my guns....doesn't make any sense to hide them, can't use them if they are hidden, same as giving them up in my view, but that's just me.

If only 1 million Americans fight back,  and kill one of them on each occasion...that's 1 million of THEM dead....how big a force do you think they would have anyways?  This is doable....we have some impressive numbers.  Let's all hope not, but I've made up my mind which side I'm on and what I'm willing to give up.
  


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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #39 on: May 03, 2009, 10:35:05 AM »
Talk is cheap.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2009, 10:42:13 AM »
Quote from: Swampman on May 03, 2009, 10:28:52 AM
My kids are grown.  I hope they are smart enough to obey the law of the land.  I didn't raise them to be criminals or murders.

The second admendment is the law of the land!

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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2009, 10:46:24 AM »
Talk might indeed be cheap Bubba...we'll all see if that time comes.

But if this happens and we win...keep your guns hiden....would not be right for you to dig em up then would it? 

It's against the law to hide them too ya know.....did ya teach your kids that?
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2009, 10:48:44 AM »
umm JImster, you are confusing what I said with swampman.  And I also said the second the law was passed I would hide them.  I didn tsay I was gonna go hide them right now.  So yes I will break the law, but I never said I wouldnt.  The trick is to stop this before it comes to that not to wait until it does happen then barracade your house.  We are on the same side here, just taking different approaches.  But twist it as you need to. 
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #43 on: May 03, 2009, 10:53:33 AM »
Well, well, This is turning out to be mighty interesting! I'm wondering why some here think fighting the gun takers means blockading in your living room and waiting for them to come take 'em!

I'm fighting them everyday with every thing I say and do, here, and elsewhere! To sit and wait for them to come is for sure foolish! Get with the program! Make a plan do what you can to prepare.(I think most of us are already.

But if push comes to shove I will be there, me and mine! I will live free or die!  If it comes to that.

For now let me just say I have lived a very free and happy life and it is the least I can do to make sure that my children have the same chance. My Father and his fought so that I could remain free. It is the least I can do for my children. We have already let things go to the point that we have to discuss this now. Let us not let them down in the future by making excuses and taking the low road!


I'll stand and fight for my rights, with anyone willing to do the same! but I will be there none the less!

Swampy you make me sad! You should take that Remington avatar down and put up a crucifix, I would have more respect for you!
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #44 on: May 03, 2009, 10:59:03 AM »
My mistake Bubba...I did confuse you with Swampman...my appologies....!

let us all hope nothing like this happens while we are alive....





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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #45 on: May 03, 2009, 10:59:50 AM »
the question was would yo ufight if they came to your house to get your guns.  If you plan to fight them off when they come to get your guns what else can you do but barracade yourself in?  The inferred part of the questions is that the laws have canged and here they come to get them.  I agree totally again that we need ot do what we can now.  I simply state dmy plan if it gets to that.  I gues havuibg a plan other than a shootout is bad.  Too bad no one can see we are all on the same side here.  
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #46 on: May 03, 2009, 11:00:45 AM »
Yesterday I attended a memorial service for a young man with over 30 bullet holes in his body.  I'd known him since he was a toddler.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #47 on: May 03, 2009, 11:01:04 AM »
no problem Jimster I understand it is moving fast. 
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2009, 11:01:37 AM »




Quote from: Heather on May 03, 2009, 10:42:13 AM
Quote from: Swampman on May 03, 2009, 10:28:52 AM
My kids are grown.  I hope they are smart enough to obey the law of the land.  I didn't raise them to be criminals or murders.

The second admendment is the law of the land!

Heather

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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2009, 11:02:31 AM »
Quote from: Swampman on May 03, 2009, 11:00:45 AM
Yesterday I attended a memorial service for a young man with over 30 bullet holes in his body.  I'd known him since he was a toddler.

So because of this it is ok for the govt to take our guns?  If that is the case keep in mind that the gun didn't kill him, the person pulling the trigger 30+ times did!

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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2009, 11:04:47 AM »
It's not ok for the government to take anything.  Read about Waco & Ruby Ridge.  This isn't about right & wrong.  It's about your whole family being dead.  The government does what it wants to do.
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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2009, 11:06:58 AM »
Quote from: Swampman on May 03, 2009, 11:00:45 AM
Yesterday I attended a memorial service for a young man with over 30 bullet holes in his body.  I'd known him since he was a toddler.

Boy! Thirty bullet holes. That is certainly news worthy. Where did this happen, and what papers covered it? I'd like to read that article.
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« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2009, 11:09:05 AM »
Probalby self inflicted and  he is a bad shot   ;D
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« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2009, 11:10:05 AM »
Quote from: Swampman on May 03, 2009, 11:04:47 AM
It's not ok for the government to take anything.  Read about Waco & Ruby Ridge.  This isn't about right & wrong.  It's about your whole family being dead.  The government does what it wants to do.

In those instances it was one family or one group of people going against the govt.  Look at the revolution!  When good men and women ban together and stand up for what it right we can make a difference.  One family or one small group of people would be defenless against the govt no matter how many weapons they had.  Thats why it is so imporntant for it to not be just one family or a small group of people.  It is going to take all of us!  We as American citizens have to let them know we have had enough.  I may be overly optomistic, but I think when the time is here as it is now people will do the right thing.  If everyone thinks noone else is with them they may not stand.  Let us let them know that together WE do stand a chance.  I would rather have a chance, no matter how small, at freedom than to surrender to tyranny!

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Re: Would you fight and die for your gun rights?
« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2009, 11:11:28 AM »
God said for you to die you have gained I vote yes .
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« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2009, 11:16:05 AM »
Pretty much what I have beeen saying all along Heather.  We have to all stand together.  By the time they show up at my door, the fight is over.  This has to be fought long before it gets to that point. 
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« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2009, 11:18:51 AM »
So when are you going to get started?  Time's a wastin'
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« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2009, 11:20:51 AM »
Quote from: Swampman on May 03, 2009, 11:18:51 AM
So when are you going to get started?  Time's a wastin'

Swampy! What paper cover the kid whom had 30 bullet holes? I would like to read the article.
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« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2009, 11:23:47 AM »
He wont reply.  He makes foolish statekents with no way to back him up. I have made him look silly so many times, he put me on ignore. 
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« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2009, 11:28:16 AM »
Northwest Florida Daily News
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