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« on: May 07, 2009, 01:55:01 AM »
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Montana Governor Signs New Gun Law
Executive Summary – The USA state of Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law. I mean REVOLUTIONARY. The State of Montana has defied the federal government and their gun laws. This will prompt a showdown between the federal government and the State of Montana. The federal government fears citizens owning guns. They try to curtail what types of guns they can own. The gun control laws all have one common goal – confiscation of privately owned firearms.

Montana has gone beyond drawing a line in the sand. They have challenged the Federal Government. The fed now either takes them on and risks them saying the federal agents have no right to violate their state gun laws and arrest the federal agents that try to enforce the federal firearms acts. This will be a world-class event to watch. Montana could go to voting for secession from the union, which is really throwing the gauntlet in Obamas face. If the federal government does nothing they lose face. Gotta love it.

http://www.panamalaw.org/montana_governor_signs_new_gun_law.html


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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2009, 01:58:46 AM »
We do love it,lets hope more states follow yours.How come we don't hear about this on t.v.?
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2009, 03:17:20 AM »
The same thing is on the table in Tennessee, Texas, and Alaska.

Tennessee news story -->  http://www.wztv.com/newsroom/top_stories/wztv_vid_5694.shtml

Texas news story -->  http://www.star-telegram.com/legislature/story/1355073.html

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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2009, 04:14:09 AM »
 I wish VA would join that fight but with TIM KAINE at the wheel I don't see that happening! :-[  :-\


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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2009, 04:17:22 AM »
Were pushing for the same thing in MO...

I wish VA would join that fight but with TIM KAINE at the wheel I don't see that happening! :-[  :-\


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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2009, 04:21:25 AM »
Have done so and voted against him and will do the same the next time around.

TERM LIMITS should be law!!!


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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2009, 04:30:00 AM »
Just bitter people clinging to their guns.  Troops will be on the way.
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2009, 04:58:15 AM »
Don't forget their bibles too.

If they do send troops and people still don't get it; then they can't be helped.

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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2009, 06:09:02 AM »
Well Hell ,

 If all my neighbor states are , then maybe i need to start sending letters to my local reps here in Arkansas and get them on board....

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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2009, 06:37:47 AM »
Very interesting.  But I suggest not getting your legal advice from a, "Panamanian Law Firm", especially one with such bad writing skills.

Here's the text of the bill as it was signed:
http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm

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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2009, 06:40:05 AM »
I heard this on the radio this morning.  I was pulling up at my grandparents and thought I would share the story with my elderly democratic grandfather.  He was in disbelief.  "They can't do that they have to obey the law"  Rick from Rick and Bubba stated this morning that most people felt that the supreme court was the final end all to any discussion.  Problem is most people don't realize is that it is the PEOPLE that has the final say not any branch of government.


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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2009, 06:47:30 AM »
Dukkiller, good point whats your feeling on the subject ? Seems the Fed. Govt. Has expanded their power un checked for years with shall we say creative interpitation of the Consitution .
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2009, 06:55:54 AM »
Very interesting.  But I suggest not getting your legal advice from a, "Panamanian Law Firm", especially one with such bad writing skills.

Here's the text of the bill as it was signed:
http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm

Guess a good old American law firm wasn't good enough.
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2009, 06:57:53 AM »
Ya' know... I'm likin' that law.  Now... let's extrapolate that law to ANYTHING produced in a state that is used in that state.  Technically, if oil is drilled, refined, sold and burned in Oklahoma, then the federal government would have NO authority to tax that gasoline.  I'm likin' this more and more...  So a car built in Detroit would not be subject to regulation by the feds if it was only used in Michigan.  This law could be applied to many, many, many things....
I'm going to send a copy of this to my reps and ask them to support such a measure in Oklahoma.

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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2009, 07:12:13 AM »
Long Tom:  Sorry to hear you live in Virginia.  My wife's family all live there too.  They are the most anti-gun, anti-hunting, let's go hike through the wood and watch the predators they won't hurt anyone, bunch of people I have ever met.  And everyone I have met while visiting them are the same way.  So with a large group of people like that don't expect anything like this gun law to pass there.  Every time I visit I hear how they think Alaskans are ruining the environment, and slaughtering the wildlife.  Those poor wolves we murder would not hurt a fly, they just want to live in peace and harmony with the rest of the wildlife.

This bill was introduced before the Alaskan legislature this term, but got stranded in committee, and did not make it to the floor before the 90 day session ended.  One of our local legislators from Fairbanks is Shepparding this bill and trying to get it pushed through.

Many Fairbanks machine shops have expressed interest in manufacturing guns and accessories for instate use.

Many Alaskans say "Let them send troops, the Alaska Defense Force can turn the around at the Canadian border".  The problem is the troops are already here.  But Alaska is the only state I know of that has a Defense Force, that is not part of the National Guard, and can not be federalized.  They fall under the governor, and are commanded only by the Pit Bull with lip stick, Sara Palin.

I for one would like to manufacture suppressors.  I would love to have one on each of my Handis.  I am currently using a suppressed .308, and subsonic loads, to shoot Beavers in the park near my house.  It's great.
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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2009, 08:36:18 AM »
Sourdough , they must live in Northern Va. or in Tidewater I also live in Va. and don't have the troubles you mention . We are considered the arms supplier to the north east ( just ask the mayor of NY city ) . We are allowed full auto's , short bbl shotguns and other goodies . Now you can hike in the moutians but ya better be armed to keep the drug growers at bay in some areas . Next time you are down or go on the internet and do a serch of gun stores we are loaded , I can buy a gun at no less than 12 shops near my home . We have about a gun show ever 4-6  weeks in Va.
You sure you aren't talking West Va. ?
Did you realize the N.R.A. headquaters is here ? ( so is peta )
All kidding aside don't judge Va. by the Govoner and a few libs living inside the beltway . The gun culture is alive and healthy .
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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2009, 09:09:06 AM »


  Sounds like to me they're trying to flex their 10th amendment Rights.
 That's a good thing!
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2009, 09:49:25 AM »
Thanks SHOOTALL.

Sourdough I live about 85 miles from DC to the west at the top of the SHANDOAH VALLEY between the BLUE RIDGE and the ALLEGHANEY MOUNTAINS.
The valley is full of pro 2nd. amendment folks who don't stand for our government doing things the way they are right now.
The problem area is east of us which is the area around DC.
The population there is one on top of another and most work in DC.
The other problem is the trader of a governor we have right now.
We will do our best to rid ourselves of him when the next election come around!


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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2009, 09:56:12 AM »
Just a thought to add to these bills ... very few military servicemembers I've met would be in favor of taking away gun rights. In fact, most of the folks I see in the gun stores and at the ranges here in the people's republic of Hawaii are military. If you could somehow write that legislation to protect the rights of residents of the state who are on active duty serving outside the state under federal orders, that would be sweet. I know its probably a pipe dream, but I don't remember abdicating my state residency when I took an oath to defend the Constitution, the very document which granted Montana the right to pass their legislation.
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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2009, 02:07:44 PM »
Hopefully Pennsylvania will have this.
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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2009, 02:13:11 PM »
Hopefully Pennsylvania will have this.

I would like to see every State do it but PA, I don't see that happening. In the past elections the Libs running for office can drag the PA voters down a gravel road & if they can still crawl, they will vote for them. They can be accused of clinging to Bibles & guns, Senators can call them stupid Rednecks, whatever, it makes no difference. I have been watching in UTTER AMAZEMENT!!!!
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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2009, 02:15:51 PM »
So dukk being you are one of our resident lawyer how about you explain this law to us? If not you maybe Atlaw can.

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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2009, 02:19:14 PM »
Hopefully Pennsylvania will have this.

I would like to see every State do it but PA, I don't see that happening. In the past elections the Libs running for office can drag the PA voters down a gravel road & if they can still crawl, they will vote for them. They can be accused of clinging to Bibles & guns, Senators can call them stupid Rednecks, whatever, it makes no difference. I have been watching in UTTER AMAZEMENT!!!!

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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2009, 02:24:36 PM »
Well Mirage if we bump up the welfare here and MN and advertize in other states and countrys we can get even more LiberalGunGrabbingBabyKiller votes here.
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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2009, 02:29:58 PM »
You don't think we have enough?

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« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2009, 02:48:33 PM »
  I salute Texas, Montana, Tennesee and all others considering this move ! I have little hoppe for the "people's republik of NY"

  Even the new senator, who was pro second amendment her whole career, has done a Benedict Arnold..Proves again that most all politicians on federal level are self-serving crooks.
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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2009, 02:49:33 PM »
Well Mirage, I married a conservative and moved here here from Ohio, so I picked up one vote for the good guys.
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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2009, 07:34:40 PM »
Shootall, Longtom:  Yes my in-laws live in the tidewater area.  New Port News to be exact.  When I lived in DC the fellows I worked with were in shock when they found out I was a hunter.  They went so far as to report me to the DC police for having guns in my home.  The DC cops went so far as to call me and ask about my guns, and if I lived in the city.  I refused to answer their questions.  They finally found out I lived on Bolling AFB, and when they approched the Security Police about me the base informed them I was exempt from DC law because I lived on a federal installation.  That it was legal for me to maintain my guns in my base residence.

When we were packing to leave DC and return to Alaska, I had issues with the way one of the packers was packing my guns.  This woman quietly went outside to use her cell phone.  She called the DC cops complaining about me having guns inside DC.  She reported the fact that I had shotguns, rifles, and pistols in my house.  The DC cops tried to respond, but the Security Police refused to let them on base.  I reported the incident to the the Traffic Management Office (the people overseeing the movers) they were there within 10 minutes with the manager of the moving company.  The woman was fired on the spot, and the rest of the crew was read the riot act by their boss.  I had no more problems with the movers.   
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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2009, 12:59:42 AM »
I weep for the Republic.The Federal power grab which started with Andrew Jackson and accelerated under Lincoln and became a juggernaut under Wilson and Roosevelt has blossomed into a frightening perversity.The Constitution is virtually irrelevant.Courts deciding cases based on case law and international law not Constitutional basis' I am afraid that America attempted suicide last November and if the '10 elections dont substantially reverse things I'm afraid the attempt will have been sucessful.
  I'm 46 years old and the only thing I recognize of American anymore is the geography.States asserting their primacy and sovereignty is a very faint glimmer of hope. I pray they are in deadly ernest but I fear its too little too late. The States have abandoned their rightful place.
The States created the Federal govt. Who has power? States send delegates to Washington, someone tell me how an inferior power can delegate to a superior? When you have an entity which declares itself the sole arbiter of its power it is the functional defination of a tyrrany. I dont care if its benevolent, or if its elected, Is the Federal govt tyrranical? Look around you. Listen to our " representatives"
 We can only blame ourselves. We put them there.We didnt ,or wouldnt, pay attention.Now we are paying for our" lack of vision" as the emperor said in that one Star Wars movie.Hate to reference a movie again, but another line  " And freedom dies with thunderous applause" will be appropriate.Just wait till the State of the Union address...Watch them trip over themselves to touch .the one who wants to " remake America" Not rebuild or restore, but remake. Remake into WHAT? REMEMBER ,WORDS MEAN THINGS!And the press...God help us.
 I think it will get REALLY serious ( and encouraging) when some really stupid Federal law, mandate, etc. comes out and a state rises up and passes an Act of Nullificantion. THEN the gloves will come off and God help us all if that State blinks...
  I've followed politics since I was 13.When Carter( MORON) got elected I knew it wouldn't be good.It wasn't.I've been angry , nervous and disgusted but never frightened.I'm still not frightened.I'm TERRIFIED.
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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2009, 02:18:40 AM »
sourdough , yep DC is bad for guns , seems its being tested . The one saving grace is our permit to carry in Va. superceeds all local law . So in a city like Chesapeake where loaded handguns are outlawed we can carry them .
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