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Re: GOA or NRA or both?
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2009, 09:49:44 AM »
 

Pratt is today close to the extremist Constitution Party and its radical theology.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=365



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If Pratt is close to the Constitution party, and it's patriotic theology, this is like placing a huge star next to his name, and the GOA.

Anyone on the hit list of the Southern Poverty Law Center..........Is OK with me, and should be every gun owner in America.

Put me on your team GB, and I won't waste my time trying to debate this any longer with RH.
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« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2009, 11:02:26 AM »
Well, it's evident there are long standing hard feelings on this issue.

Bill you've said what your against but for my benifit would you share what you think is the solution?

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« Reply #32 on: May 09, 2009, 12:07:07 PM »

 In my opinion the NRA wastes way too much money. They are like the gov't they claim to fight.

  I know that with GOA on the other hand about 15 years ago I called their offices one morning at about 07:55 and a man answered the phone. It was Larry Pratt himself. That right there said a lot to me. The man doesn't think he's too big to answer the phone.

  Then several years ago I was at an Expo in Orlando where GOA had a booth set up. There was Larry shaking hands and asking for membership. Late on Sat. I had something I wanted to discuss with him so I asked him if he would be there on Sunday. His response was, right after church. Sure enough about 12:30 here he came back to his booth.

  These are both my personal experiences, not something of a friend of a friend.
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« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2009, 02:43:38 PM »
I guess the real question in my mind is how could a orginization, that represents a special interest group, that has 150,000 members effectivally loby in Washington DC. All that does is divide gun owners. If we want to win we need to pick one group to represent us. For me thats the NRA.

Yes the NRA has a few problems but I don't believe the answer is dividing off into several smaller groups. Get a Life membership then you can attend meetings and vote as well as hold office. That is the way to fix the problems with the NRA, not spliting off into small ineffective groups.

Larry may be a nice guy and committed to our second ammentment rights but his group will never be heard because of it's small size.

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Re: GOA or NRA or both?
« Reply #34 on: May 09, 2009, 03:45:20 PM »
I guess the real question in my mind is how could a orginization, that represents a special interest group, that has 150,000 members effectivally loby in Washington DC. All that does is divide gun owners. If we want to win we need to pick one group to represent us. For me thats the NRA.

Yes the NRA has a few problems but I don't believe the answer is dividing off into several smaller groups. Get a Life membership then you can attend meetings and vote as well as hold office. That is the way to fix the problems with the NRA, not spliting off into small ineffective groups.

Larry may be a nice guy and committed to our second ammentment rights but his group will never be heard because of it's small size.

Regards,

I don't think belonging to as many groups as you can with worthy causes is dividing!
but If you think NRA is the only voice for gun owners, IMO you are mistaken.

The GOA is just one of many gun Org's other than the NRA doing a tremendous amount of good for the people of this Republic (Not only gun owners)

If you think the NRA has clout! Just think how much clout we would have in DC if every member of the NRA also belonged to the GOA .

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« Reply #35 on: May 09, 2009, 04:08:43 PM »
I don't think they are the only voice. I do believe they are the most effective. I looked into the GOA but decided it was not for me. I do belong to other hunting and firearms groups. However IMO the NRA is the loudest voice on this issue in america today. Thats why I am urging gunowners to join. Like I said I've even bought memberships for several friends.

If you like the GOA, thats great, buy a membership for someone that would like to join but can't afford the fee.

An't it great to have the freedom of and opinion............Regards,
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Re: GOA or NRA or both?
« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2009, 04:30:40 PM »


Pratt is today close to the extremist Constitution Party and its radical theology.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=365





If Pratt is close to the Constitution party, and it's patriotic theology, this is like placing a huge star next to his name, and the GOA.

Anyone on the hit list of the Southern Poverty Law Center..........Is OK with me, and should be every gun owner in America.

Put me on your team GB, and I won't waste my time trying to debate this any longer with RH.


I am still waiting for my answer to my question.
" name me one thing the GOA single handily accomplished on there own?"

You want to be a member of the GOA, be my guest, but don't do it and put down the NRA in the process. Also if Larry Pratt and his shin head, white supremacist associations are something you approve of, it is your call. You tell me I never done research on the GOA, it is you that needs to do some research.

But don't expect me to blow roses up your back side, and say the GOA is great.
Sorry you no longer wish to debate this with me, you are loosing an opportunity to learn something in my opinion.
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« Reply #37 on: May 09, 2009, 05:13:38 PM »
Kinda hard for them to do anything "on their own" cuz every time they start something the NRA will jump in IF they see it's working and try to take credit. Most of what has been successful has been started by GOA and only if they see it's gonna happen will the NRA join in after the fact.

Right now the NRA is the single worst thing going for gun owners in the US. If it disappeared over night we'd be ten times better off.


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« Reply #38 on: May 09, 2009, 05:23:10 PM »
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« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2009, 02:07:02 AM »
Kinda hard for them to do anything "on their own" cuz every time they start something the NRA will jump in IF they see it's working and try to take credit. Most of what has been successful has been started by GOA and only if they see it's gonna happen will the NRA join in after the fact.

Right now the NRA is the single worst thing going for gun owners in the US. If it disappeared over night we'd be ten times better off.

Well GB, maybe I'm an optimist:

But if GOA points the NRA to the correct battle, I see some good synergism between 'em!
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« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2009, 11:01:54 AM »

Right now the NRA is the single worst thing going for gun owners in the US. If it disappeared over night we'd be ten times better off.
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I think GB has done what I and others have done, and that is to look and see what the NRA has actually done for gun owners vs what they have compromised away with bills that restrict our rights.

I think we should look at what they DO, and not just what they say!


In 2007, the NRA  joined forces with the very people who would love to disarm American's -- the Brady Campaign. Who helped craft H.R. 2640? Why Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) and FORMER NRA BOARD MEMBER Rep. John Dingell (D-MI).

The NRA currently has on its board of directors, Joaquin Jackson, who was caught on video stating the mere civilians shouldn't be able to own magazines that hold more than 5 rounds.

And  on CNN Glen Beck show, the chief lobbyist for the NRA Chris Cox publicly stated that the NRA has never supported fully automatic firearms.

Why would the NRA keep surrendering on every piece of legislation that comes down the pike? Perhaps they forgot about the “shall not be abridged" part of the Amendment and think it says 'compromised away'.

1968 Gun Control Act and the NRA

Plus to be honest, the only reason there was the a 1968 Gun Control Act is because the NRA supported its creation. Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute (SAAMI) actually drafted the 1968 bill and the NRA endorsed it.
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1968 General Franklin Orth, Executive Vice President of NRA, testifies before Congress in favor of the Gun Control Act (GCA'68) that "[NRA does] not think that any sane American, who calls himself an American, can object to placing into this bill the instrument which killed the president of the United States," /2/ (a ban on the mail-order sale of firearms). His statement of NRA support generates heated opposition from the (presumably insane) portion of the NRA membership, creating split between "sportsmen" and "hardliners."

These are cold, hard facts, not some made up dribble to discredit the NRA. If the GOA or any other gun rights group did the same, I would have nothing to do with them.
I for one do not want my Grand children s rights compromised away!

We know from history what happens to a free people when they are disarmed.
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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2009, 11:11:41 AM »
Kinda hard for them to do anything "on their own" cuz every time they start something the NRA will jump in IF they see it's working and try to take credit. Most of what has been successful has been started by GOA and only if they see it's gonna happen will the NRA join in after the fact.

Right now the NRA is the single worst thing going for gun owners in the US. If it disappeared over night we'd be ten times better off.

Well GB, maybe I'm an optimist:

But if GOA points the NRA to the correct battle, I see some good synergism between 'em!

You either misunderstood what I said or the facts of the situation.

The GOA isn't pointing them to any correct battles. What is happening is that when the GOA or any other pro gun group does something for gun owners if and only if and when they are on the verge of pulling it off does the NRA jump in and try to claim credit for what others have done. Until them they fight tooth and nail to prevent it. Only when it is inevitable that it will come to pass do they finally sign on to take credit.

Folks you can be as blind as you want to the truth but the NRA is NOT a friend to gun owners of that I have no doubt. They have become just another huge political machine taking in money to pay huge salaries to the folks running the show and have forgotten what they are supposed to be doing. Kinda like congress.


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« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2009, 12:18:23 PM »
Well Graybeard, at least you have nw_hunter convinced.

 If the NRA folded up as you suggested, there would not be any viable pro-gun group out there. The GOA is a joke. I would rather send my money to my local NRA backed Delaware Sportsman Association. I know for a fact they have been instrumental in the State of Delaware to pass pro-gun issues .

The GOA will never see a dime of my money.
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« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2009, 01:26:12 PM »
Redhawk1, Don't give up on the NRA too easy. There was a time I lost confidence during the 70s. When Heston was elected president I really liked the new direction the NRA took. I've been very happy with them since.

It's fine to support your state orginaziation but we also need a national voice. You know the GOA is not loud enought to help much. At least your putting your money where your mouth is. I haven't heard any of the nay-sayers of the NRA say they put any $ into anything. And it takes $ and membership to win this battle.

I find myself suprised, but I guess were on the same team. I'll continue to support the NRA and not just in voice. Regards,
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« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2009, 01:57:03 AM »
GOA: do you ever see or hear them mentioned by the anti-gun media or politians? NRA: How often do you see or hear them mentioned by the same people? That single thing tells me how much influence each organization has on preserving our second amendment rights.

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« Reply #45 on: May 11, 2009, 03:17:17 AM »
Redhawk1, Don't give up on the NRA too easy. There was a time I lost confidence during the 70s. When Heston was elected president I really liked the new direction the NRA took. I've been very happy with them since.

It's fine to support your state orginaziation but we also need a national voice. You know the GOA is not loud enought to help much. At least your putting your money where your mouth is. I haven't heard any of the nay-sayers of the NRA say they put any $ into anything. And it takes $ and membership to win this battle.

I find myself suprised, but I guess were on the same team. I'll continue to support the NRA and not just in voice. Regards,

I have no intention on leaving the NRA, I am a Life Endowment member, and proud as hell of that. I am also a Life member on my local NRA backed Delaware Sportsman Association. I give money to both, and support both. My post was directed to not giving the GOA a dime.
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« Reply #46 on: May 11, 2009, 04:37:34 AM »
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Dang Sam hell must be freazin over, we been agreeing quite a bit latley.

Lol, I don't know about hell freezing over, but in times like these you tend to put aside your difference to get the job done ;)

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« Reply #47 on: May 11, 2009, 10:14:17 AM »
there are things about the NRA i don't care  for like some of ya'll . There are things they do well and i like it when they do . I would suggest all of ya'll do as i do , i will support them until i can do better either myself or find a group that is doing better on the scale they operate at .
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« Reply #48 on: May 11, 2009, 03:26:08 PM »
BOTH. NRA has been making me mad with their panic tactics trying to drive their fund raisers with  panic tactics. hr45 for example they know it was shuffled off to committee to die and will never see any thing close to a vote but they insins on pushing it like it was moving thru the hose on an express rail.
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« Reply #49 on: May 12, 2009, 02:31:26 AM »
BOTH. NRA has been making me mad with their panic tactics trying to drive their fund raisers with  panic tactics. hr45 for example they know it was shuffled off to committee to die and will never see any thing close to a vote but they insins on pushing it like it was moving thru the hose on an express rail.

If you don't think your gun rights are not in jeopardy, you are fooling yourself. There is no panic tactics about it.

In Delaware the dumb Democraps here elected the most anti-gun Governor. He wants to do away with concealed carry, go to one gun a month and a few other anti-gun agendas. He has already met with the Brady campaign, if that tells you anything.  The NRA is already working on these issues with local NRA backed groups.  The NRA is in constant battles, and HR 45 is not the only issue out there. I think people cherry pick the NRA apart. Instead of focusing on one issue or one State, look at the over all picture.

Anyone can pick any group apart.
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« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2009, 01:05:15 AM »
I understand what you are saying and I stayed a member for years not liking all the mail but finally just did not rejoin one year.
It must raise them $ or they would not do it but it seems all the $ spent on printing and postage could be put to better use.


Oh, it raises them money, sure enough.  But the money that it raises in the form of membership dues is largely spent on supporting the bureaucracy of the organization and NOT on the fight against anti-second ammendment legislation.

The money that does go into the fight is the money that is donated to the NRA's Insitute for Legislative Action, also expressed as NRA / ILA.  You can donate to the NRA / ILA without being a member of the NRA.

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« Reply #51 on: May 14, 2009, 01:42:12 AM »
I understand what you are saying and I stayed a member for years not liking all the mail but finally just did not rejoin one year.
It must raise them $ or they would not do it but it seems all the $ spent on printing and postage could be put to better use.


Oh, it raises them money, sure enough.  But the money that it raises in the form of membership dues is largely spent on supporting the bureaucracy of the organization and NOT on the fight against anti-second ammendment legislation.

The money that does go into the fight is the money that is donated to the NRA's Insitute for Legislative Action, also expressed as NRA / ILA.  You can donate to the NRA / ILA without being a member of the NRA.

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The money spent on your dues just barely covers the magazine you receive for a year. Any large organization has bureaucracy, that is how any "BIG"  organization is run. Without the NRA there would not be any  NRA / ILA

Sure you don't have to be a member, and you can send money to the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action.
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« Reply #52 on: May 14, 2009, 01:56:23 AM »

I think GB has done what I and others have done, and that is to look and see what the NRA has actually done for gun owners vs what they have compromised away with bills that restrict our rights.

I think we should look at what they DO, and not just what they say!


I couldn't agree more with the above.

I was an NRA member from 1976 to 2006.  Aside from a year spent in Reno, Nevada, I was a resident of California during that time.

My dad is a Life Member and has been for over 20 years.  He's one of those guys who thinks Wayne La Piere can do no wrong, and thinks that every corresepondence with La Piere's name on it is truth, triple distilled, which need not be doubted or subjected to scrutiny.  Because my dad is a Life Member, he gets to participate in the NRA's internal elections.  Because of that, he gets mailers and phone calls from cadidates.

Several years ago, he got a mailer from a candidate known to to oppose Mr. La Piere.  In the mailer, there was a document billed as a true and correct copy of an internal policy memo, in which the rationale for writing off California as a "lost cause" was detailed.  It had little to do with freedom or the preservation of liberty, and everything to do with self-preservation of the organization.  The rationale behind the policy was that projected revenue from members residing in California would steadily decline, due to continual urbanization  In other words, if the copy of the memo was a genuine representation of an actual document, the NRA wasn't willing to concede California as a lost cause because of present membership, but over some perception of decline at some future date.

My dad wrote this stuff of as anti-Wayne mudslinging.  I didn't want to believe it either.

The problem, though, is that memo was supposedly drafted shortly after California instituted a manditory waiting period for all firearm purchases.  The timing is key.

While I was a member of the NRA, the State of California adopted:

1) The aforementioned maditory waiting period.
2) A law banning the private transfer of firearms between individuals, mandating that all transfers of ownership go through a licensed dealer and be subject to the manditory waiting period and a tax in the form of fees for Dealer Record of Sale.
3) Manditory handgun proficiency training for prospective handgun purchasers.
4) A law requiring that handguns pass a Departmen of Justice(DOJ) "drop test" prior to being offered for sale in California
5) A law requiring guns kept in the home to be secured by either a DOJ approved locking device or in a DOJ approved cabinet or safe.  The law allows the DOJ to "list" or "de-list" locks, cabinets, and safes at their discreation.  My once listed cabinet got de-listed, forcing me to either back out of the sale, by a new cabinet before picking up my gun, or lie on the application.  I chose to back out of the sale.
6) A requirement that purchasers either: A. fill out an affidavit indicating the make and model of gun cabinet or safe used for storage, which is then compared by the transferring dealer to a list of DOJ approved locking devices, B. bring a DOJ approved locking device with them, or C. purchase a DOJ approved locking device from the transferring dealer immedately prior to the consumation of the transfer at the end of the waiting period.
7) A renewed Assault Rifle ban
8) A high capacity magazine ban
9) A ban on arms chambered for .50 BMG
10) A law, rarely enforced, which essentially prohibits the simulateous transport of firearms and ammunition in Jeeps, SUVS, station wagons, and hatchbacks, owing to their lack of a seperate cargo area divorced from the passenger compartment.

And they did virtually all of that after the NRA was purported by the aforementioned candidate for internal office to have "written off California as a lost cause."

While I have not been a member of the NRA for three years now, I have continued to contribute to the NRA Institute for Legislative Action, as you do not need to be a member to send them a donation.  I have considered re-joining, and a couple of weeks ago, I almost did exactly that.  I had the application all filled out, the check all filled out, with both stuffed into a sealed and stamped envelope, ready to go.  In fact, I was on my way to the post office to mail the thing when the phone rang and I stopped to answer it before heading out the door.

It was the NRA.  The girl representing them was nice and polite, and asked me to listen to a recorded message from Wayne La Piere that was vitally important.  I held on the line and listed to Wayne prattle on about the imminent passage of H.R. 45, which would surely happen if I didn't join up right then and there. 

The problem with that, of course, is that H.R. 45 was dead as a doornail when I heard Wayne's message.  Now, I fully expect it to come back after the mid term elections in an even more restrictive form, but he wasn't talking about it coming back.  He was talking about it being a present reality. 

After the recording, the nice girl on the phone asked me if I was for or against many of the items on my "ten worst list" above.  After I answered, she went on to say that the NRA is the only organization out there fighting against the passage of such laws on a local, state, and federal level. Then, she tried to clinch the deal with, "So, can I count on you to join the fight for freedom today?"

All of those things that she said the NRA would fight for on a local, state, and national levelwere the reality of my experience in exercising my second ammendment rights in California.  The promise to prevent these things from happening suddenly had a hollow ring to it.

I politely told the girl on the phone that I actually was on my way to the post office to mail in my membership application.  I didn't tell her that I changed my mind and decided not to go. 

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« Reply #53 on: May 14, 2009, 02:10:46 AM »
I understand what you are saying and I stayed a member for years not liking all the mail but finally just did not rejoin one year.
It must raise them $ or they would not do it but it seems all the $ spent on printing and postage could be put to better use.


Oh, it raises them money, sure enough.  But the money that it raises in the form of membership dues is largely spent on supporting the bureaucracy of the organization and NOT on the fight against anti-second ammendment legislation.

The money that does go into the fight is the money that is donated to the NRA's Insitute for Legislative Action, also expressed as NRA / ILA.  You can donate to the NRA / ILA without being a member of the NRA.

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The money spent on your dues just barely covers the magazine you receive for a year. Any large organization has bureaucracy, that is how any "BIG"  organization is run. Without the NRA there would not be any  NRA / ILA

Sure you don't have to be a member, and you can send money to the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action.

You're probably right about the dues barely covering the magazine, and I am very well aware of how a big organization is run.  I am also well aware that the NRA/ILA is a relatively small cog in the NRA machine.  I don't think the machine that the NRA is needs to be any more bloated and fat than it is to keep the little cog of the Institute for Legislative action turning.

Even if the NRA did dissapear, who's to say that something leaner, meaner, less duplicitous, and more effective organization wouldn't rise up to take its place?

It won't happen, because the NRA is too big to dissappear any time soon.

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Re: GOA or NRA or both?
« Reply #54 on: May 14, 2009, 11:45:29 PM »
NPR "Morning Edition" Thursday reported that Demos don't have the votes in the Senate to pass gun control measures.

Despite an "AWB" being on the agenda of gun grabbers, Obama, etc. Carolyn McCarthy and Diane Feinstein -- liberal leaning AWB advocates generally -- admit that "Gun control is a losing issue with Democrats. As a party we're beginning to realize that it's a 'non-starter'."

Even with a filibuster-proof majority in both houses, there are enough Democratic supporters of RKBA to block gun-control legislation. Additionally, Demos are learning that the NRA is a powerful lobby. "The biggest, most influential lobby on Capitol Hill," notes Feinstein. "You don't oppose the NRA and then go on to win elections."

NPR further notes that since the November election, gun sales have risen astronomically as shooters "stock up" with firearms and ammo in advance of any potential gun control legislation.

(What they didn't report is the current increase in NRA membership.)
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« Reply #55 on: May 18, 2009, 12:35:56 PM »
If the money i spend in dues barley cover the mag. they need a new printer . Check out the retained funds and other things of value . ITs in the millions , where did it come from ? US !
They do a job for gun owners and are worth supporting but don't sugar coat it , they are big  big business in spades !
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« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2009, 02:31:59 AM »
If the money i spend in dues barley cover the mag. they need a new printer . Check out the retained funds and other things of value . ITs in the millions , where did it come from ? US !
They do a job for gun owners and are worth supporting but don't sugar coat it , they are big  big business in spades !

So what is your point? Who else is doing the job? I am not sugar coating anything, they make there money from donations. They are offering free memberships right now. Just how much do you think they are making off that?

Yes your yearly plan of $35.00 does not cover the cost to print and distribute your magazine. It takes more than a printing press, it takes editors and writers as well to run a gun rag.

I personally give several big donations to the NRA and ILA every year, even thought I have paid my Life membership off right away. So nothing is sugar coated as you put it,

Second thing I would like to cover. Graybeard said the NRA jumps in when other groups start on a pro-gun agenda. Sure they do, that is there job as the NRA, (Pro-gun issues).  The part Graybeard leaves off is, if the NRA did not jump in, nothing would be accomplished. The GOA and other pro-gun organization just don't have the clout to press the issues or the backing of millions of members and lobbyists. .
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« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2009, 05:37:23 AM »
If the money i spend in dues barley cover the mag. they need a new printer . Check out the retained funds and other things of value . ITs in the millions , where did it come from ? US !
They do a job for gun owners and are worth supporting but don't sugar coat it ,

( They are big  big business in spades !)


You got that right!

Just looking at an American Hunter Magazine, and it's nothing more than a catalog. The same reason I quit all the outdoor publications.I refuse to buy a catalog!
Of the 80 pages two thirds are half or full page ads for such giants as Yamaha,Ruger, Marlin, Benelli and a host of others. Think perhaps they contribute to the printing of the rag?

Like the man said!........Big business in spades!
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« Reply #58 on: May 19, 2009, 08:17:13 AM »
If the money i spend in dues barley cover the mag. they need a new printer . Check out the retained funds and other things of value . ITs in the millions , where did it come from ? US !
They do a job for gun owners and are worth supporting but don't sugar coat it ,

( They are big  big business in spades !)


You got that right!

Just looking at an American Hunter Magazine, and it's nothing more than a catalog. The same reason I quit all the outdoor publications.I refuse to buy a catalog!
Of the 80 pages two thirds are half or full page ads for such giants as Yamaha,Ruger, Marlin, Benelli and a host of others. Think perhaps they contribute to the printing of the rag?

Like the man said!........Big business in spades!


Give it a rest, your argument is weak and lame.  Look in any gun rag, they are all chalked full of advertising. How do you think they get money?

Trying to explain this to you is like talking to a class of 2nd graders. But I thing they my actually understand.

If you think the NRA is just about the magazine, you don't have a clue, and your post show's just that. .

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« Reply #59 on: May 19, 2009, 08:55:13 AM »
your reply is weak and lame , I said they do alot , 800 lb gor... etc. But and thats a big but they make a fortune so get over it
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