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Offline Old Hunter

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Why no 23 caliber?
« on: May 06, 2009, 11:35:04 AM »
It seems to me that a cartridge with more power than a 223 but less recoil than a 243 could be quite useful. Could maybe shoot a 70-75 grain bullet. Has it ever been done? What are your thoughts on this?
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Re: Why no 23 caliber?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2009, 12:24:23 PM »
Do you work for Ruger or Hornady???

Seriously though, I don't think there is a big nitch there. But there are .22 cals that are more powerful than the .223 Rem and there are 6mm rounds that are lighter than the .243 Win. Easiest would be the 6x45mm (6mm-.223) which is the .223 Rem case can necked up to 6mm. Sounds like a useful little round from what I've read.
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Re: Why no 23 caliber?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2009, 12:51:46 PM »
For me a 22-250 is smack in the middle of a 223 and 243. If you want get a 22-250 barrel with a 1-8 or 1-9 twist(savage makes a rifle with a 1-9) and shoot 75gr bullets. I understand your talking about a totally different caliber but the difference between a 22 and 24 caliber isn't much. IMO the high-power 22 calibers will fill the role of a 23 caliber.   Dave 
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Re: Why no 23 caliber?
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2009, 12:59:38 PM »
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Re: Why no 23 caliber?
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2009, 01:12:51 PM »
Quote from: billy_56081 on May 06, 2009, 12:59:38 PM
There is!

 http://www.gunhausbullets.com/23-caliber-bulle23.html

Wow! - Never knew there was such a bullet!

So what cartridge shoots'em?
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Re: Why no 23 caliber?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2009, 01:14:14 PM »
I have no Idea what shoots 23 caliber bullets. I suppose a 23 caliber rifle, but who knows.
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Re: Why no 23 caliber?
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2009, 01:59:04 PM »
I never thought they would bring out a .204 either figuring that there was not that big of a difference between the .177 and the .224 bullet size to make a difference or justify a 5mm inbetween the 4.5 and the 5.56.  How popular the .204 Ruger is and how many guns are chambering it kind of proves me wrong.  Also the same for .277.  i never thought it would have been made when you have just a 7mm (.284) just a meer .007 difference, this is at least .01(5% larger tha .224) up and .009 down ( nad 3.37% smaller than 243).
So are they going to either neck up 22-250 or neck down 250 Savage to make the 23-250 
or to neck 308 / 243 to it and call it a 234, 235, or 238 Win?  Or 5.8 Rem mag?

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Re: Why no 23 caliber?
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2009, 02:22:41 PM »
 Look at all the calibers, 172,204, 224,243, 257. 264,284 on up,  they jump by .020. the one that fits the best is a 234 or a true 6mm, beside it rhiems, we like the number 4. Just think of all the shot out 224 barrels that could be recut for a .234. The 6mm pushes the recoil limit to see bulllit hits at distance, We also like  a high BC.say a 85gr vld type. Just think about all the gun riders would have a new cartridge to talk about, or the guy that hast to have the latest gun,The bench rest guys should jump on it also , a 234br. It would miss the .224 limit for deer, Just design a cartridge that would not fit in a 22-250 or a 243 gun but just neck it up or down and blow it out.--- Here's the latest hot seller WSM 234.    What do you think?    I wish I had a lot of money. :'(
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Re: Why no 23 caliber?
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2009, 07:14:29 PM »
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There is!

 http://www.gunhausbullets.com/23-caliber-bulle23.html

Where would you find a barrel for something like that?
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Re: Why no 23 caliber?
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2009, 07:40:27 PM »
.22 savage high power.  Hasn't been selling well.















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Re: Why no 23 caliber?
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2009, 01:08:10 AM »
The hi-power shoots .227-.228 bullets. Believe it or not it still has a following in Europe. I think Norma still makes ammo for it.    Dave
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Re: Why no 23 caliber?
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2009, 05:33:47 AM »
The .23 cal is pretty widly used by folks that live in States that have hunting regs that state (sic) centerfire caliber larger than .22 caliber. There are two companies that make the barrels and a handful of bullet makers out there. For cases, just about any .22CF case can be used and then some.
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Re: Why no 23 caliber?
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2009, 03:28:04 AM »
I think the original question is bested solved mathamatically.

For a long time there were cartridges of .224 caliber and cartridges of .172 caliber and nothing in between. That is a fairly large gap as the 22's have about 1.7 times the frontal area of the 17's. The 20 caliber cartridge filled in that gap.

What caliber has 1.7 times the frontal area of the 22's? It would be something slightly larger than the 7MM's which have 1.6 times the frontal area of the 22's. Between the 22's and the 7MM's there have been four calibers, the 6MM's, the 25's, the 6.5MM's, and the 270's.

The smaller gap between the 22's and the 7MM's has been filled in for a long time. I would say there is no need for a 23 caliber. - DON
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