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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2009, 05:19:05 AM »
Shootall:  Yea, the In-Laws hate the fact that the wife and I both carry.  They think we are violent people.  Their view is if someone breaks into your home, give them what they want and they will go away.  They are what I call Sheeple.

 
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« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2009, 05:34:48 AM »
This will definetly push the limits. Even states that have no push to do anything like this, will keep a close eye on how this turns out. It will mean so much more soverign rights to the state.  gypsyman
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« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2009, 06:52:41 AM »
I work in NN alot was there wed. afternoon like everwhere it has some quiet places and some seedy ones i always carry when there .
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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2009, 07:35:31 AM »
Y'all see Georgia's Senate resolution last month? http://www.legis.ga.gov/legis/2009_10/fulltext/sr632.htm

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BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that any Act by the Congress of the United States, Executive Order of the President of the United States of America or Judicial Order by the Judicatories of the United States of America which assumes a power not delegated to the government of the United States of America by the Constitution for the United States of America and which serves to diminish the liberty of the any of the several States or their citizens shall constitute a nullification of the Constitution for the United States of America by the government of the United States of America. Acts which would cause such a nullification include, but are not limited to:
I. Establishing martial law or a state of emergency within one of the States comprising the United States of America without the consent of the legislature of that State.
II. Requiring involuntary servitude, or governmental service other than a draft during a declared war, or pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.
III. Requiring involuntary servitude or governmental service of persons under the age of 18 other than pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.
IV. Surrendering any power delegated or not delegated to any corporation or foreign government.
V. Any act regarding religion; further limitations on freedom of political speech; or further limitations on freedom of the press.
VI. Further infringements on the right to keep and bear arms including prohibitions of type or quantity of arms or ammunition; and
That should any such act of Congress become law or Executive Order or Judicial Order be put into force, all powers previously delegated to the United States of America by the Constitution for the United States shall revert to the several States individually.
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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2009, 08:09:23 AM »
I think the people are getting the word, and are fearing what Obama might be trying in the not too distant future.  They are preparing for the event.  Like one of our legislatures said last week on the radio, in regards to things coming down from the Federal Government.  "We are preparing for the worst, and hoping for the best".  We are backing Gov. Palin, she won't back down, and she is cautious of the Feds.
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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2009, 10:02:02 AM »

  Wait a minute??? I didn't see anything about Tenn passing such a law. This was only Montana. Where are you guys getting this information on the rest of the states?

  OK never mind... I see the links now.

    Thank you.
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« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2009, 10:06:57 AM »
The feds will cut funds sooner or later . It should be interesting.
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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2009, 12:09:43 PM »
That's the way the Feds have kept the states in line before, they cut funding.  Well Montana stood up to them and said cut the funding.  The Feds backed down.  Now Alaskans are wanting to get off the Federal funds kick.  Let them keep their money, we are not going to do certain things anymore.  We need to develop our resources and just ignore the Feds.
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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2009, 12:52:16 PM »
Now here is food for thought. How about when th Feds cut funding for a state, the governor of that state orders all businesses both public and private to send the taxes being withheld for federal income taxes to the state taxing athourity. Then the state can divey up the the money and fund what they see fit. Also they can take the surplus and return it to the taxpayers as a refund. The federal government does not have any money of its own, only the taxes collested from the citacens.
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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2009, 03:29:39 PM »
Quote from: nomosendero on May 07, 2009, 02:13:11 PM
Quote from: Sheila on May 07, 2009, 02:07:44 PM
Hopefully Pennsylvania will have this.

I would like to see every State do it but PA, I don't see that happening. In the past elections the Libs running for office can drag the PA voters down a gravel road & if they can still crawl, they will vote for them. They can be accused of clinging to Bibles & guns, Senators can call them stupid Rednecks, whatever, it makes no difference. I have been watching in UTTER AMAZEMENT!!!!

I don't know about that, I think there is hope for Pennsylvania.
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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2009, 04:40:47 PM »
Quote from: Sheila on May 08, 2009, 03:29:39 PM
Quote from: nomosendero on May 07, 2009, 02:13:11 PM
Quote from: Sheila on May 07, 2009, 02:07:44 PM
Hopefully Pennsylvania will have this.

I would like to see every State do it but PA, I don't see that happening. In the past elections the Libs running for office can drag the PA voters down a gravel road & if they can still crawl, they will vote for them. They can be accused of clinging to Bibles & guns, Senators can call them stupid Rednecks, whatever, it makes no difference. I have been watching in UTTER AMAZEMENT!!!!

I don't know about that, I think there is hope for Pennsylvania.

I would like to think so, it would be better for all of us, but the track record in recent years does not look good.
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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #41 on: May 09, 2009, 02:59:41 AM »
Wouldn't be the first time that states pushed back against the Feds. Ohio did it back in the '70's with the helmet law. Feds said they would hold back highway funds if they didn't keep the helmet law into effect. Ohio came back with, we pay you more than we get back, so therefore, we will keep our highway funds, and not send any in. Well, no helmet law. States are going realize, they have more rights and power than they know about. It's just that the Feds like to blackmail and bamboozle, and make them think they have the power. gypsyman
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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #42 on: May 09, 2009, 05:08:45 AM »
Quote from: Sourdough on May 08, 2009, 08:09:23 AM
I think the people are getting the word, and are fearing what Obama might be trying in the not too distant future.  They are preparing for the event.  Like one of our legislatures said last week on the radio, in regards to things coming down from the Federal Government.  "We are preparing for the worst, and hoping for the best".  We are backing Gov. Palin, she won't back down, and she is cautious of the Feds.

You are very lucky to have a Gov. like Palin. She has a lot of grit, and thats what I like about her. On the other hand we have a, want to be dictator for govener here in PA. (Rendell)  Talk about a stark contrast between the two.  Its mostly the high populations in Philly and Pittsburgh that keep voting these comunists into office.
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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2009, 05:50:44 AM »
I'm still waiting for a little constructive information on this from our lawyer members!
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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #44 on: May 09, 2009, 06:49:57 AM »
Quote from: billy_56081 on May 09, 2009, 05:50:44 AM
I'm still waiting for a little constructive information on this from our lawyer members!

I don't have any idea how the SCOTUS will rule on the case.  Historically interstate commerce was very broad, I'm sure you knew that.  Starting with US v. Morrison the court started backing away from the most absurd claims. 

But Federal law already regulates suppressors, so that law could be calleneged and this new law would have nothing to do with it, assuming that Montana didn't have its own law against them.  Some Montana resident needs to build a silencer for in-state use, and get arrested by the Feds... 

Just because Montana says something is legal doesn't make it so.  California's pro-marijuana laws already have this problem.  The real question would be what level of enforcement the Feds would press, and what the SCOTUS would say.  I wouldn't hold my breath for a good result, but I certainly am not an expert in Con Law.
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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2009, 11:14:47 AM »
I cant wait to hear what the Hip Hop Hitler will say about this as it is an obvious slap right in is morally superior face.
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« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2009, 11:52:23 AM »
"hip hop Hitler" now that is a classic Lakota. I will be using that from now on.  ;D
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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2009, 04:55:36 PM »
Quote from: lakota on May 10, 2009, 11:14:47 AM
I cant wait to hear what the Hip Hop Hitler will say about this as it is an obvious slap right in is morally superior face.

I agree, that's great. Definitely made me laugh  ;D
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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2009, 05:24:16 PM »
glad to be of service ;D
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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #49 on: May 11, 2009, 07:01:59 AM »
Quote from: billy_56081 on May 09, 2009, 05:50:44 AM
I'm still waiting for a little constructive information on this from our lawyer members!

Oh give me a break!   ::)
I don't live in Montana, and
Nobody's paid me yet, so
I don't have an opinion...  8)

Everybodies always lookin for free legal advice...  ::)

Besides, this is much to serious an issue for me to become involved in...  :-\

Hi-ebber, and day always be a hi-ebber... I can't pass up a chance to venture something!   ;D

So FWIW and based on my often faulty recollection, remember what Roosevelt (FDR) said when the Supreme Court ruled against him on a constitutonal issue.  He said, "The Supreme Court has made it's decision, now let them enforce it!"  And he did what he wanted to.

Nixon, when ordered to turn over some tapes, did so when he could have pushed the executive privilage issue.  He turned them over because he wanted to avoid a Constitutional crisis.

I don't think this president is worried about a "Constitutional crisis" and will do whatever fits his agenda, riding over States Rights on the phantom "Commerce Clause" as has been done by the Feds for a long time.  Not that that's much effort since most believe the Federal Gov't is and should be supreme.  That being the arch Constitutional criminal A. Lincoln's legacy.

But, as I said, I really don't have an opinion...  ;D
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« Reply #50 on: May 11, 2009, 07:13:58 AM »
The wording of the law being pushed through in Alaska says that when the Feds charge the first person the state attorney General is obligated and will take over and defend the state law to the fullest extent.  Rog
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« Reply #51 on: May 11, 2009, 09:18:27 AM »
Good for Montana and Montanan's. More states should follow in the same foot steps. My ques is you will see states like Idaho, Wyoming, Texas amd Alaska follow.

Our federal government is trampling all over our rights. They are suppose to be the ultimate protector but their massive failures in this area will/should lead to more of this type of state laws.

I can't wait till the clowns over at MSNBC get a hold of this one. They will call the gov and Montanan's a bunch of right wing extremisits for passing a law that essentially threatens the feds. They will do this while they hail Mayor Newsome and the rest of the Mayors that violate federal law everyday with sanctuary city laws that protect illegals from deportation and even protect illegals wanted on federal murder charges. What a joke, but watch and see.
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Re: REVOLUTIONARY....Montana Law Signed
« Reply #52 on: May 12, 2009, 04:20:00 AM »
Sourdough;
  DC sounds like it should be called, "Moscow on the Potomac"..all those snooper and informers around sounds like the "good old days" of the KGB...
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« Reply #53 on: May 12, 2009, 04:29:53 AM »
Quote from: Sourdough on May 11, 2009, 07:13:58 AM
The wording of the law being pushed through in Alaska says that when the Feds charge the first person the state attorney General is obligated and will take over and defend the state law to the fullest extent.  Rog

Sourdough - does your Atty General have the cahones to make the stand for the State?   It will be a historical moment should it ever arrive. 
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